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  • Schmidt
    2014-02-04 10:49:00 PM
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    NPR, February 4, 2014: Watch The Creationism Vs. Evolution Debate: Bill Nye And Ken Ham

    "Does it damage children to teach them biblical creationism? What are the costs of denying evolution, one of biology's core tenets?

    Those are the questions being asked and answered Tuesday night, in a live debate between bestselling Christian author Ken Ham and Emmy Award-winning educator Bill Nye ("the Science Guy")."

    I saw an excerpt on Lawrence.

    This is for those that are really interested in a debate between two of the premier outspoken people in their respective fields.
  • L.A. Citizen
    2014-02-04 11:12:06 PM
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    Schmidt Wrote: NPR, February 4, 2014: Watch The Creationism Vs. Evolution Debate: Bill Nye And Ken Ham

    "Does it damage children to teach them biblical creationism? What are the costs of denying evolution, one of biology's core tenets?

    Those are the questions being asked and answered Tuesday night, in a live debate between bestselling Christian author Ken Ham and Emmy Award-winning educator Bill Nye ("the Science Guy")."

    I saw an excerpt on Lawrence.

    This is for those that are really interested in a debate between two of the premier outspoken people in their respective fields.
    I'm sorry...is that what they call it now??? creationism??? when a square peg fails to enter a circle.....simply changing the name of a circle still makes it a circle
  • Schmidt
    2014-02-05 12:24:33 PM
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    On second thoughts it was a mistake for Bill Nye to debate Ken Ham at all because it elevates creationism to a respectable level on the science platform that it does not deserve. Creationism is something that can be debated in religious forums and churches...whether the earth is 6,000 years old, whether man and dinosaurs co-existed, whether Noah's Ark saved biological diversity in animals some 4,500 years ago during the great flood that also conveniently created the Grand Canyon...but for Nye the science man to debate Ken Ham on these issues and other creationist issues at all is a win for Ham and a loss for Nye and the science community.

    One cannot debate any aspect of religion with a person that has 100 percent certitude in his/her convictions. Viewers will filter what they hear, and it won't change anyone's minds one iota. But I suppose the debate made money.
  • L.A. Citizen
    2014-02-05 01:31:15 PM
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    You can't debate religion with anyone.....it would be like arguing who's a better super hero. Super Man or Spider Man.....Both are fictional but some will debate this issue. You can only debate issues that are found in reality
  • Schmidt
    2014-02-05 03:02:18 PM
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    L.A. Citizen --

    Yes you are right, and I won't demonize anyone for their beliefs argued within the borders of their religion or religions. I just don't see a place for them in a science forum or science class in school. A religion class, yes.

    For example, just browsing the website Christian Chat, I note that there is a lively discussion going on about Noah's Ark. Actually I read many of their posts...good questions raised by many believers amongst themselves...but few answers.
  • L.A. Citizen
    2014-02-05 03:37:28 PM
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    Schmidt Wrote: L.A. Citizen --

    Yes you are right, and I won't demonize anyone for their beliefs argued within the borders of their religion or religions. I just don't see a place for them in a science forum or science class in school. A religion class, yes.

    For example, just browsing the website Christian Chat, I note that there is a lively discussion going on about Noah's Ark. Actually I read many of their posts...good questions raised by many believers amongst themselves...but few answers.
    I became an atheist at a very young age...on my own. At ten years old I found it to be fiction then. It's hard understanding how functioning, intelligent people actually buy-in to this nonsense. I demonize any person that has the potential to affect my life.....and these maniacs are sure making a run at it in our politics....I don't respect lies being told to me from anyone,,,,even if you believe the lies yourself. That person is a threat by the poison that can be spread to another confused individual.

    Any time religion is brought up around me I tell that individual to shut-the- $^%#- up. These weak, fearful people not accepting that death is final. Fear is the origin of religion.....this is why it won't go away
  • pr
    2014-02-05 05:04:32 PM
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    LA - Amen
  • eternal flame
    2014-02-05 08:59:58 PM
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    Hi Schmidt: Really good topic. I got the link to "Bill Nye the Science Guy" -- & tried to listen to the whole debate. It was interesting, but did not even approach the detail & intensity it could have generated. I think they were both trying to be too "polite" & so they wouldn't say all the things they could have. -- No hair pulling, or shouting like at the Scopes Trial (about teaching Evolution in the schools). That was a REAL TRIAL, & they even made a movie about that, starring Spencer Tracey. In that old movie, you can hear the very same ideas & arguments about teaching kids evolution, that they were arguing about (in court) 88 yrs ago,-- & that right-wing GOP are still arguing about today.

    **UPDATE: This famous **REAL TRIAL** was in 1925, -- called the "Scopes Monkey Trial"

    The defendant was John T. Scopes, (a science & math teacher) who was sued for daring
    to teach "evolution" in a TN high school, (since they said it's an unproven hypothesis).

    The (prosecutor) lawyer was Wm Jennings Bryan, 3 times candidate for US President.

    The (defense) lawyer was Clarence Darrow (ACLU), very famous for his intellect & wit.

    This (1925) trial was "radio" broadcast all over the USA, to a very enthusiastic audience.
    All newsprint media avidly covered every angle, every participant, & every word spoken.

    **There was a subsequent "movie" about that historical episode in American History, which
    was called "Inherit the Wind" -- (1960) -- starring Spencer Tracey.
  • TJ
    2014-02-05 11:58:21 PM
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    Schmidt Wrote: L.A. Citizen --

    Yes you are right, and I won't demonize anyone for their beliefs argued within the borders of their religion or religions. I just don't see a place for them in a science forum or science class in school. A religion class, yes.

    For example, just browsing the website Christian Chat, I note that there is a lively discussion going on about Noah's Ark. Actually I read many of their posts...good questions raised by many believers amongst themselves...but few answers.
    Yes your previous comment was correct in that for Bill Nye to have debated - gave creationism too much credit. Yet someone starts a religious topic and it goes on forever and ever and ever. I think the only way to make hose threads go away is to stop replying to them. I wish others had more ability to leave it alone.

    A friend of mine recently spoke of Noah's Ark. He's a skeptic of many things. His comment was to build a ship large enough to hold 2 of every animal (and supplies to feed them) would be impossible to make out of wood. That's why the old navy ships built by England, Spain, etc. never got nearly as large as todays ships made of steel.

    Wow, I just went back and read the Ark comments from the link. Excellent questions. Good thing logic isn't needed only faith. 7 or 7 pairs of the clean animals. Damn, that makes my point even more. I thought it was just 2 of each animal.
  • L.A. Citizen
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    TONY JOHNSON

    I disagree with you about religious topics going away in that you must know your enemy. f you look back in history everything wrong with this world is connected somewhere with religion....everything.......Welcome these topics so that you can see what you're up against
  • RanmaMOJ
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    LA, care to provide examples of your claim?

    RanmaMOJ
  • L.A. Citizen
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    RanmaMOJ Wrote: LA, care to provide examples of your claim?

    RanmaMOJ
    Imperialism...racism...genocide.....need any more examples
  • RanmaMOJ
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    RanmaMOJ Wrote: LA, care to provide examples of your claim?

    RanmaMOJ
    Imperialism...racism...genocide.....need any more examples
    Yes, since imperialism is politically based and racism have to do with believing one race is better than other. Genocide is trying to kill of everyone of a particular racial, political, or cultural group. All of those can have multiple religions in them. Sorry, none of your examples (which are more concepts than historical examples) meet the criteria you set forth. So I'll make it easier. Please list historical examples.

    RanmaMOJ
  • eternal flame
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    I finally got back to "update" my previous post & add the real facts of the "Scopes Monkey Trial" (1925) that tried to stop the teaching of Evolution in the high schools in TN. (The trial took place 88 yrs ago, but has never convinced the GOP yet: ) I think that article is located about 5 articles back before this one. So you can go back THERE to get the details. (That movie is a real treasure).

    Other than that, RELIGION is always, & always will be Controversial, because there are at least 20 world religions now, & they are always competing against each other. But MANY of them seem to TRY to promote Peace & Love, & Forgiveness. Some demand complete Austerity, in order to be in compliance. Others, like modern GOP "fundamentalist" churches, actually teach that if you are godly, you will be extremely prosperous, & you will achieve great wealth. However, their Ayn Rand philosophy promotes selfish greed, & contempt for the poor. IS IT ANY WONDER we can never all simply agree? Let's just hope that the "good" religions will outnumber the "bad" ones, & that you can still tell the difference. --- AMEN.
  • Dutch
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: L.A. Citizen --

    Yes you are right, and I won't demonize anyone for their beliefs argued within the borders of their religion or religions. I just don't see a place for them in a science forum or science class in school. A religion class, yes.

    For example, just browsing the website Christian Chat, I note that there is a lively discussion going on about Noah's Ark. Actually I read many of their posts...good questions raised by many believers amongst themselves...but few answers.
    I became an atheist at a very young age...on my own. At ten years old I found it to be fiction then. It's hard understanding how functioning, intelligent people actually buy-in to this nonsense. I demonize any person that has the potential to affect my life.....and these maniacs are sure making a run at it in our politics....I don't respect lies being told to me from anyone,,,,even if you believe the lies yourself. That person is a threat by the poison that can be spread to another confused individual.

    Any time religion is brought up around me I tell that individual to shut-the- $^%#- up. These weak, fearful people not accepting that death is final. Fear is the origin of religion.....this is why it won't go away
    Very well said; the absolute thruth.
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