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NSA changes to be made

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  • Center Left
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    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/16/22328345-obama-to-propose-key-changes-in-data-collection-program?lite

    It's a start. Many think major changes are needed and hopefully more changes will follow. But as I said, it's a start.
  • Democrat
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    Obama made a great speech to the public, as he related the problems of being in the position of safeguarding America both in our freedom of keeping our secrets and at the same time keeping our freedoms from terror. The metadata collection was further defined as typical data your phone company keeps on all of us. If there is a phone number use to known terror activity, than NSA will have the support to do additional data collection. That just makes sense. To what Snowden did to us, Obama would not give the Snowden issue any comment, however, it was clear that what Snowden provided to the public is what every other country in the world is also doing. It's just that America appears to do it better. If any law that Snowden broke, it would be that he divulged security information that all terrorists in the world now know that this is how America is collecting data. I assume that many terror groups that have any desire to destroy America and has a technical know-how to do this, already knows how America is collecting data. All Snowden did was release this information throughout the world, now everybody knows how the NSA operates. America will not know the damage for many years to come. This forces NSA into a new mode of, "what do we do now". Snowden threw the monkey wrench into NSA's operation making it more difficult to protect America.

    Can you image how long it can take to get a warrant the way the Left hammers the Right on? If the NSA and law authorities are looking for terror threat and trying to stop something like a WMD going off, how long does it take to find the "right" judge to get authorization? There has to be safeguards, but there has to be common sense to thwart an attempt on American lives. I don't want to be the politician that has to explain to the dead's families that we couldn't get a warrant fast enough to stop a terror threat.

    America you just got a dose of how difficult it is collect data in America and route intelligence around to stop terror. National security should be number 1 and not some political flavor for the Right to take against the common good of America. I gladly give up my personal data if it keeps terror from attacking our freedoms. As for the Right often saying the "our fore father's of our country would not have approved of this collection of data". That's bogus like apples and oranges. Our fore fathers could never have had the vision of terror as it is today, communications, and computer networks. It is imperative that monitoring communication activity in America and around the world is extremely important to counter threats to America.
  • Other Party
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    ..."Obama made a great speech to the public"...

    President Obama ALWAYS makes great speeches. He could sell ice to Eskimos. This is exactly how he got elected...making great speeches telling his audience what they want to hear.

    The question is: Why should anyone believe him?

    He's told so many lies to us over the past few years, what possible reason does anyone have for believing him now?

    And even if he's telling the truth, who's to say that what he said is going to happen like he says? Some people believe that things such as spying for national security is too important to be left up to the president.

    The NSA could lie to the president just like the president lies to us and just like magic, it's "business as usual".

    I'm not saying the president is lying, I'm saying that actions are more important than words. Especially with his track record. Would it surprise anyone if the NSA were caught still doing the same spying on all of us 6 months, or a year, or 2 years from now? Not me.

    I hope that he was speaking the truth and that the NSA does what he said they would, but the president has lost too much credibility so I'm skeptical. I absolutely WANT to believe him, but I just have my doubts.
  • Democrat
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    There has to be a lot of merit and common sense in monitoring America, because I just saw a number of 8000 kids a year are claimed missing. I would believe that monitoring communications in the American public and in the world that maybe our nation's security initiatives could provide leads to solve some of the missing. Why there are so many each year is depressing and one would think that maybe law enforcement is prohibited in searching communications for missing kids and there is only the authorization to search for terrorists. I don't know, but I would break open the dam prohibiting the search and allow numerous criminal behaviors to be located.

    It's not just terrorists, it's criminal behavior and mentally ill/sick that prey on all of America. Let's help government and law authorities find them all. Just yesterday, I heard a child pornography ring busted that had world implications and I think I heard the Catholic Church was involved. I watching the media for more on this claim. It's getting so depressing to listen to this happening, which further makes me support all efforts including spying on everyone to rid America of this disease.
  • Democrat
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    Anytime a government starts to categorize it's citizens and have eyes on them ,is the beginning of the end, I for one, do not believe that any government with this type of ability will use it in an altogether altruistic manner.
  • Center Left
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    AMC, I think you're a bit too worried about terrorists. I agree we should continue to watch those who could and would do harm. I sure as hell don't want the NSA to be watching me because I'm not a person who could or would do any harm. Therefore stay out of my business.

    Recently there was the personal banking data stolen from those who had shopped at Target. I was one. My bank sent me a new Debit card so I believe I'm safe. They said on the news that the issue could be much bigger than effecting just Target. The data compromise could be huge. While trying to resolve the corruption involved in stealing personal data..... They stated that some of the code used in stealing the data was written in Russian. Hmmmm.
  • Center Left
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    Just watched Obama's speech, in full... I really, really want to believe everything that Obama is saying. I really do. I just don't. I believe some of it and I appreciate the history lesson and his attempt to completely put this controversy in historical context. But, I fear men that operate in the shadows with super-powerful spying toys. It's terrifying. Obama doesn't scare me. But, NSA's ability alone does. I hope his measures reign in this machine, at least a little. As always, Obama orates like no other.

    Here's the DHub link to President Obama's Full NSA Speech made today, added just a few minutes ago. It's embedded so you can view it on this site, without having to go to Youtube to watch it.

    http://dhub.us/video/12143.aspx
  • Democrat
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    TJ, I'm sure you would appreciate the spying if it helped stop pedophiles and those that exploit children and adults selling them into devious slavery. I believe that sensible humanitarian initiatives will take over and condition our responses to accept spying through out America. It is those who have something to hide that would not support NSA or any law enforcement activity prying into our communications and activities. People are genuinely good, however I believe that most cheat on taxes, drive recklessly, steal from helpless citizens, prey on the weak and plot the overthrow of any government action. There are people that are devious in their thinking and use every technological means to plan and execute an attack on American citizens. The NSA, CIA, Secret Service, DEA, DHS, and all law enforcement activity needs every tool that can be developed to fight an increasing battle against our people. I firmly believe, if you got something to hide, you must be doing something wrong.

    Use of the drones, monitoring communications and cameras at all public venues should help in the cause of eliminating crime and terror. The illegal drugs coming into this country is a booming business that any CEO would envy. What is the cost of life for all this crime? Is it worth it to oppose the government and deny them the authority to monitor? You sure don't save anybody by opposing law enforcement. It doesn't make sense.

    It will get better because we have common sense people that find ways to monitor all of us. This opposition will not last and spying will become as common as TV sets, cell phones and personal computers. It will be a way of life and we will find it safer to live by than the threat of crime. If anyone feels they are threatened by all this, go live on another planet.
  • Center Left
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    AMC, I just don't think like you do. I think the big problem in this country is US citizens killing or hurting other US citizens. Plus I feel that my right to privacy doesn't have to go down the drain because we've pissed off a lot of people in the middle east. I am not ready to give up my freedoms so the govt. can spy on us all in case there's someone out there who might want to do bad things. There will always be bad people out there of all races, nationalities, and religious or no religious beliefs. You can't spy your way into safety.
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote: AMC, I just don't think like you do. I think the big problem in this country is US citizens killing or hurting other US citizens. Plus I feel that my right to privacy doesn't have to go down the drain because we've pissed off a lot of people in the middle east. I am not ready to give up my freedoms so the govt. can spy on us all in case there's someone out there who might want to do bad things. There will always be bad people out there of all races, nationalities, and religious or no religious beliefs. You can't spy your way into safety.
    Tony, you are right. My guess is that the social structure here in the US is totally out of balance; it starts already with our kids education and parental control. If you see that also the media, because of all our new toys, can influence our kids with the stupidity of Honey Boo Boo. the Robertson Redneck show and other lower grade things like Bieber etc., Then you can spy like crazy but the country will still go down the drain because of its mentality. I think people like Murdock (not even an American) belong in jail by spewing all this crap at our youth. So again the enemy is within the States not outside; it is the media who infiltrates the young kids minds; I fear once they are grown up it will have its consequences on the country.
  • Democrat
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    You must also throw into that mix, our own corrupt political system ,from the local up to and including the national level of politics, it's disgraceful the way political business is conducted in the nation, and some wonder why this country is failing in so many ways , school systems are out of whack, the infrastructure is falling apart, cities going broke, and the poor getting poorer. And we are worried about terrorists hurting us, we do a much better job at killing and maiming ourselves than any terrorist organization could ever dream about.
  • Democrat
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    There is a potent force within our borders that preys on our country, from scamming our seniors, sex slavery of our children, a illegal drug industry that harbors home manufacture, and to the deprived people sufficiently deviate to plot attacks favoring their desire for human suffering. When it happens near you, it will be clear and you will understand it is not all about terror from the middle east or around the world. It is terror experienced to Americans within our nation. If spying on these home fronts can help prevent people from being murdered, enslaved and becoming sick from drugs than I see no problem with supporting our nations spy agencies and law enforcement to do what is necessary to prevent crime. Anybody that feels that they see no terror at their doorstep and only use the media as evidence of terror abroad is not in reality. We all hope that something like 9-11 doesn't occur again, however, more people are endangered annually from terror that is not from other countries. It is here, in America, and for that reason, I can see how groups like the NRA can justify their stand for arming America. I don't like it because it produces more weapons for Americans to kill each other, but people are arming themselves more each day because they have experienced terror in America. I hate seeing the media reporting of a homeowner killing a relative because it was dark, they were scared for their life for the intrusion and they had a gun in their hands to defend themselves. When the lights come on, the homeowner realizes their child or relative was shot and killed by their hands. That is the nature of the fear experience by homegrown terror inside America. What are you going to do? Lay down, hands up in the air, plead for mercy as the criminal will perform what ever they like to you? Most people who never had a gun before will immediately go to purchase one to defend their life, family and property. Solve the crime and terror within America with strict monitoring, have law enforcement enabled to respond efficiently and with fast effectiveness, prosecute crime and allow monitoring as evidence of pursuing an end to their evil agendas.

    Yes, it is not only terror abroad, it's right here in good ole USA.
  • Center Left
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    AMC, You are carrying too much fear. Maybe you need to move to a safer neighborhood. Lock the doors and stop worrying. Spy's aren't going to make you safe. You have to live and let live. Be cautious, but honestly 98% of the world is not out to get you. The crazies you see on the news are a small percentage that can typically be avoided.
  • Democrat
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    The best thing about technological advancements in telecommunications and journalism is that everything that burps in society gets covered in the news. With that in mind, what goes on in all neighborhoods gets media exposure. So, we now have school shootings, mall shootings, movie theater shootings, depraved sexual crazy people preying on children, slavery, scumbag politicians, scam attacks on personal finances, ...............I don't need to continue, I think you get the picture. This is a normal day in America and other countries in the world. Terrorism like 9-11 and all the war conflicts America has in the world gets a 60 second exposure during the first interval of the news, than all the normal bad news comes.

    I do hate to watch the news, but I hold out hope for the good feel stuff, the human interest story and the Johnny did this in his 1st grade class. There are some good news events, but here is an overwhelming terror happening in the world and in YOUR neighborhood. Of all the news that makes it to media-village, there are numerous scenarios of deviate behavior, dangerous attacks, people held victim and mass dosages of illegal drugs being distributed that haven't made it to the headlines, yet.

    If you think I'm living in fear, no, I'm living numb to all the violence and greed that is happening. Fear is only a mindset where a person is incapable of speaking and defending against the terror. I speak for the victims that are unable and I speak for the ignorance of people that refuse to see the reality of terror taking shape around the world. I never understand why people allow other people to be victims and not help them. It's like the Good Samaritan story in the Bible. Most people may see or hear of the problems in America, their neighborhood, and in the world, but they pass by ignoring the cry for help. The world is waiting for the Good Samaritan to walk by.

    First, support strict Gun Control. Second, expose the criminal element with support in monitoring people's communications and activities. Third, support mental health initiatives (ACA included), because there sure are a lot of sick people. Like I always say: "God is Great, Beer is Good, and People are Crazy.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: The best thing about technological advancements in telecommunications and journalism is that everything that burps in society gets covered in the news. With that in mind, what goes on in all neighborhoods gets media exposure. So, we now have school shootings, mall shootings, movie theater shootings, depraved sexual crazy people preying on children, slavery, scumbag politicians, scam attacks on personal finances, ...............I don't need to continue, I think you get the picture. This is a normal day in America and other countries in the world. Terrorism like 9-11 and all the war conflicts America has in the world gets a 60 second exposure during the first interval of the news, than all the normal bad news comes.

    I do hate to watch the news, but I hold out hope for the good feel stuff, the human interest story and the Johnny did this in his 1st grade class. There are some good news events, but here is an overwhelming terror happening in the world and in YOUR neighborhood. Of all the news that makes it to media-village, there are numerous scenarios of deviate behavior, dangerous attacks, people held victim and mass dosages of illegal drugs being distributed that haven't made it to the headlines, yet.

    If you think I'm living in fear, no, I'm living numb to all the violence and greed that is happening. Fear is only a mindset where a person is incapable of speaking and defending against the terror. I speak for the victims that are unable and I speak for the ignorance of people that refuse to see the reality of terror taking shape around the world. I never understand why people allow other people to be victims and not help them. It's like the Good Samaritan story in the Bible. Most people may see or hear of the problems in America, their neighborhood, and in the world, but they pass by ignoring the cry for help. The world is waiting for the Good Samaritan to walk by.

    First, support strict Gun Control. Second, expose the criminal element with support in monitoring people's communications and activities. Third, support mental health initiatives (ACA included), because there sure are a lot of sick people. Like I always say: "God is Great, Beer is Good, and People are Crazy.
    First of all it's been proven that stricter gun control does not reduce crime.


    Second : the criminal element has already been exposed but lax enforcement of the laws has rendered local law enforcement to a reaction type of response which often means nothing.

    Third: what type of monitoring are we talking about, NSA type or a Comp-Stat. initiative program

    and finally we come to your fourth suggestion, the idea of violating the HIPPA Act especially now with the mid terms on the horizon is not going to happen.

    The world is not waiting for the Good Samaritan (USA) to walk by , they are waiting for the USA to get knock down a few notches for its arrogance and pride in all that we do.