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Mike Huckabee's view of women's libidos

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    No one has yet brought up (or I might have missed it) Mike Huckabee's statement at a recent Republican National Committee meeting although various MSNBC pundits have been showing it again and again as another example of the worldviews of Republican men towards women.

    Quoting Huckabee:

    New York Magazine: Mike Huckabee Has Thoughts on Women’s Libidos

    "I think it's time Republicans no longer accept listening to the Democrats talk about a 'war on women. The fact is the Republicans don't have a war on women, they have a war for women, to empower them to be something other than victims of their gender."

    "If the Democrats want to insult the women of America by making them believe that they are helpless without Uncle Sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system without the help of the government, then so be it, let's take that discussion all across America because women are far more than Democrats have made them out to be."


    Huckabee's statement of course caused an uproar amongst liberal minded women. I was not going to bother commenting because his statements are just so common place anymore in the Republican bubble.

    But then I learned that Huckabee had just the opposite view in 2005 when as governor of Arkansas he signed into law state legislation that required all health insurance plans providing prescription drug coverage to cover contraceptive drugs and devices as well. According to the Arkansas Times, Huckabee's exemption for religious organizations was actually narrower than the exemption in the Affordable Care Act:

    Huffington Post: Mike Huckabee Makes Epic Flip-Flop On Birth Control Coverage

    "But like the original federal regulation proposed by Obama, the Arkansas law did not exempt church-affiliated hospitals and universities. It exempts only "religious employers" that are nonprofit organizations whose primary mission is "the inculcation of religious values," and primarily employ people who share the same religion, a standard few Catholic hospitals meet."

    Now that is a major flip flop...or did he just forget what he signed into law as governor? In my view it is the typical reactionary type of knee jerk responses that we are getting from many Republicans almost daily now as they pander to their right wing audiences, ignoring what they thought or said in the past. But hey if you are a Fox News viewer you'll never know the difference.

    Way to go Huck...and as the Reverend says, "We got you!"
  • Democrat
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    I understand that the two reporters who tweeted this to the internet have since apologized for taking his quotes out of context and for not using the entire quotes in their tweets.
  • Liberal
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    Huckabee is so out of touch with reality and truth he might as well be Mork from Ork! No one, not even the Repubs, care what he says and wish he would just shut up like Cruz & Santorum so they could get a shot at the White House again. Until these religious freaks stop trying to force their view of life on the public they are doomed to failure.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: I understand that the two reporters who tweeted this to the internet have since apologized for taking his quotes out of context and for not using the entire quotes in their tweets.
    These are, of course, his exact words...

    "I think it's time Republicans no longer accept listening to the Democrats talk about a 'war on women. The fact is the Republicans don't have a war on women, they have a war for women, to empower them to be something other than victims of their gender."

    "If the Democrats want to insult the women of America by making them believe that they are helpless without Uncle Sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system without the help of the government, then so be it, let's take that discussion all across America because women are far more than Democrats have made them out to be."


    I listened to him again and again...these words are not taken out of context. I don't know how Huckabee can say he was misinterpreted.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I should add that his words were a part of a carefully prepared speech. He wanted to get in the words "Uncle Sugar" and "cannot control their libido" in reference to women's contraception, but somehow had to make the subtle association with Democrats for cover. He exactly accomplished his goal because now all the media is calling attention to "women's libidos" and "Uncle Sugar" and those words will forever become a part of Republican lexicon in referring to women and contraception. Rush Limbaugh would be proud of Huckabee, although his words were much cruder in reference to Sandra Fluke. Same message...just a different set of words.
  • Other Party
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    Schmidt I think you got Huckabee's ..."exact words"... but you didn't get enough of his ..."exact words"... You 'forgot' to include the paragraph about how he praises the women he knows calling them smart, then makes the comparison to how he thinks the Democrats demean them. That's his whole set up for the two paragraphs that you quote.

    In that respect, you are taking him out of context, just like some others are. I heard one commentator take about half the ..."libido or their reproductive system"... sentence and then blast him for demeaning women. You can blast the Huckster for demeaning women if you choose but don't do it by taking PART of what he said.
  • Other Party
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    Huckabee: Dems say women need government to 'Control their Libido' That how NBC headlines their story. And that's not what he said.

    Here are some more of Huckabee's ..."exact words"... from his carefully prepared speech.

    "Democrats think that women are nothing more than helpless and hopeless creatures whose only goal in life is to have government provide for them birth control medication. Women I know are smart, educated, intelligent, capable of doing anything that anyone else can do."

    These ..."exact words"... proceeded the part quoted by Schmidt. They show the point he was making which was to contrast how he thinks the Republicans and Democrats treat women.

    Headline on NBCNEWS .COM: Huckabee: Dems say women need government to 'Control their Libido' Once again, Huckabee did not say that.

    I'm not defending Huckabee, but I think we should tell the truth here. He may wish he had worded things differently, and I do not agree with everything he said or the way he said them, but let's quote enough of his exact words to be fair.

    I think that NBCNEWS.COM headline is an example of what Huckabee is referring to when he say he's being taken out of context. And I think he's right.
  • Independent
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    jamesn Wrote: Huckabee: Dems say women need government to 'Control their Libido' That how NBC headlines their story. And that's not what he said.

    Here are some more of Huckabee's ..."exact words"... from his carefully prepared speech.

    "Democrats think that women are nothing more than helpless and hopeless creatures whose only goal in life is to have government provide for them birth control medication. Women I know are smart, educated, intelligent, capable of doing anything that anyone else can do."

    These ..."exact words"... proceeded the part quoted by Schmidt. They show the point he was making which was to contrast how he thinks the Republicans and Democrats treat women.

    Headline on NBCNEWS .COM: Huckabee: Dems say women need government to 'Control their Libido' Once again, Huckabee did not say that.

    I'm not defending Huckabee, but I think we should tell the truth here. He may wish he had worded things differently, and I do not agree with everything he said or the way he said them, but let's quote enough of his exact words to be fair.

    I think that NBCNEWS.COM headline is an example of what Huckabee is referring to when he say he's being taken out of context. And I think he's right.
    Regardless of what he said or not said; there are plenty of Christian politicy who are favoring abolishing birthcontrol pills and abortions. Plenty of them are weaseling around the subject, but still via the churches, meddling into the private life's of women.
  • Other Party
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    Agreed, but there's no justification to twist someones words into something he did not say.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Jamesn -- If Huckabee had stopped at the paragraph you provided above, then we might have had an argument of what Huckabee thinks that Democrats' views of women are. And of course that statement is absolutely false in itself...just the opposite of what most liberals and Democrats think...but actually what many Republicans think by their words and actions.

    But in adding the next paragraphs, it was a deliberate move on his part to interject the words "Uncle Sugar" and "women's libidos" into the narrative, and of course also associate those words with Democrats. There was no reason for a baptist minister like Huckabee to bring those words up except to instill them into the lexicon about women. It's what Republicans think about women and not Democrats...but he couches it as just the opposite.

    It's classic Republican speak...Frank Luntz wordsmithing. "Some people say...liberals say...Democrats say"...followed by a bunch of trash talk words that the media pick up because the outrageous words themselves become the focus. It's the word association. Does anyone think of Sandra Fluke and not think of Rush Limbaugh's vulgar words about her and young women like her? I won't even repeat those words here, but I've heard them again and again in the both the conservative and liberal media.

    Make no mistake...Mike Huckabee's speech was carefully written and wordsmithed by Republican professionals like Frank Luntz to get those words out there through a back door approach of accusing Democrats of doing what they are doing.

    And you know...it was successful.

    The more the media argue about Huckabee's words being taken out of context, the more the word association is repeated again and again.

    Now on Fox and Friends and other conservative media, I'm sure you will hear again and again some snickering and smirking as they bring up the innuendos about "women's libidos" and "Uncle Sugars" whenever discussing young women and birth control...just like they did with Sandra Fluke.
  • Democrat
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    Huckabee is just another Arkansas bully pushing his agenda. Huckabee is a favorite for many Republican, Tea Party and Ducky Robertson types. They push their beliefs on corralling women into barefoot, chained to the bed and frying pan pictures of a world dominated by men. It is because of this mentality America needs more women in the political forums. Women need to stand up to this ludicrous behavior, because it they do not, they will see their rights being taken away. I see Todd Akins and other shoot-your-mouth off politicians are coming back. These people will not go away. They are like a bad cold. You can't get rid of them.
  • Other Party
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    Schmidt so you agree with me that NBCNEWS.COM took him out of context, misrepresentated his words?

    Amc ..."These people will not go away"... No they won't and it only increases their resolve and helps their cause when they are misquoted like NBC did in the example I provided. That just helps them because they can now rightfully point to the media examples of inaccuracy. They will say they are being persecuted by the media, and this is their ammunition.
  • Democrat
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    If the two reporters say that they did indeed take his comments out text which they tweeted and then realized that they were in fact in error and have since apologized, why would you then continue interpreting what he said, clearly to me the operative word in the text you supplied is the word "IF", which btw is the opening word.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: If the two reporters say that they did indeed take his comments out text which they tweeted and then realized that they were in fact in error and have since apologized, why would you then continue interpreting what he said, clearly to me the operative word in the text you supplied is the word "IF", which btw is the opening word.
    Let me repeat again. The fact that a couple of reporters misconstrued what Huckabee said should not be the issue. What is happening in the post Huckabee speech narrative is that Mike Huckabee is playing the victim, and a whole lot of Republicans are circling the wagons defending him. It is not the way he said it, or if he threw in an "if", it is the fact that he found a way to further degrade young women with his choice of words while playing the victim.

    Instead of a discussion about his denegrating young women and his outright lying about Democrats, we are talking about how a couple of reporters took his words out of context. That's the headline. Poor Mike Huckabee...a victim again of the biased liberal media. No mention of the fact that everything he said was total BS.

    This is what Republicans do...Mike Huckabee, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Ted Cruz...they all pick away at something that was attributed to them so they can deny and play the victim.

    I will not get into a discussion about the exact words. The words were carefully chosen to mislead and enrage liberals while portraying young women in a negative light. And they have succeeded. I've seen this tactic used by Republicans time and again.
  • Other Party
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    Schmidt you say that ..."I will not get into a discussion about the exact words"...

    But, as you can clearly see in your earlier post on 1-28-2014 08:38 AM you said ..."These are, of course, his exact words..."...

    The ..."exact words"... are the central point of this discussion and the media story. Without Huckabee's ..."exact words"... we wouldn't be talking about it.

    Yes, the two "reporters" from CNN and NBC tweeted about it and then both tweeted a correction. That says all you need to know. They got it wrong, they realized they got it wrong, they acknowledged it, corrected it, now life can go on.

    Except that they helped Huckabee and those of his ilk. They gave him and his camp more to use for THEIR side.