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Cannibis Will Save America

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  • Independent
    Cortlandt Manor, NY
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    Pro Cannabis movements have made great strides recently, especially amidst the fanfare around Colorado's laws going into effect. Cannabis got a lot of face time on the news networks but the discussion was all the same as usual. What needs to happen now is the correct question needs to be posed, to the right people on mainstream media outlets. "Why is Cannabis illegal?" The truth needs to come out in front of the masses: Cannabis is illegal to protect profits, not people, always has been. Driven by greed and perpetuated with lies and racism. This prohibition is crippling our economy. Government spending is too high, government income is too low and consumer costs are too high. Cannabis needs to be a legally traded good in the free market. Government spending, taxes, unemployment, environment, wealth gap, etc., it is the best answer for every issue, except maybe the whole gay thing.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    I don't think that any one thing is going to save America. Dozens of good things are needed to start the process. Many on this site will tell you that Hemp is not legal because of interests by the paper industry. Who knows. It seems that may have been the case decades ago but now isn't all paper made in China ? I thought everything was.
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    The government will not legalize marijuana for public recreational use .....EVER. If anything they'll place it the hands to pharmaceutical companies . Marijuana is a schedule 1 drug and serves as the foundation for sentencing federal inmates through a conversion table.....So many kilos of cocaine equal so many pounds of marijuana and the sentence reflects the marijuana amount.
    In prison I remember walking down the tier passing a guy sitting on a chair (reading a book). We looked at one another as I passed by and I thought I knew him. I said "DO I KNOW YOU"? He replied NO. I continued about my business and then it hit me....I went back and asked, You were in the LA Times the other day??? (photo)......He replied yes.....He was one of the first growers convicted for growing medical marijuana (16 year sentence.

    He explained that the DEA visited his operation on 3 occasions. They merely counted plants, took photos, and inventory of the operation. They never asked any questions or said a word on the 3 occasions. 4 years later was raided and indicted. The rest is history

    I myself was convicted under Title 21 U.S.C sec 841 (b) DISTRIBUTION....My advice to all growers.................STOP.....
    you have no idea the power of the government in drug cases

    FIND A JOB
    l


  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    If you have ever been close to a paper mill the stench is bad. So, if paper was made from Hemp, would the paper mill smell better? I don't know, but I bet that paper mill neighbors would better enjoy the Hemp smell than what is currently a big stink. I believe the merits of marijuana and/or Hemp alone has many benefits to America. The drug THC thing should still be regulated just like alcohol and tobacco, so open the awards of Hemp to manufacturing. Could this provide new jobs to America? Do you think politicians are thinking about this, but are afraid to cross the line first approving marijuana? Guess what would happen to Obama if he crossed that line approving marijuana? The Republicans and Tea Partiers would have a celebration condemning the act. The media jokes and cartoons would benefit those that create them for our reading the news. Pro-Cannabis is evolving each year with more States seeing profit motivation and increased taxation. I have been teasing my wife about obtaining stock on companies in the distribution of marijuana, but it is only a tease. It's not a bad idea, it's just not my belief that society needs it. I don't need it, but that might change if I put on clothing made from Hemp. I'm watching this marijuana product evolve. It might save society, but to just smoke it? No, we already have too many crazed politicians representing us, we just don't need to induce them with more drugs.
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    Marijuana does have medicinal properties. Obama doesn't have the authority to approve marijuana. It must be initiated through Congress before he can either sign or veto. Marijuana should be de-criminalized not legalized (there is a difference). If people want to smoke,,,fine, tax, or fee them to death. Only the true smoker won't mind.

    You've been told that gangs commit murders over drug turf....The biggest lie ever told. Gang members kill other gang members because of the "beef" not the drugs. Drugs made it easier to buy weapons and nicer cars.

    70% of all murders in Los Angeles are felon on felon murders....the other 30 % are the innocent victims caught-up in a random robbery/murder, stray bullet, sexual....etc..etc...

    70% of murder victims knew their killer. Also, the recidivism rate of repeat offenders is 30% not 70% as they claim. Most recidivism comes by way of technical violations of parolees. Parole is that idiotic. The number one proponent of keeping parolees in prison originate from the "GUARDS UNION".....Overtime and job security. The guards not only fear lay-offs, but the opportunity to make thousands of more dollars in O.T.

    You have tens of thousands of inmates at state and federal prisons for marijuana and parole violations,,,,,not murder, rape, robbery .....you know,,,,the crimes that by legal definition....make you a felon

    The law requires an actual victim to be considered a felon...... Drug offenders are committed to prison by willful acts of illegal behavior...not felonious behavior. There is a difference........My conviction in federal court was by way of a "judgement" being entered by the court for knowingly and willingly ......victims impact: NONE
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: The government will not legalize marijuana for public recreational use .....EVER. If anything they'll place it the hands to pharmaceutical companies . Marijuana is a schedule 1 drug and serves as the foundation for sentencing federal inmates through a conversion table.....So many kilos of cocaine equal so many pounds of marijuana and the sentence reflects the marijuana amount.
    In prison I remember walking down the tier passing a guy sitting on a chair (reading a book). We looked at one another as I passed by and I thought I knew him. I said "DO I KNOW YOU"? He replied NO. I continued about my business and then it hit me....I went back and asked, You were in the LA Times the other day??? (photo)......He replied yes.....He was one of the first growers convicted for growing medical marijuana (16 year sentence.

    He explained that the DEA visited his operation on 3 occasions. They merely counted plants, took photos, and inventory of the operation. They never asked any questions or said a word on the 3 occasions. 4 years later was raided and indicted. The rest is history

    I myself was convicted under Title 21 U.S.C sec 841 (b) DISTRIBUTION....My advice to all growers.................STOP.....
    you have no idea the power of the government in drug cases

    FIND A JOB
    l
    I would have to disagree with you here. Just because marijuana is not fully legal currently does not mean our Government won't eventually wise up and change the law. There is no Constitutional amendment barring the legalization and taxation of marijuana, so the hurdles to change the law are much easier to get over. What we need is a consistent and driven effort to change public opinion. As public opinion morphs, as will our laws. It may not be over night, but it can be done.

    The DEA has all the power right now, but they are a fairly new entity in the greater scheme of things. They obviously want to keep any and all drugs illegal because it makes sure they all still have jobs, but they are not kings and their mission can change with Congressional action. If Congress votes on marijuana legalization and the President signs it, then the DEA will be forced to follow the law as it is written. They can kick and scream all they want, but we are a Constitutional democracy. I'm not suggesting this will happen over night and the DEA, along with a whole range of other powers that be will fight this, but it is possible. The will of the people is a strong thing. We are just so impatient sometimes and forget that it takes a bit longer than we'd like.

    My guess is that marijuana will be fully legal, taxed, and regulated in my lifetime. Once all the old men that currently occupy these offices finally leave and let a younger generation of politicians that are far more logical when it comes to marijuana policy take over, it will be legal.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    How true, how true (about MJ) but, I fear LA is correct about criminals live to take down other criminals (Whitey Bulger comes to mind here in Beantown).
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    I respectfully disagree in that mandatory minimum sentences are directly related to the war on drugs. Congress would then have to bring back parole in the federal system, abolish mandatory minimums, re-vamp the entire sentencing guidelines because (if you remember) marijuana sets the standard. Not only for that but also for "RELEVANT CONDUCT" issues sec. 2D1 US Sentencing guidelines

    IT took 20 years for them to make these laws. Legalization would create such an impact in the court system (monetarily) the judicial budget would not only be bankrupted, also the money in responding to all the Habeas Corpus writs and back logged dockets would decimate the judicial system at the federal level...........that's never gonna happen.

    Marijuana is a schedule 1 drug... Red Iodine is a pre-cursor in manufacturing meth. (schedule 2 drug).If I were to be caught with a 50 gallon drum of Iodine even though I lack the other two chemicals I would still be sentenced to the amount of meth that 50 gallons of iodine could produce. Lets say that I was sentenced to 30 years. If marijuana is legalized, I would then file a writ to the District court requesting an immediate release. My argument would be that marijuana is a schedule 1the worst)) and that Iodine is recognized as a lessor as a schedule 2...therefore warranting an immediate release....that is a valid argument. There are over 150,000 inmates that would have that similar argument. Do u get it now????? not that simple



  • Democrat
    Glenwood, IA
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    Americanize it. Say Columbus actually discovered POT, not America. Just hurry up my meds make me nausious and I want to see if I am "undepressed" enough now to just have a joint every once in awhile (prob. a couple times a year) and just let it all go. No doupt I abused it when I was young but they didn't have "therapy" back then. Pretty sure Pot is at least partly responsible for some of the pics I am smiling in from way back when. You know how prescriptions always have side effects, I always have the rare ones. The pharmacist does not tell you if are getting a different "generic" version either. I start thinking oh no, did I take my meds right? too many? etc. etc. depressing right? Even if I am not where I need to be physically, mentally, etc. etc. - In the Meantime.......have some compassion. thank you
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: I respectfully disagree in that mandatory minimum sentences are directly related to the war on drugs. Congress would then have to bring back parole in the federal system, abolish mandatory minimums, re-vamp the entire sentencing guidelines because (if you remember) marijuana sets the standard. Not only for that but also for "RELEVANT CONDUCT" issues sec. 2D1 US Sentencing guidelines

    IT took 20 years for them to make these laws. Legalization would create such an impact in the court system (monetarily) the judicial budget would not only be bankrupted, also the money in responding to all the Habeas Corpus writs and back logged dockets would decimate the judicial system at the federal level...........that's never gonna happen.

    Marijuana is a schedule 1 drug... Red Iodine is a pre-cursor in manufacturing meth. (schedule 2 drug).If I were to be caught with a 50 gallon drum of Iodine even though I lack the other two chemicals I would still be sentenced to the amount of meth that 50 gallons of iodine could produce. Lets say that I was sentenced to 30 years. If marijuana is legalized, I would then file a writ to the District court requesting an immediate release. My argument would be that marijuana is a schedule 1the worst)) and that Iodine is recognized as a lessor as a schedule 2...therefore warranting an immediate release....that is a valid argument. There are over 150,000 inmates that would have that similar argument. Do u get it now????? not that simple



    Wouldn't they just stick to the standard of schedule 1 when comparing it to other scheduled substances, and not to just marijuana? There are more schedule 1 substances on that list besides marijuana, cannabis is just one of dozens of schedule 1 drugs. Marijuana being on that list is ridiculous and it needs to be removed. But, I don't think taking it off the list suddenly sets precedent for all others to be considered differently by proxy (at least not when considering already on the books sentences). Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying though...
  • Independent
    St. Peters, MO
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    The Federal law will have to change to protect the right of the States. Federal over rides State laws. This is the predicament. Over 21 to buy akin to alcohol law seems right.
  • Independent
    St. Peters, MO
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    Absolutely, weed needs not to be compared to Meth. Seriously. The occasional doobie could benefit the masses. A whole different ballgame than or nary alcohol. Of course, used by adults in a responsible fashion. Moderation is key to everything. I don`t need to be perpetually impaired.
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    In theory... yes. but when congress passed PLRA prisoner litigation reform act, they placed time limits in the appeal process. They refer to this as the "FINALITY OF SENTENCE".......any changes would be in "EX POST FACTO: after the fact. Which isn't allowed because its trying to go around the law ( a fix)..,..You can't give an individual a 30 years sentence for a schedule 2 and then upgrade it to a schedule 1 in order to fix a new law.

    Marijuana will never be legal at the federal level until the the laws governing and sentencing inmates are abolished prior to making mariijuana legal. And any law addressing it would "shall" benefit the prisoner. Federal drug laws have two separate factors for sentencing 1) the statute, 2) sentencing guidelines...... both must be tossed out...... a watershed rule would then apply
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    sbfriedman Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote: I respectfully disagree in that mandatory minimum sentences are directly related to the war on drugs. Congress would then have to bring back parole in the federal system, abolish mandatory minimums, re-vamp the entire sentencing guidelines because (if you remember) marijuana sets the standard. Not only for that but also for "RELEVANT CONDUCT" issues sec. 2D1 US Sentencing guidelines

    IT took 20 years for them to make these laws. Legalization would create such an impact in the court system (monetarily) the judicial budget would not only be bankrupted, also the money in responding to all the Habeas Corpus writs and back logged dockets would decimate the judicial system at the federal level...........that's never gonna happen.

    Marijuana is a schedule 1 drug... Red Iodine is a pre-cursor in manufacturing meth. (schedule 2 drug).If I were to be caught with a 50 gallon drum of Iodine even though I lack the other two chemicals I would still be sentenced to the amount of meth that 50 gallons of iodine could produce. Lets say that I was sentenced to 30 years. If marijuana is legalized, I would then file a writ to the District court requesting an immediate release. My argument would be that marijuana is a schedule 1the worst)) and that Iodine is recognized as a lessor as a schedule 2...therefore warranting an immediate release....that is a valid argument. There are over 150,000 inmates that would have that similar argument. Do u get it now????? not that simple



    Wouldn't they just stick to the standard of schedule 1 when comparing it to other scheduled substances, and not to just marijuana? There are more schedule 1 substances on that list besides marijuana, cannabis is just one of dozens of schedule 1 drugs. Marijuana being on that list is ridiculous and it needs to be removed. But, I don't think taking it off the list suddenly sets precedent for all others to be considered differently by proxy (at least not when considering already on the books sentences). Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying though...
    No sir... the supremacy clause dictates that federal law is the supreme law of the land....It overrides the state a 100%......Any time congress passes any law they must explain why...this is called legislative intent. 50 years later congress cannot downgrade marijuana simply stating that they were incorrect.....Red Iodine is red iodine when it is alone, but is a pre cursor. Red Iodine is used to clean cuts.....Red Iodine, when cooked with red phosphorus and ephedrine can produce meth......Red Iodine will never be classified as a schedule 1 because alone....its harmless.

    I fought my case and many other cases in a law library for 9 years. Title 21 U.S.C. is very complicated because of all the precedence set by federal courts in addressing drug convictions......It would be chaos. Marijuana sets the standard for all drug cases

    The states simply have a marijuana law and a penalty. The states have individual drug laws. The states can easily make a law because the states
    and the feds have completely different criminal and sentencing schemes. (apples and Oranges)