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Fox News..."The propaganda of ignorance."

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    For those that have been following this website for a while, you'll know that I am the chief critic of Fox News and often have to argue with many of the defenders of Fox News that still think it's a legitimate news channel.

    So I read an excellent article today in AlterNet by John Haggerty, which pretty much says many of the same things I have been saying over the years.

    AlterNet, January 28, 2014: My Fox News Nightmare: How I Tortured Myself with The Propaganda of Ignorance

    Haggerty as an experiment forced himself to watch nothing but Fox News 3 hours a day for a whole month and to the exclusion of all other news channels. His observations after the ordeal pretty well echo mine, but I only watch tidbits now and otherwise rely heavily on Media Matters to tell me what lies they are telling.

    I highly recommend reading it, but I'll extract a few of his key points:

    "Doubt, as well as its cousins ambiguity, complexity, subtlety, and nuance, are simply not welcome on O’Reilly’s show. Socrates said “To be uncertain is to be uncomfortable, but to be certain is to be ridiculous.” Bill O’Reilly, I imagine, would think that Socrates was a pinhead.

    "Perhaps it’s time to discuss ignorance. One of the interesting things about Fox News, one of the things I hadn’t anticipated upon entering into this venture, was how little actual news the network disseminates. There is a lot of national political coverage, most of this devoted to the damage that Barack Obama and the Democratic Party are inflicting on our country. Beyond that, however, Fox stays true to its Rupert Murdochian tabloid roots. There is plenty of coverage of police chases and freak accidents, but very little else in the way of substantive stories.

    "Given the statistics about Fox’s conservative influence and the way it misleads its viewers, I think it is fair to classify much of what it does as propaganda...But Fox, as I came to discover, indulges in another form of opinion creation. Let’s call this the propaganda of ignorance. By choosing which stories to cover, and, perhaps more importantly, which stories to ignore, Fox is able to advance its political agenda in a much more subtle and insidious way.

    "Fox is a network founded on outrage. There is a constant barrage of stories of righteous people wronged by the forces of evil, usually in the form of government.


    The bolding is mine...that fits...the propaganda of ignorance. When I read Haggerty's article I felt smug comfort that at least one person out there shares my views.

    So the Fox News defenders can take the pulpit now...
  • Liberal
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    I'm reading "The Loudest Voice in the Room" right now. The unofficial bio of Roger Ailes. It's quite interesting and a must read for any Tea Party conservative who is a fan of Fox News!

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Loudest-Voice-Room-News/dp/0812992857
  • Independent
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    I can point out 4 hours (probably where his 3 hours came from) on Fox News where he based his statements. I've got news for you, they aren't billed as news shows, they are all 4 COMMENTARY shows... Here they are "Greta to 7, Bill at 8, Megyn at 9, Sean at 10". Taken from their website line up... Now, shall we take a look at the line up for CNN at the same times? From CNN's website line up... 6:30 - Moneyline News Hour, 7:30 - Crossfire, 8:00 - Wolf Blitzer Reports, 8:30 - The Point with Greta Van Susteren (Posters note: Looks like Fox is doing something right with her...) 9:00 - Larry King Live. Actual news reported during 4 hours listed with Fox? None. Actual News reported with CNN during same 4 hours? None. Don't bash one organization for not reporting news during only 3 hours of watching and not point out the same problems with others. I watch Fox at times (earlier in the day so I get the news not the commentary) I also watch CNN, ABC, and NBC for the news on occasion (again, not the commentaries). You want news and facts to make an informed opinion? Watch more than one news company and have one of them be Fox (simply because they don't usually agree with the others). As for 'by choosing which stories to cover, and, perhaps more importantly, which stories to ignore, Fox is able to advance its political agenda in a much more subtle and insidious way.' you might want to look at the AP and how news is actually made and reported. ALL companies pick and choose which stories to report to advance a political agenda. Fox makes a claim I don't feel they live up to, but its one I insist people try to live up to if they are going to post on forums, especially if I post. Be fair and balanced.

    Do your own research, look at all sides, not just the one you believe in or you are supporting the 'propaganda of ignorance' that ALL news companies force on us, not just Fox.

    RanmaMOJ
  • Liberal
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    Greta van Sustren.....what a name! she must of went through hell in middle school
  • Liberal
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    Maybe that's why she turned into a right wing DB?
  • Liberal
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    RanmaMOJ Wrote: I can point out 4 hours (probably where his 3 hours came from) on Fox News where he based his statements. I've got news for you, they aren't billed as news shows, they are all 4 COMMENTARY shows... Here they are "Greta to 7, Bill at 8, Megyn at 9, Sean at 10". Taken from their website line up... Now, shall we take a look at the line up for CNN at the same times? From CNN's website line up... 6:30 - Moneyline News Hour, 7:30 - Crossfire, 8:00 - Wolf Blitzer Reports, 8:30 - The Point with Greta Van Susteren (Posters note: Looks like Fox is doing something right with her...) 9:00 - Larry King Live. Actual news reported during 4 hours listed with Fox? None. Actual News reported with CNN during same 4 hours? None. Don't bash one organization for not reporting news during only 3 hours of watching and not point out the same problems with others. I watch Fox at times (earlier in the day so I get the news not the commentary) I also watch CNN, ABC, and NBC for the news on occasion (again, not the commentaries). You want news and facts to make an informed opinion? Watch more than one news company and have one of them be Fox (simply because they don't usually agree with the others). As for 'by choosing which stories to cover, and, perhaps more importantly, which stories to ignore, Fox is able to advance its political agenda in a much more subtle and insidious way.' you might want to look at the AP and how news is actually made and reported. ALL companies pick and choose which stories to report to advance a political agenda. Fox makes a claim I don't feel they live up to, but its one I insist people try to live up to if they are going to post on forums, especially if I post. Be fair and balanced.

    Do your own research, look at all sides, not just the one you believe in or you are supporting the 'propaganda of ignorance' that ALL news companies force on us, not just Fox.

    RanmaMOJ
    Read the book and get back to us after you get some new batteries for your TV remote.
  • Center Left
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    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-4-2014/bill-o-reilly--president-obama--and-the-super-bowl-pre-show



    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-4-2014/appetite-for-distraction

    Jon Stewart on The Daily show pokes fun about Fox and the way they report on Obama. I thought is was very funny.

    ***** Just watch the two clips - They are very funny ***********
  • Independent
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    Does Fox news hammer Obama? Yes, and they largely gave Bush a pass. Did CNN hammer Bush? Yes, and they largely give Obama a pass. All news is biased. Fox News is wrong to claim they are fair and balanced (although at one time they were closer to living up to their claim, before most of their liberal commentators left, I think they still have one or two token liberals), but it is wrong to believe ABC, CBS, CNN, or NBC are any better. Before the Super Bowl ABC did a report on how the conservatives say that there will be over 2 million jobs lost due to the ACA. ABC immediately rebutted that by giving the current administrations rebuttal that the jobs wouldn't be lost but that the people would voluntarily quit/work less because they don't have to pay as much for health care. Really, an no one stated how much bull that statement is? How many people do you know have a job simply to pay for health care? No where near 2 million.

    RanmaMOJ
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    Welcome to Foxy News: Today we had the 40th investigation into Obama's obviously faked birth certificate. We weren't able to unearth either his mother or father to comment. (obviously suspicious). Faking a death & burial is no excuse for refusing to testify. Now we go to where Obama was actually born. Pictures of him playing basketball in Hawaii were obviously faked. There are no basketball hoops in Hawaii, only "hula hoops." And besides, our investigators cannot find where Hawaii is listed as being in the United States. It is probably closer to Kenya, or maybe floating alongside Communist Cuba. Obama has kept this a state secret, ("commie" that he is), but someday soon the proof will materialize. And we can then proceed with our 27th impeachment attempt. Due to Obama's "peace" initiatives, with help from the United Nations, (obviously known for being a communist front), we cannot proceed with our profitable GOP Foreign Policy Initiative - (aka Eternal War).

    Our prestigious neo-con Economists did predict a thriving US investment portfolio, in the area of WMD, Bombs & Artillery, & millions of flag-draped coffins. We also could quickly get in to medical supplies, like prosthesis (artificial arms & legs) & robotic wheelchairs. (Big profit in those). Also, don't forget the billion$ we'll have to spend on "nation building" in foreign desert regions, while American cities (like Detroit) rust & decay to oblivion. (heh heh) (We'll teach those Blue State Union-loving cities how to vote). Just like Chris Christie, we "ignore" people who don't fall into line, on our personal projects. Don't expect any fancy "bridges" in Detroit, you suckers.

    Because of endless WAR, we need to seriously consider the nation's Blood Supply. So, how can we find any MORE WAYS to "Bleed" the U.S. Taxpayers? (heh heh) We have cut off their food stamps, outsourced all their jobs, & stopped most kinds of assistance, & housing for the Poor. Most of our GOP governors have refused to accept Medicare. (hilarious laughter). I guess the next step would be to FORCE the poor to "sell their blood" to get money for food. (The more of them that die, will mean less "liberal" votes). We are such a great "moral majority" in this nation, we probably even have the POPE duped. We already have the "Catholic Voice" on our side. Yes, Foxy News is always on the look-out for good allies in the media. And using Nuns with full black "habit" clothing, they can sneak in literally anywhere, without being suspected. Nobody dares to "frisk" a nun, even at the airport. And nuns can refuse a full-body scan showing them virtually in the nude. (too X-rated).

    Our last major attempt to "rig" the U.S. Presidential election was a major catastrophe. Even with the Murdoch & Koch Bros fortunes (combined), we took it in arears. (sp?) So we must find new & more successful ways to counteract this stupid "democracy" & stifle that bunch of whiners & free-loaders, so they learn who is BOSS, & that "we mean business, every step of the way." Our Founding Fathers were a bunch of idiots who thought that the "common people" could make their own rules, & decide their own leaders. Bah, Humbug. We discovered that the best way to rule, without stupid debates, is to just ELIMINATE the MIDDLE MAN, & stuff the ballot boxes ourselves. (Who needs voters)?

    Geo W. Bush is a good case in point, who told his younger brother "Jeb" to quit counting the ballots (in Florida, 2000), until the whole election had to go to the Supreme Court. (Remember those "hanging chads"?) Astoundingly, that Court had just been appointed by his "daddy" Prez Bush #41, & so the Justices owed Bushy a big favor & this got his son elected POTUS. (a little cronyism never hurts). Well, we at Foxy News, have always been as FAIR & BALANCED as we can be. Just remember Geo Orwell's "1984" -- where everything is like a fun-house mirror, it is totally backwards & upside down. That is our reporting style. (Backwards & Upside Down). ergo it is "UNfair & UNbalanced." - []
  • Liberal
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    EF as much as we all enjoy your rambelings it would make it a lot easier for us to follow them if you broke it down into paragraphs rather than one long sentence.
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    Hi PGR: You are right. I usually "edit" it before I post it, but today things got out of control. Made a mistake & pushed the "send" button before I dashed out the door. I should have pushed "Delete" instead. (thanks for telling me).
  • Liberal Democrat
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    RanmaMOJ Wrote: Does Fox news hammer Obama? Yes, and they largely gave Bush a pass. Did CNN hammer Bush? Yes, and they largely give Obama a pass. All news is biased. Fox News is wrong to claim they are fair and balanced (although at one time they were closer to living up to their claim, before most of their liberal commentators left, I think they still have one or two token liberals), but it is wrong to believe ABC, CBS, CNN, or NBC are any better. Before the Super Bowl ABC did a report on how the conservatives say that there will be over 2 million jobs lost due to the ACA. ABC immediately rebutted that by giving the current administrations rebuttal that the jobs wouldn't be lost but that the people would voluntarily quit/work less because they don't have to pay as much for health care. Really, an no one stated how much bull that statement is? How many people do you know have a job simply to pay for health care? No where near 2 million.

    RanmaMOJ
    RanmaMOJ --

    I think you as well as many in the media have misunderstood. What the CBO is addressing is called job-lock.

    L.A. Times, February 5, 2014: 'Job-lock' and the Republican dilemma over Obamacare

    This is something that Republicans felt was important prior to Obamacare, but now are twisting the message.

    The Heritage Foundation addressed job-lock in 2008 as one of the selling points of health reform. "Individuals who wish to take a better job, change careers or leave the workforce to raise a family or to retire early take substantial risks. ... This health insurance obstacle to labor mobility is some­times called 'job-lock.'

    Paul Ryan likewise spoke about it in 2009: "[The] key question that ought to be addressed in any healthcare reform legislation is, are we going to continue job-lock or are we going to allow individuals more choice and portability to fit the 21st century workforce?"

    "The CBO said the reduction in hours worked will be the equivalent of 2.5 million full-time workers over the next decade or so, but that overall employment will still grow and, in fact, the unemployment rate will drop."

    So now workers have choice and portability. Workers can quit jobs that they don't like and previously only kept because of the health insurance. Especially for those with a pre-existing condition, estimated by some to be as high as 50 percent of the non-elderly work force, this is freedom. So yes...lots of people will quit...but not fired or laid off. And for everyone that quits, I'm sure there are lots of unemployed willing to take the job.
  • Liberal
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    O'Reilly, Rush, and Beck could have never entered show business under any other circumstance. They're not stupid, they know the score. This realm was the only way in....and they make millions. smart move.

    Rush Limbaugh looks like a Pig...really, not joking. He's so ugly he has to use radio for his show.......Fox would be stupid to put him on TV...OINK OINK
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I came across this article in Facebook, and decided to share it with the choir on this older thread.

    This Is How Fox News Brainwashes Its Viewers: Our In-Depth Investigation of the Propaganda Cycle

    Not too much new here that we haven't discussed, but I like the way they put together the Fox News Propaganda Cycle. Fox News is certainly one of the partisan actors in the current election cycle, maligning Democrats at every turn and making Republicans appear more reasonable and electable.

    I think "brainwashed" is an appropriate word in describing their loyal viewers. Stupid might be another.

  • Liberal
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    100% correct! Now, all The Fox needs to do is start a tax exempt religion (if RL Hubbard could anyone can). They already have a built in congregation of brainwashed, fearfull, low thinking followers so it should become extremely successful overnight.