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Viet Nam vs Cuba

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  • Democrat
    Kirkwood, MO
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    Why do we do business with Viet Nam and have nothing to do with Cuba?
  • Liberal
    Independent
    Durham, NH
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    Good question!

    A - Politics
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Why do we have completely different immigration policies for people from Cuba and Haiti?
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Another good question!


    answer: Politics.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    We do business in/with Vietnam because business owners (rich guys who can make big political contributions) can pay slave wages and increase their profits. We could also pay slave labor wages to those in Cuba and save a fortune in shipping costs of materials and finished goods. But, too many remember the Cuban missile crisis and want Castro to be their whipping boy, poster child for not challenging the USA. I believe Cuba will soon open up for the reason of tourism. It's just 90 miles away. After a million tourists have enjoyed the vacation and a fine Cuban cigar, perhaps then we'll open up to ways for the rich business owners to get richer 90 miles away.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Tony is right when he says ..."Cuba will soon open up for the reason of tourism"...

    Question: What's another word for tourism?

    Answer: Money

    Castro is still in charge, maybe it's not Fidel, but Raul, the infidel hand shaker, but it's STILL a Castro, and grudges die hard. I agree with Tony that Cuba will open up but I don't know if ..."soon"... will be a year, a decade, or even longer. It has already shown some signs of progress.

    Talk to Cubans who have made it to the USA, mostly in Florida, and ask them about their relatives who have been jailed or worse for their political views. Their opinions count because they know personally things we only hear about. And Cuban Americans have a lot of influence in all Florida politics.

    One last point: How many electoral votes does Florida have?
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Florida has too many electoral votes!
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    The correct answer is 29, I think.

    29 electoral votes matter, so therefore, Cuban Americans matter.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    I wonder why the conservatives never seem to say "Send the Cubans back"? The Cubans, as a whole, trend to be Republicans for some reason.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    pr Wrote: I wonder why the conservatives never seem to say "Send the Cubans back"? The Cubans, as a whole, trend to be Republicans for some reason.
    Yeah, most Cubans here fare better than other Latino's; I guess they've been here longer and know the game.
    Getting back to comparison between Cuba and Vietnam, I consider both an American dilemma. It shows the continuous mistake we make to want to reform the world; if we do not succeed in that we either "block/negate them or try to take advantage of their manpower or resources. The weird thing with Vietnam is however, we bombed, napalmed them day and night; now we bow and buy our sports shoes etc. from there, without feeling guilty or have any remorse.
    Then about Cuba, we tried to invade it, but it did not work. Since then we "blocked" them, because at one time they hooked up with the Russians.
    Sorry to say that our government determines who it wants to be our friend or enemy ; enemy's are created by certain actions; in this case indeed because of the missile crisis we have become enemy's. But why stay that for about 50 years? Ridiculous indeed. Thus I guess a lot of fault lies here; so who has the guts to solve this and get things back to a normal relation?
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Like I said, a Castro is still in charge, and maybe that shouldn't matter, but to our government it matters a lot.

    Why? Those 29 votes.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    I think that "A" Castro being in charge does have an effect. The fact that it's Raul not Fidel helps a lot. If Fidel lived another 50 years, the US wouldn't entertain the idea during his life. I think that he'll pass in the next 5 years (though I would not wish that on anyone). At that time the door eases open a bit. Everyone loves the idea of doing what they've been told they can not. Therefore, I think shortly after it opens up the tourism will be huge. Imagine a 20 minute flight from Miami, 1 hr from Atlanta, 3 1/2 hr from Chicago, 3 hr from Houston/Dallas.
    I've known a guy from Cuba, great guy, hard worker, very good person. I've heard on tv that in Cuba, if you're a resident.....you can't go to the nice hotels and/or restaurants. Even if you can afford it. It's reserved for tourists.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Well, of course, when you back the crooked, Mafia backed, regime instead of the revolutionaries and you loose, it's difficult to say "Sorry, we backed the wrong side, as usual!". Didn't learn anything a few years later when we decided to "save Vietnam-Nam ", obviously.

    More money to be made fighting wars than helping people survive, I guess.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    pr Wrote: Well, of course, when you back the crooked, Mafia backed, regime instead of the revolutionaries and you loose, it's difficult to say "Sorry, we backed the wrong side, as usual!". Didn't learn anything a few years later when we decided to "save Vietnam-Nam ", obviously.

    More money to be made fighting wars than helping people survive, I guess.
    Pgr,when Cuba opens up we should go there; pick up some old cars to restore they've got plenty!!
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Dutch, They do have many old cars and the best mechanics in the world. This is because they can't get replacement parts. So, they have to rebuild parts or fabricate new parts to solve their problem. Getting by with what you have even when you don't have much.