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Americas poorest and richest cities

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  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    http://money.msn.com/investing/americas-poorest-and-richest-citiesand

    Seems like California, DC the NE part of the country is doing best. The south and Texas are doing worst. On this site, there's a section where you can scroll through 11 cities that are high or low on the list.

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  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    No surprises here are there! I guess religion and Republican values don't equate with affluence (unless of course if you're the mayor and preach at that local church).
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Just on the news: Fargo ND, is the drunkenest city in the USA; They did not say who came in second; may be a little town in the middle of nowhere?
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    If you lived in an area that had -40 degree weather during the winter and snow up to your neck, I think I would be drunk most of the time too. I'm just surprised that Fargo, ND has a good economy, but heck it's in the middle of nowhere. It does have an airport, which I remember talking to a technician about repairing his weather station on airport. I asked him what the conditions were outside and he responded -42 with a wind chill around -65. We both laughed, I guess that weather station wasn't getting fixed that day.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Just stay away from anyone who invites you over to see their new "chipper" ;)
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Flagstaff, AZ
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    Dutch:


    I've only been to Fargo once, and it was a LONG time ago

    I made a business trip with 3 co-workers in February of 1979, and the weather on the morning after we arrived was -30 degrees. The oddest part of the trip was that we returned to Minneapolis on a jet that was owned by Aloha Airlines.

    I never went back, and I have since passed on the still unopened the bottle of Everclear (190 proof) that I bought when I was up there.



    There's a variety of lists for "the drunkest city in America" (Men's Health, the Weather Channel etc) but the list you are referring to was put together by the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/eats/fargo-n-deemed-drunkest-city-america-article-1.1579571

    On their list, Columbus, Nebraska was #2, followed by Missoula, Fort Collins, and Brookings. The common thread seems to be that all of those places can get cold in the winter. The record low temperature for Fargo is -48.

    That same logic also seems to bear out for the list of the drunkest COUNTRIES, which are (in order):

    1) Moldova
    2) Czech Republic
    3) Russia
    4) Ukraine
    5) Estonia

    Although North Dakota is now awash with money from oil sands drilling in the west, Fargo seems to be prospering from a diversified economy. Due to the fact that Fargo has consistently had one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country, a low crime rate, and affordable housing, Money magazine has consistently rated Fargo as one of America's "most livable cities".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargo,_North_Dakota


    Would I move there?

    Not a chance.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Ever Clear Grain that brings back memories. Here's a sea story! On the Navy's ICBM submarines (Boomers), one maintenance routine required using the good grain alcohol. The government purchased Grain Alcohol and it did not come in the bottle shown in the picture, but was more generic. However, the label contained the words, "Ever Clear Grain Alcohol", so it was the same stuff. It came in pint bottles and 12 to a case. The ICBM's back in those days needed alignment prisms cleaned for a laser shooting a beam down the rows of missile tubes. The alignment helped make a clear calculation determining position and no flexing of the submarine as it travels. Anyway, it was an old method used over 30 years ago. Today, I doubt they use this method anymore. The Grain Alcohol was used to keep the glass prisms clean for laser diffraction. Methyl Alcohol left residue and grain alcohol was the best cleaning agent. Guess what sailors would do with Grain Alcohol and cans of grape juice from the mess hall? Woohoo!!! I heard later in my career somebody in Navy questioned the cases of Ever Clear Grain Alcohol being ordered because one pint would last 2-3 years on the submarine. Submarines were ordering cases each cruise. Boys just want to have fun, it's boring out there for several months under water.

    Thank you for the picture of Ever Clear. I almost forgot the good times.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    In the big picture, given the choice, I wouldn't want to live in either extreme. If I had to choose, a rich city has to be beneficial but it the poorer cities, there are probably a couple good diners with good food. As I get older, a good old fashion - well cooked meal is increasingly important to me.
    What we all want is low crime, city services, good weather, good housing, decent citizens, good restaurants, convenient goods and services, decent parks/nature, good medical services available, other citizens who aren't suffering hardships of any sort.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    I live in a big city, but I desire a small town. Small Town, USA is what I seek. I realize that politics in small towns can be brutal with a lot of intimidation from local Sheriff, Mayor and even down to the school's Librarian. The rule in small town is very cliché and if your not part of the group you are part of the problem. In bigger towns and cities this is not as apparent because you have a population in masse that can turn on the local politics swinging votes. Smaller towns keep their families close and vote in total agreement. Even corruption can be accepted if everyone gets paid. Town bullies are known and if they get out of control, they end up killed on Main Street with the Sheriff and local law enforcement sweeping it up and no one in specific gets arrested. Yes, America does have these small towns, however, the advantages of the small town is many.

    You can have a good group of friends, a great local diner, an adequate local store for goods, a country Doctor (if lucky) and the law can be a little lax because your Sheriff is a cousin. Property and other taxes are often low. The local economy may not be great, but you got friends that come to your aid. Watch a large corporation come into a small town and there's massive doses of happy going around.

    There are some disadvantages that plagued small towns with drugs and corruption. If the town doesn't stand up to the threats than crime can control the towns population.

    Big cities seem to have the rich economy unless your Detroit. The big city can be hurt from a major industry loosing out to competition and bad management.

    Rich areas of the country generally have high taxes to pay for all those benefits in trash pickup, street cleaning, water and sewer, utilities, police and fire protection. Poor areas may not have as much in benefits because they can't pay for it, but they make up for it with community action. There are bad small towns just like there are bad cities. I don't think being rich is any advantage over a poor town that has good friends and the basic necessities. Those golf courses, shopping malls, buses, trains, insane numbers of cars, stalled traffic, noise pollution, and numerous street lights all seem to make living in a big city a disadvantage to enjoying our Earth's treasures. To walk out into your backyard and hear the bugs singing, birds chirping, watching billions of stars in the sky, and knowing peace at last is Heaven on Earth. The big city rich or not just doesn't have the magic.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Most cities were at one time a small town, but industry and the resultant jobs spurred growth both in population and size, then cities became the focal point of politics and the drama that was sure to follow, the convince of shopping and attending neighborhood schools was also a big plus in the population growth, but when the industry left, the schools declined in quality and then the various social programs took over in hopes of re-invigorating the local economy but that also met with failure, so what was left was a population dependent on social services with little or no input into the local tax base, this why most of our larger cities are failing , no money for the local infrastructure, very little new industry to of set the cost of these services, and so many of our city's become a service oriented business, hotels. motels, restaurant, hospital staffing, and also here in philly we have three major collages that tremendously help our employment picture, but most these jobs are maybe not at the minumim wage level but not far from it, it's difficult to grow an economy with that tax base.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: I live in a big city, but I desire a small town. Small Town, USA is what I seek. I realize that politics in small towns can be brutal with a lot of intimidation from local Sheriff, Mayor and even down to the school's Librarian. The rule in small town is very cliché and if your not part of the group you are part of the problem. In bigger towns and cities this is not as apparent because you have a population in masse that can turn on the local politics swinging votes. Smaller towns keep their families close and vote in total agreement. Even corruption can be accepted if everyone gets paid. Town bullies are known and if they get out of control, they end up killed on Main Street with the Sheriff and local law enforcement sweeping it up and no one in specific gets arrested. Yes, America does have these small towns, however, the advantages of the small town is many.

    You can have a good group of friends, a great local diner, an adequate local store for goods, a country Doctor (if lucky) and the law can be a little lax because your Sheriff is a cousin. Property and other taxes are often low. The local economy may not be great, but you got friends that come to your aid. Watch a large corporation come into a small town and there's massive doses of happy going around.

    There are some disadvantages that plagued small towns with drugs and corruption. If the town doesn't stand up to the threats than crime can control the towns population.

    Big cities seem to have the rich economy unless your Detroit. The big city can be hurt from a major industry loosing out to competition and bad management.

    Rich areas of the country generally have high taxes to pay for all those benefits in trash pickup, street cleaning, water and sewer, utilities, police and fire protection. Poor areas may not have as much in benefits because they can't pay for it, but they make up for it with community action. There are bad small towns just like there are bad cities. I don't think being rich is any advantage over a poor town that has good friends and the basic necessities. Those golf courses, shopping malls, buses, trains, insane numbers of cars, stalled traffic, noise pollution, and numerous street lights all seem to make living in a big city a disadvantage to enjoying our Earth's treasures. To walk out into your backyard and hear the bugs singing, birds chirping, watching billions of stars in the sky, and knowing peace at last is Heaven on Earth. The big city rich or not just doesn't have the magic.
    Sure, you paint a right picture; however the future may not be the same. Why? Because certain elements of the big cities carry over to the small towns; like aircraft overflight polution; water polution via the rivers, drugs and influence via the media, TV etc. And especially in small towns they love their guns; so no more squirels, deer, rabbits or other animals in sight. (not gun sights)
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    I live in a small town. it covers many square miles. Population is just over 15,000. Have lived here about 18 years. Many farms. Neighbors wave when you drive by. Various problems but a small fraction as compared to the city. Lived in Columbus, Ohio (1+ mil) my first 35 years. Had 3 kids in public school system. One day we got a letter from the elementary school saying that students should not wear certain colors because they could be considered "Gang colors". To us, it meant it was time to move. We moved about 20 miles outside of the city. Much better life and the city is close enough to drive to for work or anything else.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    TJ Wrote: I live in a small town. it covers many square miles. Population is just over 15,000. Have lived here about 18 years. Many farms. Neighbors wave when you drive by. Various problems but a small fraction as compared to the city. Lived in Columbus, Ohio (1+ mil) my first 35 years. Had 3 kids in public school system. One day we got a letter from the elementary school saying that students should not wear certain colors because they could be considered "Gang colors". To us, it meant it was time to move. We moved about 20 miles outside of the city. Much better life and the city is close enough to drive to for work or anything else.
    So the "everclear" is bountifull; I'll drink to that; any squirels around?
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Many squirels, in fact this year we have a white one. It always picks up my spirits when I see it because it just unusual. Yes guns are big everywhere but I almost never see one. Another benefit of living next to a 55 acre farm is you can burn fires in a fire pit. That's important because with 30+ trees you get a lot of sticks, twigs, branches to pick up.