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Atheism billboard across from Super Bowl venue

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  • Center Left
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    A billboard has been purchased by American Atheists that reads "A 'Hail Mary' only works in football."

    It is promoting the idea that prayer is not effective and that is modern times, it is time for superstitious beliefs to go away.

    Some, of course, find this ad controversial. I am not among those people. Being atheist has long had a certain stigma attached with it, at least where I am from it does. I thing this ad will help spread the word that you shouldn't be timid nor worried about not be superstitious.

    If you want to check out the ad, here it is.
  • Independent
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    Zach F Wrote: A billboard has been purchased by American Atheists that reads "A 'Hail Mary' only works in football."

    It is promoting the idea that prayer is not effective and that is modern times, it is time for superstitious beliefs to go away.

    Some, of course, find this ad controversial. I am not among those people. Being atheist has long had a certain stigma attached with it, at least where I am from it does. I thing this ad will help spread the word that you shouldn't be timid nor worried about not be superstitious.

    If you want to check out the ad, here it is.
    I'm really surprised; in Europe atheism is normal; a lot of churches ( and there are a lot less of them than here) get demolished or turned into apartments. Only a few of the older folks attend church. Here on every street corner there is a church all with different names; weird!!

    I guess it must be the "tax" free "heaven" which causes that; so the church personel indeed work in "heaven"
    Anyway I do not think football players care about anything , but winning
  • Liberal
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    I attend "Our lady of the Hocus pocus".......our sister church is..........."WE HONK FOR JESUS (the Mexican)
  • Center Left
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    I'm not sure why they would spend money to advertise. Expensive and no money to be made in return on Sunday. You have to love free speech.
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    I have read several articles on how Atheists hate what they have become. If you google/bing "Atheism as a religion", you locate sources indicating a battle brewing in society on calling Atheism a religion. A religion may be described as having clear defined rules, eschatology (end-of-life belief), and a philosophy ("Secular Humanism" for atheists) by which to live. Atheism has an understanding of existence. a philosophy of life, leaders and ministers to a following. This begins to identify atheism as a religion. So, if they are a religion, are they taxed like religious organizations (Catholic, Baptists, Methodist, Mormon, Hindu, Buddism, Wicker). Apparently in accordance with the Federal Government, atheism is classified as a religion, thus giving them similar tax breaks. This makes atheists angry enough to sue the government to deny them tax break status. The Federal Government sees Atheist leaders as ministers nothing less than other religious minsters. If you google/bing "atheist taxation", you will find many "proud atheists deny their tax break and paying their fair share, even though they are classified as a religion. Really............Do you think I believe they are paying their fair share? By giving them a tax break, they are probably doing like most of America exceeding illegally their paying tax's.

    Atheists a religion.............hilarious, but sad knowing what they miss in true living and knowledge of a loving God.
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    TJ Wrote: I'm not sure why they would spend money to advertise. Expensive and no money to be made in return on Sunday. You have to love free speech.
    I don't know about that; someone must be making money; there are also some very rich atheists around.
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    Tony you're right, advertising is used to promote a product (make money), so what's the end game here? Is this billboard suppose to convert Christians into non-believers? Seems to me that whom ever paid for this billboard did not put too much thought into the message or the outcome.
  • Liberal
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    Obviously, the devil made them put it up!
  • Liberal
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: I have read several articles on how Atheists hate what they have become. If you google/bing "Atheism as a religion", you locate sources indicating a battle brewing in society on calling Atheism a religion. A religion may be described as having clear defined rules, eschatology (end-of-life belief), and a philosophy ("Secular Humanism" for atheists) by which to live. Atheism has an understanding of existence. a philosophy of life, leaders and ministers to a following. This begins to identify atheism as a religion. So, if they are a religion, are they taxed like religious organizations (Catholic, Baptists, Methodist, Mormon, Hindu, Buddism, Wicker). Apparently in accordance with the Federal Government, atheism is classified as a religion, thus giving them similar tax breaks. This makes atheists angry enough to sue the government to deny them tax break status. The Federal Government sees Atheist leaders as ministers nothing less than other religious minsters. If you google/bing "atheist taxation", you will find many "proud atheists deny their tax break and paying their fair share, even though they are classified as a religion. Really............Do you think I believe they are paying their fair share? By giving them a tax break, they are probably doing like most of America exceeding illegally their paying tax's.

    Atheists a religion.............hilarious, but sad knowing what they miss in true living and knowledge of a loving God.
    I'm sorry, but I'm not missing anything by not having knowledge of your supposedly living and loving God! How about all the so called "lovers of God". starting to love mankind first?
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    PGR, let me ask you this... Which charitable NGO's (Non-Government Organizations) have the largest throughput? Meaning which groups put more of the money donated to them to the people they are trying to help and not to their own pockets? Which ones hide their throughput? You may be surprised to find that religious NGO's generally have the largest throughput, (averaging 70-90%) while groups like the March of Dimes (a non religious NGO) has an estimated 30% throughput. They are estimated because they, unlike most religious NGO's, won't release their expense/income records to the public, only the IRS. Put in terms of money this means that with religious NGO's (not just Christian, but they do make up a majority of the religious NGO's) about 70 to 90 cents of every dollar donated goes to helping mankind in one way or another, while with the March of Dimes 70 cents of every dollar goes in someone's pocket and only 30 cents of every dollar goes to the doctors researching to cure childhood diseases. I will admit that there are exceptions to the rule about religious NGO's, we all know stories of pastors and such making it rich off charity, but those are the exception, not the rule.

    As for the billboard, as a Christian, it really doesn't bother me. If they want to waste their money on it that's fine with me. If someone is going to leave their religion for another (Atheism is by definition a religion) due to a billboard, they were going to leave anyways.

    How's that for 'lovers of god loving mankind first'?

    RanmaMOJ
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    I'm well aware of who donates and why, not to mention what organizations actually support the public rather than themselves. Goodwill Industry's, for one, is one of the worst abusers of so called charity work and actually donates very little. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-hrabe/the-worst-corporation-in-_b_1876905.ht... Susan B Korman is another charity that actually gives only something like 15% of their donations to those that need it http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1c8avq/til_that_susan_g_komen_fo...

    Where we probably disagree is whether or not religions or the government should be doing the charity work. I believe religions should concentrate on teaching their religious beliefs, not trying to sell their beliefs through bribery (charity work) and it's governments job and duty to protect the health and safety of the citizens thru programs such as SNAP, health insurance, school lunch programs, homeless, etc.

    We are both probably at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to religious vs government charity/help for the needy and that's ok - I'm never going to convince you that religion is inherently bad for people or vice versa so I'm not even going to try.
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    I wouldn't really call it bribery when, at least in the case of Christianity, charity is one of the founding principles. I have never heard of the major Christian charities saying anything near, "We'll help you, but only if you convert". Yes they often do hand out literature about their religion, but they don't make it a requirement to even take the literature to get the help. Schmidt could probably back me up on what I'm about to say... The Marian House in Colorado Springs, CO is often rated as one of the top three soup kitchens in the United States, and it is run by the Catholic Church (Saint Mary's is right across the street) and yet they never make any mention of religion or even really have many religious symbols inside. There is a cross in the yard where you wait to go in. I would hardly call following your beliefs bribery.

    RanmaMOJ
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    RanmaMOJ Wrote: I wouldn't really call it bribery when, at least in the case of Christianity, charity is one of the founding principles. I have never heard of the major Christian charities saying anything near, "We'll help you, but only if you convert". Yes they often do hand out literature about their religion, but they don't make it a requirement to even take the literature to get the help. Schmidt could probably back me up on what I'm about to say... The Marian House in Colorado Springs, CO is often rated as one of the top three soup kitchens in the United States, and it is run by the Catholic Church (Saint Mary's is right across the street) and yet they never make any mention of religion or even really have many religious symbols inside. There is a cross in the yard where you wait to go in. I would hardly call following your beliefs bribery.

    RanmaMOJ
    Sorry to say that indeed your story as all your stories are incorrect; churches are a tax free heaven; the peanuts they spent on welfare is only a coverup for what they keep for themselves; ever seen a priest on food stamps? Also your statement that they do not practise "we'll help you if you convert" is wrong; this takes place via our missionary's all over the globe; I've seen that with my own eyes. What about Jehova Witnesses; they are not trying to convert you? you must be kidding. Ever been in a "gold" plated Catholic church? Especially in Europe go vist a cathedral and see all the "gold". The Vatican is one of the richest entities on this world.
    No churches put up a gorgeous "facade" in order to get their easy lifestyle, without having to do actual work; the money will come in by the truck load; just ask the Mormons etc. You forget churches are a "bussiness"; they do accounting too; but do not fill in a W-2!!
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    "Sorry to say that indeed your story as all your stories are incorrect; churches are a tax free heaven; "

    So are all charitable organizations, regardless of whether they are religious or not.

    "the peanuts they spent on welfare is only a coverup for what they keep for themselves;"

    Millions spent a year are 'peanuts'? 70+% of the donations that they bring in a year are 'peanuts'? I'd love those 'peanuts'...

    "ever seen a priest on food stamps?"

    Actually, yes I have. Your statement is about 500 years too late. Know why priests aren't allowed to marry? Because they were amassing too much wealth so the Roman Catholic Church changed the rules, making it so priests are required to take a vow of chastity. As it is now, being a priest is like being in the US Army reserves. It supplements your income, but you can't live off of it.

    "Also your statement that they do not practise "we'll help you if you convert" is wrong; this takes place via our missionary's all over the globe; I've seen that with my own eyes."

    Again, as I said before, they do hand out religious literature, but they don't require you to even take the literature to get their help. You've seen it with your own eyes? Where? When? Which groups? Or did you 'see it with your own eyes' on TV news?

    "What about Jehova Witnesses; they are not trying to convert you?"

    They are, but name some charity's run by the Jahova Witnesses. They don't believe in charities. Also many people don't consider them a Christian religion, so they aren't a good example to use to disprove that Christian religions are charitable.

    "you must be kidding. Ever been in a "gold" plated Catholic church? Especially in Europe go vist a cathedral and see all the "gold"."

    Know how many of those churches have real gold? Believe it or not maybe 100 max, out of thousands of churches with 'gold'. Its fake, its called gilt, a simulated gold paint, you can get it for the walls of your house if you want, it doesn't make you rich. As for have I ever been? Yes, I have, spent 6 years in Germany, and traveled all over Europe, when my dad was in the military. Have you?

    "The Vatican is one of the richest entities on this world."

    False. In 2001 the Vatican's revenue was 202 million USD's with a net income of 8 million USD. Want to take a look at Walmart's revenue vs Income? For the same year Walmart's revenue was 469.162 BILLION USD with a net income of 16.999 Billion USD. Even Walmart's revenue is dwarfed by the United States and many countries on Earth.

    "No churches put up a gorgeous "facade" in order to get their easy lifestyle, without having to do actual work; the money will come in by the truck load; just ask the Mormons etc."

    Again, a bad example that shows your ignorance. The Mormon church gets a majority of their money from businesses that they own and run. Flying J Truck Stops was an example till they were sold to Pilot.

    "You forget churches are a "bussiness"; they do accounting too; but do not fill in a W-2!!"

    Have you ever actually talked with a church to find out? Or any charitable organizations? They do fill out W-2's for their workers. I believe what you are trying to say is that they don't file taxes. They do, all religious groups do. They are also required to, every 5 years, fill out a 501c3. I help out on occasion with a group here in Widefield called Fountain Valley Cares, run out of several churches in the religion, and Fountain Valley Cares is having to break up and reform because they haven't filed their 501c3 in more than 6 years.

    Now, using your own logic, we can say that the Athiests are saying, "We'll support the Super Bowl, but you have to convert to Athiesm". They are trying to bribe people to their religion, for, as you say, (Paraphrasing) "No religion does something for nothing"

    RanmaMOJ

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    RanmaMOJ Wrote:
    "Sorry to say that indeed your story as all your stories are incorrect; churches are a tax free heaven; "

    So are all charitable organizations, regardless of whether they are religious or not.

    "the peanuts they spent on welfare is only a coverup for what they keep for themselves;"

    Millions spent a year are 'peanuts'? 70+% of the donations that they bring in a year are 'peanuts'? I'd love those 'peanuts'...

    "ever seen a priest on food stamps?"

    Actually, yes I have. Your statement is about 500 years too late. Know why priests aren't allowed to marry? Because they were amassing too much wealth so the Roman Catholic Church changed the rules, making it so priests are required to take a vow of chastity. As it is now, being a priest is like being in the US Army reserves. It supplements your income, but you can't live off of it.

    "Also your statement that they do not practise "we'll help you if you convert" is wrong; this takes place via our missionary's all over the globe; I've seen that with my own eyes."

    Again, as I said before, they do hand out religious literature, but they don't require you to even take the literature to get their help. You've seen it with your own eyes? Where? When? Which groups? Or did you 'see it with your own eyes' on TV news?

    "What about Jehova Witnesses; they are not trying to convert you?"

    They are, but name some charity's run by the Jahova Witnesses. They don't believe in charities. Also many people don't consider them a Christian religion, so they aren't a good example to use to disprove that Christian religions are charitable.

    "you must be kidding. Ever been in a "gold" plated Catholic church? Especially in Europe go vist a cathedral and see all the "gold"."

    Know how many of those churches have real gold? Believe it or not maybe 100 max, out of thousands of churches with 'gold'. Its fake, its called gilt, a simulated gold paint, you can get it for the walls of your house if you want, it doesn't make you rich. As for have I ever been? Yes, I have, spent 6 years in Germany, and traveled all over Europe, when my dad was in the military. Have you?

    One word: pathetic; you have noclue whatsoever.

    "The Vatican is one of the richest entities on this world."

    False. In 2001 the Vatican's revenue was 202 million USD's with a net income of 8 million USD. Want to take a look at Walmart's revenue vs Income? For the same year Walmart's revenue was 469.162 BILLION USD with a net income of 16.999 Billion USD. Even Walmart's revenue is dwarfed by the United States and many countries on Earth.

    "No churches put up a gorgeous "facade" in order to get their easy lifestyle, without having to do actual work; the money will come in by the truck load; just ask the Mormons etc."

    Again, a bad example that shows your ignorance. The Mormon church gets a majority of their money from businesses that they own and run. Flying J Truck Stops was an example till they were sold to Pilot.

    "You forget churches are a "bussiness"; they do accounting too; but do not fill in a W-2!!"

    Have you ever actually talked with a church to find out? Or any charitable organizations? They do fill out W-2's for their workers. I believe what you are trying to say is that they don't file taxes. They do, all religious groups do. They are also required to, every 5 years, fill out a 501c3. I help out on occasion with a group here in Widefield called Fountain Valley Cares, run out of several churches in the religion, and Fountain Valley Cares is having to break up and reform because they haven't filed their 501c3 in more than 6 years.

    Now, using your own logic, we can say that the Athiests are saying, "We'll support the Super Bowl, but you have to convert to Athiesm". They are trying to bribe people to their religion, for, as you say, (Paraphrasing) "No religion does something for nothing"

    RanmaMOJ

    Pathetic; you have no clue whatsoever.