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New thread, Same Story...Gun Control....What now?

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  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Shooting at limbs rather than center mass increases the chances of innocent bystanders being shot, this is one of the reasons why I advocate for training and safety classes.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    johnnycee Wrote: Shooting at limbs rather than center mass increases the chances of innocent bystanders being shot, this is one of the reasons why I advocate for training and safety classes.
    The thing is however when the cops are there then mostly the bystanders are gone; so a poor excuse. Unless it is a hostage case.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Recent run ins with the police captured by the media and news reporting details account of multiple shots hitting the "victim". I can't call him a "Criminal", because he hadn't been charged or ran through the court system. These new cops hear one gun shot, more likely from one of their own and blast away at their target. A dozen or so shots hitting the culprit, killing him. Talk about overkill, these new cops need specialized training on when to shoot and what to shoot. It appears a shooting gallery on the streets for them, because they are afraid someone is coming out with a 30 round cop-killing bullet from a automatic WMD. So, don't you think this makes for grand debate on "Stand-Your-Ground" law? America sees their cops doing it, so why can't they.............vigilantism is getting very trending, especially to a mentally disturbed, game-junkie, and red-necked survivalist. Just go out and shoot someone and when you do, shoot him a dozen or more times, riddling his body, so that he can't talk. Now, the Judge can be told, your honor I was defending myself from a aggressive teenager that had his music turned up so loud that it heart my ears. Judge, "I was in pain from the music", so I defended my self when I saw something that looked like a weapon. For all you Zimmerman's out there, clear judgment day is in you future, you will not escape your fate. Maybe starting with the police mentality of horrific shootings may be some truth there, but the police are a mobilized movement with the law on their side. Without them, anarchy reigns, with them America has to find a way to stop the maddening of Gun Violence. Increased Gun distribution is only anti-humanity. America uses guns now to kill too many people. It has changed and we need as humanity a movement to decrease guns in America and impose strict gun control and mental health initiatives.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Sorry Dutch, statistic's shows that most police shootings occur in a 7 yard radius and almost always there are civilians around, even when we enter a property, with a warrant of course, and the person opens fire , there are usually other people present. The media likes to play on the scenes where there is an armed person firing and then there is some type of pursuit, and then the police return fire, makes for good evening news coverage.
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    johnnycee Wrote: Sorry Dutch, statistic's shows that most police shootings occur in a 7 yard radius and almost always there are civilians around, even when we enter a property, with a warrant of course, and the person opens fire , there are usually other people present. The media likes to play on the scenes where there is an armed person firing and then there is some type of pursuit, and then the police return fire, makes for good evening news coverage.
    22 LA Sheriffs indicted by the feds.....more indictments on the horizon.....major corruption....Sheriff baca steps down
  • Democrat
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: Sorry Dutch, statistic's shows that most police shootings occur in a 7 yard radius and almost always there are civilians around, even when we enter a property, with a warrant of course, and the person opens fire , there are usually other people present. The media likes to play on the scenes where there is an armed person firing and then there is some type of pursuit, and then the police return fire, makes for good evening news coverage.
    22 LA Sheriffs indicted by the feds.....more indictments on the horizon.....major corruption....Sheriff baca steps down
    Are you equating corruption ,I assume that is the reason for the sheriff to step down, with police shootings? There are far too many police officers across this country up to and including the command staff that have been found in violation of their oaths of office. I just don't see the correlation between shootings by the police and corruption.
  • Liberal
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: Sorry Dutch, statistic's shows that most police shootings occur in a 7 yard radius and almost always there are civilians around, even when we enter a property, with a warrant of course, and the person opens fire , there are usually other people present. The media likes to play on the scenes where there is an armed person firing and then there is some type of pursuit, and then the police return fire, makes for good evening news coverage.
    22 LA Sheriffs indicted by the feds.....more indictments on the horizon.....major corruption....Sheriff baca steps down
    Are you equating corruption ,I assume that is the reason for the sheriff to step down, with police shootings? There are far too many police officers across this country up to and including the command staff that have been found in violation of their oaths of office. I just don't see the correlation between shootings by the police and corruption.
    You will deny this of course....Creative report-writing is practiced by most police officers in this country....it is felony. Most of you lie in court about circumstances related to arrests....you will also openly deny this...but you know I'm correct...because you sir have done these things, and have gotten full support from your dept and city officials.

    As long as you understand that the police corruption is far greater than you're willing to admit....I've made my point. The jig is up.


    The correlation is that police rookies were usually bullied on the school yards growing up and now have a statement to make.....give that rookie a gun and authority along with full backing from the city...you now have an uneducated, armed young man with a chip on his shoulder. Most citizens believe police are the good guys,,,but you and I know better.

    I'll cite Malik Snell because when you google his name...I knew one of his victims in prison....Dirty ass cops
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Using your logic then you must have been a wannabe cop but couldn't make it, no point in denying this ,because you know its true, and we all know that former convicts have no creditability at all, you can't deny that either, we also know that former convicts will at sometime revert back to their criminal ways if the going gets tough. So am I telling a truth or not?
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    Actually no....I don't have a Captain-save-a-Ho complex. I lived the streets full time. I wasn't convicted of selling nickel bags on the corner. I moved weight


    The credibility comment was expected...I wasn't convicted of a credibility crime.....keep those excuses for court...unless of course....the snitches that you require to do your job miraculously have great credibility...... Your issue is that as long as you snitch your a credible witness......but stand-up people (such as myself) have no credibility.....your argument speaks for itself

    A rat says what you need him to say...never what is, only what's needed. I remember your brother officers in the freeway rick case. The entire task force created to arrest him..... got on the payroll...... you were probably on that payroll....can I get a loan???


  • Democrat
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    I know I wasn't telling the truth , I was making unsubstantiated claims and generalizations of everyone who has ever committed a crime much as you did by claiming all of Law Enforcement is somehow corrupted , some on a very small basis others going to jail for large scale corruption, your wrong of course, but unlike you ,who seem to wear your convictions as some sort of urban badge of honor, any disgraced cop that I know of has never bragged about how corrupt he was or how he maintained some kind of criminal code of conduct while he was betraying his oath both to the city and the citizens who paid his wages but also the betrayal to his fellow officers .
  • Liberal
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    It is a badge of honor. There are no second chances on the yard. there's no lying in there...Not maybe,,, you will get exposed in there. The lions den.
    Those on a level 4 main line are all stand-up....... or you don't walk the yard.

    Softy citizens out here don't understand that....Criminals do not accept authority, which means, eventually, in the event of a future revolution, the new George Washintons may be felons.


    I didn't take an oath on the streets. I lived it.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    You still don't understand.
  • Liberal
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    Exactly.....I'm not attempting to understand you.
  • Other Party
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    sorry folks I removed this as it related to a very early thread and would have been distractive and irrelevant given immediately previous posts. Delete X wouldn't remove it.
  • Independent
    Missouri
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    I think it is safe to say that the entire nation is tired of the shootings that have become all too common. From Columbine to Sandy Hook Elementary school, it seems as if there is no end to these senseless acts of violence. Even if laws on firearms were more expansive, would it really have any impact on crime? Instead of focusing on inanimate objects and playing the blame game, we should consider other factors.
    Saying the NRA advocates murder is just as ridiculous as saying the Brady Campaign is out to ensure the safety of criminals by disarming victims. The NRA may have views that you disagree with, but you can’t blame them for the actions of criminals, especially when the blamed have absolutely no ties to the organization. I’d guess the number of people who committed murder while being a member of the NRA is extremely low. To my knowledge there has never been a study done to see these statistics.
    Although shootings seem to gain a lot of media attention, USA does not have an extremely high crime rate. If you look at: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Total-crimes-per-1000, you will see that USA actually ranks 22nd. Iceland takes the 1st place position, even though they have a ban on all handguns. The U.K. is 4th, they have very extensive gun laws. Our closest neighbor Canada also has a much higher crime rate. Canada heavily regulates firearms and even bans some firearms outright.
    Vice president Joe Biden has even admitted that firearm regulation would have no real impact on crime, or even prevent mass shootings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=covBtaBoR1g.
    People will always find a way to carry out their evil attacks, regardless of whether or not they have a firearm. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/world/asia/china.html?_r=0. Stabbings such as this take place all too often in China. They don’t seem to need a firearm to carry out mass killings there.
    Even though firearms get used in crime, firearms also save lives. http://gunssavelives.net/#. This website documents the use of firearms to save lives.
    As for free search and seizure, the constitution protects against that in the 4th amendment of the Bill of Rights. I don’t think anyone wants to see USA turn into a police state. That’s a scary idea you’re tossing out there. Police using force to control citizens is never a good idea, just look what happened in Germany under Hitler.
    Blaming the NRA and firearms for the acts of disturbed individuals does not address the issues. We need to have a long serious discussion about this issue to reduce the crime rate and prevent gun violence. Instead of blaming other people who have opposing ideas, maybe it would make more sense to have a calm discussion about what can be done to save lives and reduce crime.
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