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    RT, June 13, 2013: US biggest electric car maker Tesla gives away its patents – but why?

    Tesla CEO Elon Musk has announced that his company will allow others to use Tesla’s technology in electric car production in the hope that this will advance his vision of building more electric vehicles globally.

    Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use its technology.

    “The mission of the company is to accelerate the widespread adoption of electric cars. If Tesla acts as the catalyst for other manufacturers...that will have been achieved,” Tesla spokesperson Simon Sproule told Wired magazine in an interview before the patent announcement was made.

    In a conference call with Wired, Musk rammed his point home by saying, “Putting in long hours for a corporation is hard, putting in long hours for a cause is easy.”

    And for Musk it really is a cause, rather than a money-spinning exercise.


    All I can say is "way to go Tesla". I will be cheering for you. The vision of all-electric vehicles crossing the USA, filling up the streets of urban centers, and significantly contributing to reductions in green house gases is something I hope to see in my lifetime.
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    Schmidt Wrote: RT, June 13, 2013: US biggest electric car maker Tesla gives away its patents – but why?

    Tesla CEO Elon Musk has announced that his company will allow others to use Tesla’s technology in electric car production in the hope that this will advance his vision of building more electric vehicles globally.

    Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use its technology.

    “The mission of the company is to accelerate the widespread adoption of electric cars. If Tesla acts as the catalyst for other manufacturers...that will have been achieved,” Tesla spokesperson Simon Sproule told Wired magazine in an interview before the patent announcement was made.

    In a conference call with Wired, Musk rammed his point home by saying, “Putting in long hours for a corporation is hard, putting in long hours for a cause is easy.”

    And for Musk it really is a cause, rather than a money-spinning exercise.


    All I can say is "way to go Tesla". I will be cheering for you. The vision of all-electric vehicles crossing the USA, filling up the streets of urban centers, and significantly contributing to reductions in green house gases is something I hope to see in my lifetime.
    Sorry, I think all of this will pass; may be hybrids will work, not full electric; once the "grid" falls out no more traffic. You always need a back-up, which means a full tank.
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    Dutch you are right, hybrids are best for now and will remain the best choice for the near future.

    Schmidt wants to see electric cars ..."filling up the streets"... in America, and in his lifetime, and to that I say I hope he plans to live a lot longer, because it will not happen anytime soon.

    It may happen in limited areas here and there, in SoCal and big cities, but for the nation as a whole, it's a long way off.

    I'm happy for Musk and Tesla and hope they have continued success, but pure electric cars are still mostly toys for the rich.
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    His whole point of releasing the patent for free was to encourage entrepreneurs to use their brains and find a cheap way to mass produce electric cars. It's easy to be fatalistic and think we can never figure this out, but that's not the way I think. Look at the technology explosion we have been witnessing throughout these past two decades. What makes you think we can't figure out a way to mass produce electric cars that get their juice off of solar, wind, and other forms of bio energy sources in the very near future?

    This may not be the best thing for those living in America's heartland, but do we need to model every national policy off the whims of a fraction of our overall population? Millions upon millions of Americans live within cities that can easily adjust to this new norm. Why should we be kowtowing to country folk who will never change their way of life?
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    jared you are right of course, ..."millions of Americans live within cities that can easily adjust"... to electric cars. The rest of America can adjust, too, but it will be a slower process. I would not characterize it as "kowtowing" to any one segment. And I think they WILL change their way of life, but right now it is about logistics and economics.

    How many new cars in America are electric? Not many.

    Here's the top five states by new electric car registration:
    1. Washington-1.6%
    2. Hawaii-1.6%
    3. California-1.4%
    4. Georgia-1.1%
    5. Oregon-1.1%

    California not being in the number one spot would surprise lots of people.

    For the USA the percentage is far less than 1%.

    Hybrids are another matter. 24% of Americans use hybrids (that's the claim!) and many if not most hybrid owners have other vehicles, too. Hybrids are REALLY getting popular and eventually electrics will get much more popular as well. Prius cars are everywhere, but pure electrics are as rare as the Prius was a few years ago.

    The point is that it is going to be a LONG time before electrics get really popular and I think all of us are for them to succeed. Electric vehicle prices have to come down and charging stations have to go up, and that's happening, just not fast enough to satisify some people.

    I think my next vehicle will be a hybrid. They are already practical, and almost cost competitive right now.
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    jamesn Wrote: jared you are right of course, ..."millions of Americans live within cities that can easily adjust"... to electric cars. The rest of America can adjust, too, but it will be a slower process. I would not characterize it as "kowtowing" to any one segment. And I think they WILL change their way of life, but right now it is about logistics and economics.

    How many new cars in America are electric? Not many.

    Here's the top five states by new electric car registration:
    1. Washington-1.6%
    2. Hawaii-1.6%
    3. California-1.4%
    4. Georgia-1.1%
    5. Oregon-1.1%

    California not being in the number one spot would surprise lots of people.

    For the USA the percentage is far less than 1%.

    Hybrids are another matter. 24% of Americans use hybrids (that's the claim!) and many if not most hybrid owners have other vehicles, too. Hybrids are REALLY getting popular and eventually electrics will get much more popular as well. Prius cars are everywhere, but pure electrics are as rare as the Prius was a few years ago.

    The point is that it is going to be a LONG time before electrics get really popular and I think all of us are for them to succeed. Electric vehicle prices have to come down and charging stations have to go up, and that's happening, just not fast enough to satisify some people.

    I think my next vehicle will be a hybrid. They are already practical, and almost cost competitive right now.
    The thing is and stays a problem; in a full electric car once the juice runs out; you're dead in the water; you can't get the jerrycan out of the trunk etc.
    If the battery goes so that is the end. Also do not forget all the modern gadgets you want in a car; they also consume juice,which likely reduces the range.
    I just wonder if you have traffic jamb and move slowly for hours what happens; you will be out of juice in no time I guess.
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    The Europeans will lead the way...

    CleanTecna: Tesla Model S Is Best Selling Car In Norway — Busts Norway’s Monthly Sales Record… For Any Car

    Or maybe I should say the Norwegians, with the highest gasoline prices in Europe at $9.79 per gallon.

    The price of gasoline, of course, is the driver on Tesla sales in Norway. The point I make is that the future is closer than you think. If we were to place a carbon tax on gasoline sales, then sales of all electric vehicles would increase.

    If we were to price gasoline using "full cost accounting" then prices would immediately go up.
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    Dutch you are absolutely right, when the battery is dead you call a tow truck, simple as that. That is the biggest drawback---limited range. If you have 50 miles of charge remaining, and it's 51 miles to the nearest charging station...how many people would wish they had purchased a hybrid? Most people would.

    What's a tow truck cost? $200? More? Plus the time and inconvenience?

    Schmidt ..."the future is closer than you think"... Absolutely right, it is closer than some of us think. And, it is farther away than some of us think. Depends on what you think.

    Since less than 1% (WAY LESS) of new car sales in this country are electrics, then we are not as close as some of us think.

    And the Nissan Leaf is the electric that is widespread and at a reasonable price. Range is 75-80 miles according to my local dealer. Charging time 4-8 hours. That won't get it done for the majority of us.

    We are already hearing talk about how the Iraq mess is driving up gas prices and how much it is going to hurt our economy.

    Hybrids are the answer now, and for the near future, that's what I think.
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    Schmidt Wrote: The Europeans will lead the way...

    CleanTecna: Tesla Model S Is Best Selling Car In Norway — Busts Norway’s Monthly Sales Record… For Any Car

    Or maybe I should say the Norwegians, with the highest gasoline prices in Europe at $9.79 per gallon.

    The price of gasoline, of course, is the driver on Tesla sales in Norway. The point I make is that the future is closer than you think. If we were to place a carbon tax on gasoline sales, then sales of all electric vehicles would increase.

    If we were to price gasoline using "full cost accounting" then prices would immediately go up.
    I just wonder; recently in plenty of publications it was said that the US would be self sustaining related to oil and natural gas. So if it is no longer imported and have the consequences of unrest in regions like Iraq etc. ; would that then not reduce fuel prices here? Or does the "greed" factor wins?

    Sure Norway probably spent the tax money on helping to set up the "filling" stations etc. If that would be the case here they likely spent it first on "war" or "war goodies" and then the "backpockets" as well helping the rich to become a bit richer. Infrastructure comes on the last place in this country!!
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    Dutch -- Yes on all that. However, gasoline powered cars are not without faults. Just count the recalls.

    Electric vehicles are not yet the "all purpose vehicle". I'm not making that claim. Look how long internal combustion engines have been around. A very long time. Once more and more cars are built, battery efficiencies will improve with time and demand. And the number of charging stations will increase.

    Today for people that commute to work in urban settings, there is an attraction. They don't need to "top up" with an electric charge, but I will expect more and more employers will install charging stations at work for their employees. It is the future. In any case, they can always recharge at home, and the average commute is probably less than 20 miles a day.

    I look at all the positives...how the technology is evolving so fast, and I get excited. You guys are looking at all the negatives...nay sayers.

    "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." --Thomas Watson, president of IBM, 1943
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    Schmidt Wrote: Dutch -- Yes on all that. However, gasoline powered cars are not without faults. Just count the recalls.

    Electric vehicles are not yet the "all purpose vehicle". I'm not making that claim. Look how long internal combustion engines have been around. A very long time. Once more and more cars are built, battery efficiencies will improve with time and demand. And the number of charging stations will increase.

    Today for people that commute to work in urban settings, there is an attraction. They don't need to "top up" with an electric charge, but I will expect more and more employers will install charging stations at work for their employees. It is the future. In any case, they can always recharge at home, and the average commute is probably less than 20 miles a day.

    I look at all the positives...how the technology is evolving so fast, and I get excited. You guys are looking at all the negatives...nay sayers.

    "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." --Thomas Watson, president of IBM, 1943
    "Schmidt" ; your statement : However, gasoline powered cars are not without faults. Just count the recalls. You as an ex-Finnish European should know better; US designed and produced cars still do not match a Volvo, BMW, Porsche, Mercedes etc. in technology or quality'
    Tesla's will eventually have also plenty of recalls. Once the main battery fails, you can throw the whole car away, because the battery is built and part of the chassis. Most cars, even Ferrari's with low mileage have a lot of electrical problems (window motors etc). ; since on the present day cars there are more and more "electrical" items; navigation, rear view camera's; emergency brakes which apply themself's etc. etc.
    Thus there is more and more to fail; as well on a Tesla.
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    Schmidt we aren't ..."nay sayers"... we just have the ability to see both sides of the issue. Any REASONABLE person needs to see both sides of the issue, the positives AND the negatives.

    You say ..."I look at all the positives...how the technology is evolving so fast"... but do you see the negatives? A dead battery is a dead battery. An empty gas tank is usually no more than a few blocks or a few miles from a gas station and a can of gas can be brought to the empty vehicle. You can't do that with a dead battery. An easy fix for a gas vehicle or a hybrid, for the electric car...not so much.

    Electric cars are great under certain circumstances, just no good for most of us. Except for the rich as toys. At 60K-100K most of us can't afford them.

    The price has to come WAY down, and then we need recharging stations that are all across the nation (Not yet). Just think, if America keeps making progress, there may be more than 1% electric vehicles in America in just a few short years!

    Right now hybrids rule!
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    Sure, Hybrids are the answer for NOW. Tesla is said to be investing 4 billion into a huge new facility to develop effective, lighter weight, and less expensive batteries. Will they sell those to the competition ? Hell yes..... for a profit. Hopefully the better battery technology can reduce purchase costs, increase maximum driving distance, and slowly open the door to an otherwise closed market. Oh yeah, don't forget we get cleaner air as well.
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    Tony you understand.

    You got my message exactly.

    ..."Hybrids are the answer for NOW"... Emphasis on the word NOW.

    The future may belong to pure electrics, but that day is not here, not even real close.

    But I am happy for Tesla, and happy far ANY company which continues to develop electric vehicles, because they will probably continue to gain in popularity and widespread use. If Tesla builds the first big battery factory and makes money by selling their batteries to other companies then good for them. That's capitalism at work.

    It's time for a reality check: Electrics are less than 1% as of NOW.

    ..."Hybrids are the answer for NOW"... Well said.
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    Tesla is one of the giants of intellectual and scientific history.