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Tesla's long range plan for "free fuel forever"

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    independentliberal Wrote: Tesla is one of the giants of intellectual and scientific history.
    We'll wait and see; talk to me 10 years from now; may be we can recycle them except the battery may be.
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    Initially I agree with everyone. I'd like to see Electric thrive but I agree it's not yet it's time. Maybe in 5 years there will be advances and cost reductions. Maybe in 10 years it might approach a competitive situation. When driving in a hybrid, it always surprises me how silent it can be. If I were Tesla, I'd challenge many universities to study/research the science. Maybe put a carrot at the end of the stick. Those who make a significant improvement will get 1 million dollars. Those who make a game changing improvement will get 5 million dollars. I'd send that to a carefully chosen list of universities that have the technology, staff, funds, and competitive edge. Even a dozen universities worldwide. This will help the world when a car (minus luxury features) is between 25 - 30 thousand dollars, and fueling stations are plentiful. A device for the trunk that will take you from a dead battery to 10 more miles would be worth it's weight in gold.
    At the same time...... I'd hire 6 motivated persons to study to make sure Gas auto makers aren't putting up obstructions.
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    TJ Wrote: Initially I agree with everyone. I'd like to see Electric thrive but I agree it's not yet it's time. Maybe in 5 years there will be advances and cost reductions. Maybe in 10 years it might approach a competitive situation. When driving in a hybrid, it always surprises me how silent it can be. If I were Tesla, I'd challenge many universities to study/research the science. Maybe put a carrot at the end of the stick. Those who make a significant improvement will get 1 million dollars. Those who make a game changing improvement will get 5 million dollars. I'd send that to a carefully chosen list of universities that have the technology, staff, funds, and competitive edge. Even a dozen universities worldwide. This will help the world when a car (minus luxury features) is between 25 - 30 thousand dollars, and fueling stations are plentiful. A device for the trunk that will take you from a dead battery to 10 more miles would be worth it's weight in gold.
    At the same time...... I'd hire 6 motivated persons to study to make sure Gas auto makers aren't putting up obstructions.
    Related to your last line; I do not think it is the "Gas auto makers" like you put it, but the oil company's and its distribution network.
    It will be a total world crisis if indeed every transport & equipment etc. would run on eletricity; The Middle East would be ruined, Canada, Venuzuela, Russia, etc etc. It likely may become WWIII. I guess all the oil producing countries would scream or bribe like hell!!
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    Dutch you are right that the oil companies would be the ones doing the obstructing.

    Oil and gas energy are going to be with us for a long time, as much as some people will not admit it. Electrical power generated by solar panels and solar "farms" are increasing, and battery technology is getting better. All that is good but the phase out of gas and oil will be gradual and take decades at least.

    It would be nice to see the middle east cut off from some of our money. And weapons. Maybe they'd kill each other just a little less.
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    Anyone see Chris Hayes interview Elon Musk last night? I did. On MSNBC!

    Musk said that his company Tesla, produced about 22,000 electric cars last year while the world produced about 100 million gas and diesel powered vehicles last year. I think I remember those numbers correctly and I assume that 100 million includes hybrids.

    Look at those number again: 22,000 electrics vs 100,000,000 non electrics. Maybe that will illustrate how far we have to go. I know that other companies produced electrics too, but you can see that there's quite a disparity in production.

    Tesla is hoping for 36,000 this year, still quite a bit short of the numbers needed to tip the balance.
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    jamesn Wrote: Anyone see Chris Hayes interview Elon Musk last night? I did. On MSNBC!

    Musk said that his company Tesla, produced about 22,000 electric cars last year while the world produced about 100 million gas and diesel powered vehicles last year. I think I remember those numbers correctly and I assume that 100 million includes hybrids.

    Look at those number again: 22,000 electrics vs 100,000,000 non electrics. Maybe that will illustrate how far we have to go. I know that other companies produced electrics too, but you can see that there's quite a disparity in production.

    Tesla is hoping for 36,000 this year, still quite a bit short of the numbers needed to tip the balance.
    Yes I saw that interview; what I kind of gave me the feeling that the guy is sure a genius, but kind of on the edge being "nutty". Like he roll's his eyes once he enters fantasy land. Like living permanently on Mars or robots who takeover the world etc. Just this "body" language gives me the idea, that it will take a longtime before electrics or his fantasy make any impact. Fantasy's will evaporate slowly. Let's first put our feet on the ground and rebuilt our present day infrastructure before running amok on fantasy's.
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    When and if electric vehicles ever become commonplace the gumint will start charging a mileage tax rather than a gas tax. Don't fool yourselves, nothing is free.
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    The latest: Harley Davidson is unveiling an electric bike! I already know for sure it will flop. Harley owners will not buy it! Why? quite simple the "macho" element is then gone with the wind. They love to hear the broom, broom , thud, thud noise of the slow firing cylinders. You can hear a Harley coming from a distance.
    I guess they do not want to be "sissy's on a "girls" bike.
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    Dutch you are right, most Harley owners want the noise of those engines. They showed the electric Harley on the news tonight and it is fast 0-60 in under 4 seconds but only 130 mile range.

    Then what? I have no idea about the charging of these bikes, but many Harley owners won't touch them because Harley riders are all about their Harley "image". The look, the clothes, the noise, the facial hair, the bugs in their teeth...
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    Dutch Wrote: The latest: Harley Davidson is unveiling an electric bike! I already know for sure it will flop. Harley owners will not buy it! Why? quite simple the "macho" element is then gone with the wind. They love to hear the broom, broom , thud, thud noise of the slow firing cylinders. You can hear a Harley coming from a distance.
    I guess they do not want to be "sissy's on a "girls" bike.
    I disagree. I don't think Harley would make a bike that would surely "flop". Being that is, if you two surely know it, I'm sure one of their tens of thousands of workers and teams of testers would know it too I assume. First of all, the prototype of the bike looks amazing. Second, you don't have to be a die hard Harley fan to buy a Harley. Anyone can buy one. Including any and all types of riders. This is just another machine in their artillery of great ones.

    Sure there are allot of Harley riders (mostly older school) enjoy the rumble of the machine. But what about the tens of thousands that don't like it? What about all of the rocket riders? They enjoy the stance, power, sound, motor, and agility of a rocket. There is BIG business for a well built rocket. With this generation, coming up on more of a business than cruisers.

    There's no reason at all to say this bike will surely flop just because it doesn't rumble and the "macho" aspect isn't there. I see hundreds more rockets on the road today than cruisers.

    It's not only the "Harley "image". The look, the clothes, the noise, the facial hair, the bugs in their teeth" guys who are allowed to purchase this bike. That's only a small percent of bike riders.
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    I think it is the ..."(mostly older school)"... riders who will not want anything to do with the new electric bikes. For others, yes maybe the electric Harley will be a hit among some of them.

    But of the people who own Harleys right now, their "image" is a huge part of the ownership process.

    This is the thing: if Harley builds an electric, then the Japanese companies will also build them and they will be just as good, or better, and probably cheaper. That's OK, competition is a good thing.

    I have a friend who owns two Harleys, and he says (only half joking) that he'll only own a "real" Harley. That's probably a widespread opinion among current Harley owners.

    As with other electric vehicles, the downside for many owners is the limited range.
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    Clay, sure it may sell, but probably not to the present Harley club members; indeed I see this bike more or less in the Suzuki range; younger people may like it; just to show of its acceleration. New toy on the block; costing less to operate. Purchase price wise I've not heard how it compares to other bikes; if I was Harley I would rename it; like "swift sparky" or something like that.
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    Ha, Swift Sparky thats good. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying. I just think the bike will be a hit. Especially with Harley capabilities to advertise it as the "exciting new thing". The guys that buy Harleys, then a Harley t shirt, then a Harley hat, then a harley vest, ect, ect, then come to the conclusion that they are in some sort of awesome man club will continue doing there own thing. The motorcycle world used to be alot different, even 10 years ago. I remember in Dallas there was bike night every Thursday on Garland road. The side walks, streets, grass, everything had a kickstand touching it. Over a thousand bikes easy, every week. If I remember correctly NOT one cruiser of any kind. All bussa, Kawasaki, Yamaha, bmw, Ducati, and a couple more. They did not want the cruisers there because they werent rockets. The old school Harley rider had a stigma attached to rockets that they were "girl toys" or "Chinese crap". So they didnt want them around there girl toys and were not permited to ride there. I haven't been there for a few years, but knowing Dallas well, I am sure it has only grown in numbers. Anyone from the Dallas area should know what I'm talking about. From 8pm till 3 am on Thursday night, stay away from Taco Cabana.