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  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    Oh my God! Can anyone out there believe it! Incandescent lighting is illegal, because of hated Bush? This is some kind of a joke isn't it? It is bad enough our children are subjected to the stress lights(florescent) in school so they end up on system mind pills, but now we all have no choice? We knew florescent lighting stresses people out since the seventies, yet the system acts like there is nothing wrong, but there something wrong, the system that wants us all on mind pills maybe? This was hated Bush's last attack on the majority, I can't believe he is getting away with it!
  • Center Left Democrat
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    united:


    Don't panic. There is always more to the story than you might think.

    If you know people who watch FOX "news" exclusively, they're going to believe the December 13 headline that screamed " Last light: final phaseout of incandescent bulbs coming January 1".

    http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/12/13/final-phase-out-incandescent-light-bulbs-jan-1/

    If they took the time to read the entire article, though, they'd discover that even Jeremy Kaplan of FOX thinks that more efficient light bulbs are "a bright idea", even though you'd never convince Michelle Bachmann, who introduced the "Light Bulb Freedom of Choice Act"

    Wikiipedia provides a more detailed analysis of the topic, and how it applies in the United States and the rest of the world.

    http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/12/13/final-phase-out-incandescent-light-bulbs-jan-1/

    Here's the information on laws in the United States:

    Individual state efforts

    California will phase out the use of incandescent bulbs by 2018. The bill aims to establish a minimum standard of twenty-five lumens per watt by 2013 and sixty lumens per watt by 2018.[46][47]

    In Connecticut legislation was proposed.[48][49]

    A bill was introduced New Jersey in 2007 that calls for the state to eliminate incandescent bulbs in government buildings over the next three years.[50]

    Federal legislation

    In December 2007, the federal government enacted the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which contains maximum wattage requirements for all general service incandescent lamps producing from 310–2600 lumens of light.[51]

    The efficiency standards will start with 100-watt bulbs and end with 40-watt bulbs. The timeline for these standards was to start in January 2012, but on 16 December 2011, the U.S. House passed the final 2012 budget legislation, which effectively delayed the implementation until October 2012.[52]

    Light bulbs outside of this range are exempt from the restrictions. Also exempt are several classes of specialty lights, including appliance lamps, rough service bulbs, 3-way, colored lamps, stage lighting, plant lights, candelabra lights under 60 watts, outdoor post lights less than 100 watts, nightlights and shatter resistant bulbs.[53]

    The United States Environmental Protection Agency's Energy Star program in March 2008 established rules for labeling lamps that meet a set of standards for efficiency, starting time, life expectancy, color, and consistency of performance. The intent of the program is to reduce consumer concerns about efficient light bulbs due to variable quality of products.[42] Those CFLs with a recent Energy Star certification start in less than one second and do not flicker. Energy Star Light Bulbs for Consumers is a resource for finding and comparing Energy Star qualified lamps.

    By 2020, a second tier of restrictions would become effective, which requires all general-purpose bulbs to produce at least 45 lumens per watt (similar to current CFLs). Exemptions from the Act include reflector flood, 3-way, candelabra, colored, and other specialty bulbs.[54]

    In 2011, Republican House members introduced a Better Use of Light Bulbs Act or BULB Act (H.R. 91), which would have repealed Subtitle B of Title III of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007.[55] H.R. 2417 failed to pass in the U.S. House.[56]
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    united this story is about five years old, I don't know how you could have missed it all this time.

    And if you think that more effecient light bulbs are a bad idea, you should blame the tree huggers, not the ..."hated Bush"... There's plenty of more legitimate reasons to hate Bush.

    I actually know of one person who "stocked up" on the old bulbs several months ago, so maybe if you check around you could find some on the black market.

    Most of America (including me) have been buying and using the new bulbs, and enjoying the savings on our electric bill, for quite some time. All of my bulbs that are used a lot have been CFL's for about 5 years. The only place I have the old energy waster bulbs are my closets.

    Welcome to 2014!
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Have they made any for appliance's ?

  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    I heard something recently that said the old style light bulbs are basically a heat source that also emits light.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Appliance bulbs, not yet. Regular bulbs for appliances still OK for now.

    ..."heat source that also emits light"... Yes up to 90% of energy used is turned into heat, which is a really bad thing in summer when A/C is cranking. Now in the series of "POLAR VORTEX" events that we are experiencing it's not quite so bad.

    Incandescent light bulbs are REALLY old technology.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Unfortunately we heard the same old reasons and arguments when incandescent lighting was introduced to replace whale oil and gas in the early 1900's! People are afraid of change and, unfortunately, if the government or the economy doesn't force changes like this they will never happen. In fifty years people will be complaining they don't want to give up their fluorescent bulbs fir the new whatever is coming along bulbs!
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Is there any truth to the fact these new bulbs are not made here, but are imported from China, and that GE had to let go thousands of their work force because of the ban?
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Is anything made here today? Why do you think there is a dwindling middle class? No jobs other than minimum wage service jobs. It's only going to get worse until we stop all this so called free trade nonsense, I'm afraid!
  • Other Party
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    johnnycee Wrote: Is there any truth to the fact these new bulbs are not made here, but are imported from China, and that GE had to let go thousands of their work force because of the ban?
    I hope that's not the case but wouldn't be surprised.

    I just pulled a CFL bulb down from my bathroom lighting fixture and it's by Phillips...made in China.

    I have a pack of two GE Cool White 100 watt incandescent bulbs that haven't been used yet. The package says "Assembled in the USA" which means most or all of the bulbs parts are made overseas and put together here. I wonder how much they are worth?

    Anyone want to make me an offer for them? Unitedmajority?
  • Center Left
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    pr Wrote: Is anything made here today? Why do you think there is a dwindling middle class? No jobs other than minimum wage service jobs. It's only going to get worse until we stop all this so called free trade nonsense, I'm afraid!
    Yeah,
    I'm doing kitchen and bathroom remodels. I bought two (water saving) toilets that were very expensive. After getting them home I saw that they were made in Mexico. Booooo
  • Center Left Democrat
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    after reading all of the posts above, I took a look at all of the bulbs in our closets to see if any of them were made someplace other than China, and the answer was .... nope ..

    however, if you'd like to buy some bulbs that are made in America, there are some websites where you can still buy them .. they are as follows:

    http://www.aerolights.com/index.html

    http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/LEDAdvancedLight/Home/

    http://www.americansworking.com/lightbulbs.html

    http://www.1000bulbs.com/category/usa-made-led-lighting/

    http://www.lightbulbsdirect.com/page/001/CTGY/USABulbs

    http://www.lightbulbsdirect.com/page/001/CTGY/USABulbs

    I noticed a few of the ads advertised that the bulbs were guaranteed to last 20,000 hours, which would be equal to 55 days if left burning continuously ...

    as further proof that they don't make 'em like they used to, a light bulb in a firehouse in Livermore, California has been burning since it was donated to the firehouse in 1901, and it's still burning today:

    http://www.centennialbulb.org/facts.htm#anchor1972

    the bulb has been burning nearly continuously (with only minor interruptions) since 1901, which means it's been burning for 981,120 hours, or slightly less than 1,000,000 hours ......
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Turning lights on and off is what kills the filaments. The old bulbs were made to sell electricity, not the bulbs themselves, unlike today, they were made to last without regard to power consumption.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    that guy in Arizona,

    You are good at finding answers I know. I guess what made me start this thread was the facts I saw about florescent lights back in the seventies, I posted a thread about this once before. Since the seventies, I have not been able to find any info about the government survey I saw back in the seventies. The survey was done between 2 study groups of adults, one group working an 8 hour day under incandescent lighting and one group working an 8 hour day under florescent lighting. The survey showed that the group working under florescent lighting was more stressed and fatigued than the group of adults working under incandescent lights. This survey proved what the lights did to adults, yet the next thing I knew, all our children got florescent lights in school and the results of this survey have been buried somewhere. Think about it, if the constant flash of a florescent light stresses adults, what is it doing to our children? Allow me to answer, stress caused from florescent lights makes big sales for big pharma mind control drugs, for children being stressed out under florescent lights! I guess big pharma needed more sales, soon we will all be on mind control drugs from florescent lights with the new law.

    So with your great internet skills, I was wondering if you ever came across the results of this survey or any other survey done on florescent lighting?




  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    There us a huge amount of controversy over fluorescent lighting safety vs incandescent lighting and as in most things in life it's a trade off. Like it or not, incandescent lightings day are over. Most likely the newest and safest replacement for it is LED lighting. As usual, the latest improvements in anything are usually more expensive and resisted by the public.

    I think in the near future the solution rests with LED lighting but most certainly in the future newer products will appear and ultimately take over the market as science progresses. Here is a pretty good article describing the uses and benefits of LED lighting vs incandescent and fluorescent lighting.

    http://continuingeducation.construction.com/crs.php?L=223&C=947