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Mental Hospitals are mostly gone

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  • Center Left
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCfL9fW4bEg

    Episode on 60 minutes last Sunday about mental health. Apparently insurance companies don't want to pay to treat mental illness. Probably reduces their profit margins. I understand if you don't have the time to watch (14 minutes). While reading about the topic on line it was stated that Ronald Reagan cut funding for mental hospitals which made them no longer patients but instead homeless people. Later that was changed to be that they were inmates. This was because businesses needed big tax cuts to create jobs but nobody said the jobs had to be here so many businesses built plants where the costs and regulations were far more favorable.
    Mental hospitals had gotten a bad reputation for over medicating and no professional attention. What's worse is our current situation where you can go to the emergency room and get medicated until they decide you're not dangerous and send you home. For people dealing with serious mental health issues there's simply nowhere to turn. Another one of those problems that nobody wants to pay for.

    I had several more links to good sites but I don't know how to space them on a page yet.




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    TJ Wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCfL9fW4bEg

    Episode on 60 minutes last Sunday about mental health. Apparently insurance companies don't want to pay to treat mental illness. Probably reduces their profit margins. I understand if you don't have the time to watch (14 minutes). While reading about the topic on line it was stated that Ronald Reagan cut funding for mental hospitals which made them no longer patients but instead homeless people. Later that was changed to be that they were inmates. This was because businesses needed big tax cuts to create jobs but nobody said the jobs had to be here so many businesses built plants where the costs and regulations were far more favorable.
    Mental hospitals had gotten a bad reputation for over medicating and no professional attention. What's worse is our current situation where you can go to the emergency room and get medicated until they decide you're not dangerous and send you home. For people dealing with serious mental health issues there's simply nowhere to turn. Another one of those problems that nobody wants to pay for.

    I had several more links to good sites but I don't know how to space them on a page yet.




    The movie "One flew over the cuckoos nest" was about the atrocities that were going on in state mental hospitals during the sixties and seventies. Ronald Reagan not only ended funding but Congress passed a law that made it almost impossible to get anyone (crazy) over the age of 18 committed without doing it voluntarily
  • Independent
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    The system justified the closing of all mental institutions with medications being able to take care of these people that institutions once did, crazy, and if that doesn't work, their is always a nice jail cell waiting for you now. Hmmm, what happened to the billions being saved with closing of these institutions, let me guess, we spent it on war plus trillions more we don't have. No, pills don't replace mental institutions as history has now proven, but pills work good for keeping our soldiers in line on the front line, and when these pill popping soldiers get home and snap from all the hell they have been through and from all the pills they took while in hell, we have a nice jail cell ready for retired soldiers with mental issues too instead of a mental hospital, or a cops bullet.
  • Liberal
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    All the money saved went to that nobel establishment AKA the insurance industry in the form of higher profits for stockholders & management. Once again, thank you RR for being the POTUS that started the country on the road to ruin by enabling the 1%!
  • Independent
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    Yes our modern society as well the media creates a lot of mental unstable persons; a couple of houses further down from mine, there is a guy who practices at his house " counseling" for those people. He just bougt an Audi R8 so that is the job to take. Indeed doctors here are being pushed by the industry to push as many pills as possible; so in other words if you are not nuts yet you will become one because of the pills.
    If you look at statistics of killings/murder in this country, then most of these were caused by people who needed help, but did not get it or wanted it.
    Just look at the Bieber story, that is typical of no proper guidance or upbringing by the parents etc. A lot of kids end up on the wrong side because both parents have to work to survive. Then we have the armed forces; which have the wrong effect on young kids who want to play Rambo, but end up dead or nuts. The only way to improve this is ; drastically change this society and its goals. Don't teach kids to be number one all the time; don't get them a gun at age 10; don't let them use drugs ; supervision required all the time; don't let them watch Fox news!!
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    One thread said: why do most Americans vote Republican? And another thread said: the Mental hospitals are mostly gone. I guess the 2nd one answered the first one. With little or no mental health available, more people would be voting Republican! But, heck no, that would be cruel to say that, wouldn't it? But I remember Welch was afraid of mental institutions, & tried to have them shut down. It must have been a premonition, since
    he predicted way ahead of time: "Someday the lunatics will be running the asylum." And as the JBS got bigger & more influential, they began to have more power to manipulate opinion in American schools & in govt policies. And SO IT WAS.
  • Center Left
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    http://www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html

    I think this is an area where the squeezing of a dollar has hurt a lot of families. There used to be 500,000 beds for the mentally ill. Now there's less than 100,000 Stopping funding doesn't cure people. It just gives them no place to go. Many of the crazies have suicidal or violent tendencies. Those are people who need a place to go. As mentioned by others.... soldiers with PTSD are a new crop that need help. From what I've heard, the numbers experiencing this are really high. I hope someone/somewhere can bring some compassion to the issue. The 60 minutes piece tells about how wide spread the problem is. It creeps into our society - Sandy Hook - and we speak of checking out the mental health of people wanting to buy guns but that will never happen if we can get help for those known to have issues. Very SAD. Next time you have a serious injury and you go to the emergency room, don't be surprised if it takes you hours to be seen because situations like this.
  • Liberal
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    I'm starting to believe that some of the members in this forum qualify for mental evaluations.....
  • Liberal
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    Certainly the newer ones do ;)
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote: Certainly the newer ones do ;)
    The youngest for sure, reality is something they can not adjust to excepting yet, with path we are on, they ain't gonna get tat smart.
  • Independent
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    I just wonder about the mental health in this country; a lot of them need help, like the people who text and drive, the people who drink and drive, the people who take all kind of pills and drive, the people who smoke joints or use heroin and drive. Then we have the people with guns in their car and shoot if the hamburger is not to their liking; then we have our "war hero's" coming back totally nuts and fond of the white stuff; then we have the priests grabbing little boys, every one owning a gun and using it, and so on. Yes, something is going on with the mental health in this country
    I could write a book about that.
  • Liberal
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    And, Dutch, most of the blame can be directly pointed at so called Christian conservatives!
  • Democrat
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    I don't know the cause's of mental health issues because they all are so varied but I can speak on the treatment of those illnesses as I had to transport many by court order to the various institutions, the government has a/had a horrible track record for these individuals , here in the Philadelphia area we the infamous Pennhurst Facility Chester County where the Courts had to shut them down because of the extreme abuses and in Philadelphia we had the problematic ByBerry, which was plagued by funding issues , corruption and abuse toward patients, both facilities now closed. Private facilities are the most part pretty good, if you got the buck$, otherwise it's back to state funded private institutions.
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    Mental hospitals are likely not the answer, as once you go into one, getting out is quite difficult. Plus, who defines what deems one "crazy" anyways. I think the best way to deal with mental illness is for there to ensure that mental health medications and counseling are covered by private insurance and/or state insurance programs, and this will ensure that people will have access to mental healthcare and also have a chance of recovering from their condition without being locked up in an institution for life. In many cases, when people have access to adequate mental healthcare outside of an institution, it is possible for those with even the most serious conditions to recover from their illness. In comparison, when one is institutionalized on a long term basis, it is nearly impossible for anyone to recover from their condition.

    I actually used to suffer from issues that would likely be deemed "mental illness". While I largely stayed out of the system, I went to a few psychologists. The only diagnosis I got was depression. However, I actually experienced highly detailed auditory hallucinations for several months and even had full conversations with them. I was able to recover from this completely, but I doubt that this would have happened had I been hospitalized.

    The disability application should be streamlined to ensure that people are not waitlisted that truly need it for mental or physical conditions. However, with the current administration, this is unlikely to happen. Instead, disability benefits will likely be repealed in entirety and/or there even could be programs aimed at ensuring that those with mental disabilities are unable to be employed..... possibly HIPPA will be repealed ensuring that the corporations will be able to see all records, including mental health records.

  • Liberal
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    Reading your previous five posts, this does not surprise me at all.