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Tesla's long range plan for "free fuel forever"

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    Dutch Wrote:
    unitedmajority Wrote: jamesn,
    Thanks for taking the time to check what I am a huge fan of, the leaf or any other electric. Sad you maybe right, the electric car is too expensive for the majority, I have to except that I guess.

    What I really have a problem excepting, the fact we all could have the most expensive electric car on the market with a small portion of the current deficit. Instead of us all getting free electric cars to drive with our trillions spent by the system, there is less of us now from the wars and the trillions we owe got maybe one percent of us very very very rich, how is this even a concept much less our reality?

    I am a fan of anything that is for the majority's good, but unfortunately the system that owns us only cares about the few very rich, it is why we didn't have this thread at least twenty years ago, back when Bush stopped CA from becoming a zero emissions state by taking the states rights away to set emission standards. President Obama gave the rights to set emissions standards back to the states, but twenty years too late, too late to stop the damage done by oil in the mean time, maybe too late to stop the extreme weather we are now in.

    I always say better late than never, but that may not apply anymore, since the majority puts all inconveniences ahead of doing what is right, like driving electric if you could but don't because you want a big O gas guzzler that can drive 24 hours a day, even though most drive less than an hour a day, but just in case you want to drive all day, can't have electric and a clean world for our children, crazy our meme reality.
    Sure you are right in that we have to reduce polution; however whatever we drive is clogging our roads; therefore I'm a strong supporter of improving infrastructure, like high speed rail, better commuter systems, bus and truck (on LPG) transport etc.. This will reduce emissions and stop traffic jambs. Full electric cars for every one, like Tesla will take years. Therefore the hybrids will be a better solution as an intermediate solution. But tackling over-population on our roads could be dealt with at once.
    For sure you are right, we need the stuff Europe has been taking advantage of for decades, mass transportation through rail. I agree, but Walker the governor of WI says we do not need this junk and stopped the rail project for WI. A project paid for by the Feds was denied here, why, because Walker is a Republican who will do anything and everything to keep oil pouring into our polluted earth, trains and mass transportation takes away from oil sales. Yes I have a problem with the Democrats too, but the Republicans are a party for ignorance, something I can not put up with for too long, yet the rest of the majority seems to be just fine with the ignorant for the majority system running us.
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    Exactly; the US is still in the stone age because of our politicians. The other thing about Tesla is, I wonder if the traffic, ice, snow, roads, accidents etc.
    What will then be the range of a Tesla; for instant crawling at 5 to 10 miles an hour in a traffic jamb. I guess you get the same problems if you switch something on and off all the time. So then you are stuck; how are you going to re-load on the middle of the highway and therefore create an even bigger traffic jamb.?
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    Discussing this topic with my daughter last night.... She advised that a nearby large/upscale shopping complex has charging units in the parking garage. Behind the units on the wall is the word TESLA. Tesla is also opening a dealership at (Easton) this shopping venue.
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    The truth is that Americans don't want mass transportation and most of our politicians won't dare push for it. Except for the few who live in big cities, Americans think it is an insult to even suggest that they ride the bus or the train. My little town has no public transportation but the nearest city has a light rail system and no one rides it. About 99% of the time there's only one person on the cars and that's the driver. It is millions of wasted tax dollars for the city.

    I have lived in other countries and used their trains and busses to get around and had no complaints, but it ain't gonna happen in this country without a fight. Politicians want to get elected and stay in office and mass transit is too unpopular for them to support. They don't care about right or wrong, they only care about keeping their phoney baloney jobs.

    There SHOULD be more public transportation available, but most people won't have anything to do with it.

    I am interested in seeing what electric cars in the future will be like. Technology is moving quickly in this area and Tesla has plans for a cheaper one fairly soon. Maybe before too long there will be one that is worth buying.
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    TJ Wrote: Discussing this topic with my daughter last night.... She advised that a nearby large/upscale shopping complex has charging units in the parking garage. Behind the units on the wall is the word TESLA. Tesla is also opening a dealership at (Easton) this shopping venue.
    It is for your daughter and mine that makes me a solar and electric car freak. Both will stop oil from killing their future further.
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    Looking a little more into the next generation Tesla called the Bluestar. It's not quite as good as I'd hoped and these are a few of the details as PROJECTED:

    First available Model C is projected to be available in 2016, and is a 3 door compact family sedan is lowest priced at $37,400 and the quoted price of $29,900 is assuming the buyer qualifies for the maximum $7,500 tax rebate. Lots of people will not qualify for the maximum tax rebate of $7,500. It is a one year tax exemption of up to $7,500. If you do not pay $7,500 in federal taxes in the year of the car purchase, you get only the amount of fed taxes owed for that year. LOTS of people pay less than $7,500.

    The range of the cheapest Model C is 140 miles. Other models of the Bluestar have more range and have more options and more battery capacity but are priced up to $72,500 before the maximum tax rebate of $7,500.

    I don't know the charging times or if it will be compatible with the Tesla Free Supercharger.

    So if this PROJECTED information is accurate, the Bluestar will be cheaper than existing Tesla cars but well above the price of the Nissan Leaf. Still not practical as a primary car for most people, but another choice for the American consumer which means progress is being made.
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    Saw a promo today for 60 Minutes, this week there will be a story about the Tesla Model S electric car; it is scheduled to run this Sunday.

    Should be good, set your DVR's.
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    jamesn Wrote: Saw a promo today for 60 Minutes, this week there will be a story about the Tesla Model S electric car; it is scheduled to run this Sunday.

    Should be good, set your DVR's.
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    Thanks, I look forward to see if they'll address the issue of price. It will only start to make a difference if they can reduce the price and address refueling/recharging.
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    Tony ..."if they'll address the issue of price"... I'm sure that they will.

    Yes, price is the biggest issue for most Americans, with limited range and long charging times (for some cars) as the other big factors.

    When the price of oil/gasoline goes up enough, or when the price of buying and operating the electrics comes down enough, then we will have a product that will be competive, for around town and short trips. For long trips, electrics are still a pipe dream.

    Hybrids are still the best option and they are getting more popular in a hurry. The issue with expensive battery replacement has improved greatly, early battery replacement cost up to 10K, now down to about 2-3K depending on make and model.

    Economics will be what eventually wins over the American consumer. Or loses the battle.

    I'm really looking forward to this report, 60 Minutes usually does a good job of telling all sides of the story.
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    jamesn,
    I love the idea about electric cars and I agree with you about tonight's episode. The biggest need for electric cars is our Ecology. Having just gotten HBO, I've been introduced to a new show called Vice. A recent episode spoke about pollution (most of which is car emissions - IMHO) and how global warming is so much more ahead of schedule. Greenland (3 times bigger than Texas) is melting - A LOT !!!!! when global warming continues, more melting will happen at the polar caps and 70 of the worlds top 100 cities will be drastically effected by the rising tides. Sorry I wandered, but that's why we need electric cars because we've SCREWED this planet.
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    ..."we've SCREWED this planet"... Yes and our (mankinds) actions will not change anytime soon. Look at India and China and the rest of the world. We can only legislate us, the USA could completely outlaw gasoline powered vehicles, but it wouldn't matter much.

    Plus pure electrics can't do the job, even if they were as cheap as conventional cars.

    Hybrids are the best answer, for now and the near future.

    I hope 60 Minutes talks about hybrids and how they compare to Tesla.
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    jamesn,
    I agree. The damage is done. It's about taking steps in the right direction though. If for no other reason, better air quality to breathe.
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    Tony yes it's never the wrong time to do the right thing, even if it won't help much. Maybe it's just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic, though.

    On the 60 Minutes report, I didn't know they were going to spend half the story on the Space X company. That is interesting stuff but I really wanted to know more about the electric car, which can directly affect more Americans than the space industry.

    I'm like most Americans in that I want to do the right thing for the environment, but when the economics are in my favor...THATS what really gets my interest. And for the American consumer it's ECONOMICS which will win this battle.

    Hybrids are still the best answer for most of us.
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    TJ Wrote: jamesn,
    I agree. The damage is done. It's about taking steps in the right direction though. If for no other reason, better air quality to breathe.
    However, keep on dreaming related to air polution; do not forget all our "trucks/vans etc" on the road which are not "Tesla's"; on top of that most cars nowadays last at least 10 years so they will keep on poluting. Then we have the aircraft; I do not foresee "electric" engines on those etc. They are the biggest poluters for sure. Then we have all our factories and plants which are spuwing a lot into the air; as well are poluting our ground water, rivers, waterways.
    Then all the diesels in boats, industry, small engines etc. including your lawnmowers and ATV's; I could go on and on.

    With the Tesla it is pure hype; Litium/Ion batteries are not yet too long on the market; what is the polution of the discarded batteries?
    Also if at a given moment more cars get on fire or in an accident and the batteries explode or catch fire that will be the end of these cars. I get the idea that the present owners just use it as a novelty to do grocery shopping, so I guess the mileage stays low and fewer accidents; so no real comparable data exist on simular use as our present daily long range gasoline cars. We'll wait and see.

    Like "jamesn" says hybrids are a better alternative.
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    Dutch,
    You're absolutely right about sources of pollution but we won't get rid of it all so I'll settle for getting rid of some of it. I also agree that since I'm not rich, I would buy a hybrid if I was buying a new vehicle now. Plus as jamesn said, sometimes you want to drive further so a gas refill seems like the best solution at this point.

    jamesn,
    Yes, I was not thrilled that they spent so much time talking about Spacex. The battery issue is the heart of the matter right now. Tesla is investing a huge amount of money in the new "Battery plant". I guess Rome wasn't built in a day. It was interesting for me learning more about him. That he and his brother slept on the office floor and showered at the Y, still arriving to work before the staff was cool. When discussing how he almost lost it all was interesting too. You could tell he was fighting back the tears. It makes me like him more. He's faced hardships and fought through them. Just like a real person. Makes me want Tesla to succeed even more. To do so, they must lower the price. Hopefully the battery approach will help that to happen. But, it may take a long time......