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Human Trafficking (including legal prostitution) dehumanizes our humanity

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  • Democrat
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    Although I have been complaining about the Netherlands in a previous post, it is true the Dutch is not alone in this social problem. There are several worst offenders, but to allow acceptance of the notion that if it is legal there's no problem. That is distinctly wrong and shows ignorance of respect of all humanity.

    CNN at this moment is initiating stories on the forthcoming Super Bowl, where events around the Globe have similar human trafficking for the sex trade. Children and adults are trafficked to these public events for satisfying the greed and lust of sex. Visions of a depraved person salivating at getting off on a child or adult woman without regards of the humanity of the act is disgusting, sick, demoralizing, and unethical. I can't see why peoples ignorance accepts this behavior.

    Even in my younger years serving in Vietnam, I encountered young ladies selling their bodies for all us serviceman. We were often blessed with calls of "Your Number 1 GI". I bought many a beer, but the horse remained in the barn, so to speak. I can't say that for many of my friends who participated several times bringing home a disease that was not cured. Many of these friends were married and thus had the unfortunate time to inform their wife, "I'm sorry, but I contracted a sexual disease". You can imagine the discussion from that point. My homecoming was very pleasant to my family waiting.

    Legal or not, prostitution is managed by organized crime. Child prostitutes are in organized crime, which may be reasons for thousands of lost and missing children. "Teach a child the ways and they will follow you forever". Remember that saying? Pretty much has a vulgar meaning when relating it to child trafficking into prostitution.

    Well, the world is listening and conducting organized group action. Some of the large efforts come from "UN Convention against Transnational Organized Crime", Universal Declaration of Human Rights", and UN.GIFT (www.ungift.org) conceived to promote global fight on human trafficking. There is a world "Traffic Protocol", providing definition to the variety inhumane acts of human trafficking.

    So, although it appears I failed to get your attention on the Netherlands, I will not provide the country with the ill respect, but categorically place them within the problems of the world. The Netherlands may have the happiest children in the world, but has anybody asked them? Enjoy the Super Bowl, but remember that human trafficking will be well in New jersey and New York. I vote for humanity not some depraved, drunk and sex starved person ready to spend big bucks to lie down with a child or an adult.

    Don't Defend Human Trafficking and Prostitution.
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    Not one person in this forum is defending human trafficking. (NICE TRY). I defend the people of the Netherlands in that "let them worry about their own people, laws, or situations. Worry about your situation. I think the Scandinavian countries have it in control.

    I suggest you move there, become a citizen, and run for office if you're that concerned for the Danish youth.....SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS


    I love prostitution,,,,and so do some of our great Christian leaders in this country. They provide a valuable and needed service for the pastor who wants to get freaky and remain anonymous.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Not one person in this forum is defending human trafficking. (NICE TRY). I defend the people of the Netherlands in that "let them worry about their own people, laws, or situations. Worry about your situation. I think the Scandinavian countries have it in control.

    I suggest you move there, become a citizen, and run for office if you're that concerned for the Danish youth.....SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS


    I love prostitution,,,,and so do some of our great Christian leaders in this country. They provide a valuable and needed service for the pastor who wants to get freaky and remain anonymous.
    Wow, I love your last statement; however they prefer little boys!!
  • Liberal
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    The Netherlands legalized prostitution because after weighing all other options....legalization had the biggest impact that would ultimately benefit the society,,,,, not any religious institution, corporation or individual. It was that impact that led to their decision.

    Our government (in the guise of benefit) to the public, also hiding the true motive of profit ( private corporations fighting these illusory wars) is the very reason drugs, prostitution and gambling remain crimes. Legalization (although un-popular) would benefit society the most. Not by the pros,,,,, but rather,,,,,the elimination of other crimes attributed with these acts

    There are no best answers,,,,,, but when the ultimate emphasis is on society ......... legalization is the only answer. These countries (who are much older than ours) learned from the mistakes of the past. They've been bombed, occupied, and have suffered great losses. in their own history.


    We (THE US CITIZEN) cry when our latte is a little cold from Starbucks...... I move to motion that the prostitute stops and brings me warm latte
  • Independent
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    A few things, first, priests and pastors, while their jobs are similar, are not the same thing. Priests are Roman Catholic and have taken a vow of chastity, pastors (by and large) are Protestant (or one of the many Protestant off shoots) and generally have not taken a vow of chastity. SOME priests prefer little boys, but by and large most of them remain faithful to their vow. If you want to make a wide sweeping statement claiming all do, then how bout this one. ALL homosexuals are pedophiles? I do not believe this and know it to be false, but I can provide limited evidence to prove it, as people can provide limited evidence to prove all priests prefer little boys.

    LA Citizen and I don't seem to agree with each other on many things, but I do agree on this one. First off, those countries are much older than us and have tried making it illegal. Second off the ones where it is legal (by and large, there are always exceptions) have very strict laws on prostitution. As for Vietnam, not sure on their laws, but I don't believe it was actually legal during the war.

    Lets differentiate here as well between prostitution and sex trafficking. Prostitution is often a choice made by the woman involved (again, there are exceptions) in the countries and areas its legal. Sex trafficking on the other hand is rarely a choice of the women involved. I know of no civilized country where Child sex trafficking/prostitution is legal. Before people start shouting at me about countries like Thailand, you might want to look at the laws there. While they aren't always enforced, they are there and people are punished for it. There are many laws on the books here that are for public good that aren't enforced, simply due to man power issues or political reasons. The same goes for Thailand, they make a half hearted attempt, knowing they are trying to stop a flood after the waters are in the roads.

    Lastly, if your complaining about prostitution, why not start closer to home first, somewhere you may actually be able to do something about it? You do realize that Nevada (outside of Clark County, where Las Vegas is) has legalized prostitution right? Clark County is the only county in Nevada that outlawed prostitution. Short of invading another country (which I am not advocating outside of a potential threat to the United States or our allies) we cannot change their laws and culture to suit ourselves, nor should we try.
  • Democrat
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    When I was in the service if you picked up a sexual disease you were disciplined with an Article 18, which is just a summary judgment but you could lose your (pay grade) stripes and pay a fine, so I guess it's illegal if your in the service, USMCJ prevails. BTW, just like the boxer song , I do declare I did spend some money there.
  • Democrat
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    The Human Trafficking issue is not about old countries verses newer social systems, or defending prostitution as a legal business, it's about child and adult slavery and organized crime. High officials in law enforcement, business and politics ignore the issue and accept the trade of human flesh as part of being human. In reality human trafficking is as inhumane as murder giving rise to a new social order of ignorance and cultural acceptance. You all talk about not being able to save the world, well, if you can't voice the issue, you can't fight for freedom from this slavery, and you don't want to a part of changing this horror, than you all are part of the problem. Your supporting child and adult slavery by ignoring the issue and making fun of some one caught in this trap. Maybe it hasn't hit close to home, yet. Well, there is many of us that are speaking up and fighting against this Human Trafficking.

    The past decade the world has expressed a growing army of people against Human Trafficking. It has started small and continues to amass legal and judicial support, big business, and world governments. Recently, there have been some very good media articles. The New York Times has an article on Human Trafficking in their Times Topics. If you find this New York Times article you will also locate the NY Times Archives which is a large resource center for supporting efforts against Human Trafficking. The Kansas City Star has an article located www.kansascity.com/trafficking/ titled "Human Trafficking in America". The Ford Institute is hosting a film on a "Project To End Human Trafficking". I encourage all of you reading this to google/bing search "Human Trafficking", and you will find an abundance of reporting organizations and sources describing the sex trade industry as it directly relates to Human Trafficking.

    There are some American sources for reporting Human Trafficking (FBI, DHS, US Immigration & Customs, US Department of Justice to name a few). The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has launched the Blue Campaign to combat Human Trafficking. You can report to the DHS calling 1-866-347-2423 or via www.ice.gov/tips . There is the National Human Trafficking Resource Center (NHTRC) that has the Polaris Project started to promote a world without slavery. The HTRC may contacted by phone at 1-88-373-7888.

    The above information is just a small part of the army growing in the world combating child and adult trafficking for slavery and into the sex trade markets. This weekend America is having our Super Bowl, where the sex trade uses many victims of slavery for selling their flesh to depraved and drunk adults desiring only to satisfy themselves and not having to respect the person they do it with. The victims will be all over New Jersey and New York. Most will be transported after this weekend to the next venue for more sex, but there will be some bodies laying around. We talk about war being inhumane, well Human Trafficking is a war against humanity. It's kind of weird to be against war and than make excuses for Human Trafficking and the sex industry. Pretty lame.
  • Democrat
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    Why this thread does not receive substantial responses is puzzling. I assume it is people having an inability to answer the cause for human rights. If it is a war, we discuss heavily on the murder, mayhem and collateral damage that takes place. But no, when women and children are involved with an industry that preys on their attempt in survival, people bury their heads in the sand and say, "I see nothing.". It's numbing to see a national acceptance to what is going on and what people refuse to take a stand protecting the rights of women and children caught up in a sex/slave trade. There are young boys and adult males that also are caught up in this horror of an industry, but women and children make up the majority of numbers. It is a crime, unless you believe that it is their right to do with their bodies as they so desire. True to a point, unless you also believe the child that is indoctrinated to the crime by being forced into the sex/slave market by organized crime.

    It is good to see governments around the world are starting to recognize the inhumanity of this human trafficking. More law authorities and agencies are promoting programs to counter this human threat. It is a huge problem especially when you consider a National event such as the Super Bowl this weekend has available hundreds of escorts and participants in a sex trade for thousands of people attending New York and New Jersey with money to spend. Don't blame money, as you don't blame the gun on violence, it is the person committing the crime and the people promoting the crime.

    This is a human rights issue, which I find unpleasantly voided on the DemocraticHub introductory page showing nothing on Human Rights category. We have met the enemy and it is us. Shame, Shame on us.
  • Democrat
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    Slaves and slave trading is as old as it gets, knowing this doesn't make it any more nicer or ho hum, but I wonder if this notion of being able to lord over someone else, to be able to control another's life until their death is really a human condition inbred into our very nature, but as things moved along evolution wise ,certain people took this practice to more obscene levels and left the rest of us to ponder whether or not being in charge of others , their welfare, their ability to rise in the society, whether they succeed or fail, makes us a sort of a slave owner, sometimes it's economic, other times it's physical, both have a determining value to the person which they themselves have little or no control over.
  • Center Left
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: The Netherlands legalized prostitution because after weighing all other options....legalization had the biggest impact that would ultimately benefit the society,,,,, not any religious institution, corporation or individual. It was that impact that led to their decision.

    Our government (in the guise of benefit) to the public, also hiding the true motive of profit ( private corporations fighting these illusory wars) is the very reason drugs, prostitution and gambling remain crimes. Legalization (although un-popular) would benefit society the most. Not by the pros,,,,, but rather,,,,,the elimination of other crimes attributed with these acts

    There are no best answers,,,,,, but when the ultimate emphasis is on society ......... legalization is the only answer. These countries (who are much older than ours) learned from the mistakes of the past. They've been bombed, occupied, and have suffered great losses. in their own history.


    We (THE US CITIZEN) cry when our latte is a little cold from Starbucks...... I move to motion that the prostitute stops and brings me warm latte
    L.A.,
    I agree with you. Far too many are in prison for drug use and it makes them have a very difficult time finding employment after prison. A vicious cycle that often leads them back to selling drugs. It is a problem for many thousands of African Americans in this country. White people don't seem to get questioned or arrested in comparable numbers. These out dated laws are killing a big segment of our population. I'm not for letting people off without a penalty but we have to look at employment chances afterwards. Everyone should be employable.
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote: The Netherlands legalized prostitution because after weighing all other options....legalization had the biggest impact that would ultimately benefit the society,,,,, not any religious institution, corporation or individual. It was that impact that led to their decision.

    Our government (in the guise of benefit) to the public, also hiding the true motive of profit ( private corporations fighting these illusory wars) is the very reason drugs, prostitution and gambling remain crimes. Legalization (although un-popular) would benefit society the most. Not by the pros,,,,, but rather,,,,,the elimination of other crimes attributed with these acts

    There are no best answers,,,,,, but when the ultimate emphasis is on society ......... legalization is the only answer. These countries (who are much older than ours) learned from the mistakes of the past. They've been bombed, occupied, and have suffered great losses. in their own history.


    We (THE US CITIZEN) cry when our latte is a little cold from Starbucks...... I move to motion that the prostitute stops and brings me warm latte
    L.A.,
    I agree with you. Far too many are in prison for drug use and it makes them have a very difficult time finding employment after prison. A vicious cycle that often leads them back to selling drugs. It is a problem for many thousands of African Americans in this country. White people don't seem to get questioned or arrested in comparable numbers. These out dated laws are killing a big segment of our population. I'm not for letting people off without a penalty but we have to look at employment chances afterwards. Everyone should be employable.
    I have a big problem with the statement 'It is a problem for many thousands of African Americans in this country. White people don't seem to get questioned or arrested in comparable numbers'. Having been in prison I call tell you that is a load of propaganda. A majority of the inmates in the 6 prisons I've been to while doing time were white. In one cell house I was in with 250 inmates there were about 20 African American's, about 30 Hispanics, and the rest were white. This is common in prisons. Look into the actual numbers. Even in county jail there was a clear majority of inmates being white. So please, drop the false claim that white people don't seem to get arrested in comparable numbers. It just simply isn't true.

    RanmaMOJ
  • Liberal
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    LA, the ball's in your court. Hit it outa the stadium, we need some reality here!
  • Democrat
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    I think the count is always out of whack because of the method used in counting, the federals don't count county jails in their census nor do they count those who couldn't make bail, and in many local Municipalities, they don't count violation of parole incarceration as a newly incarcerated person, also some counties use house arrest as part of the census for determining the total of people in custody, so clearly a true count is almost unheard of, but I will take issue with the notion that more whites are incarcerated than non-white, I believe that is untrue no matter what method of counting we use.
  • Independent
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    johnnycee Wrote: I think the count is always out of whack because of the method used in counting, the federals don't count county jails in their census nor do they count those who couldn't make bail, and in many local Municipalities, they don't count violation of parole incarceration as a newly incarcerated person, also some counties use house arrest as part of the census for determining the total of people in custody, so clearly a true count is almost unheard of, but I will take issue with the notion that more whites are incarcerated than non-white, I believe that is untrue no matter what method of counting we use.
    Since 2000 whites have outnumbered African American's. I will grant you that if you combine the non-whites they total more than the whites, but the same could now be said about the US. So lets look at the figures.

    In 2009 (the most recent year I could find data for) there were 326,400 white inmates, 300,500 African Americans, and 124,000 Hispanics. See for yourself. Look at 349 - Jail Inmates by Sex, Race, and Hispanic Origin. http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/law_enforcement_courts_prisons.html

    Hate to say it, but sounds to me like you are fighting a fight the Liberals have already won. Things aren't perfect yet, but they are a lot better and getting better all the time. No sensible person denies the injustices done to minorities in the United States in the past, but we are continuing to work to ensure those injustices don't continue into the future. The fight is won, now all that's left is clean up.

    RanmaMOJ
  • Center Left
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

    Click the link - Wikipedia - Read the text. Second paragraph.... It's not even close. 1 in 11 African Americans something like 1 in 27 Hispanics and something like 1 in 45 white. As I originally said it's not even close.

    Ramjam, The link you provided doesn't go to a usable web page. I'll try it again.