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Quit Hiding, Gun Control will not go away

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  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Today is an anniversary, which is of the nature America would like it to disappear. The NRA would especially appreciate this anniversary to go away and the whole idea of Gun Control be squashed. So, what kind of person sticks his/her head in the sand and say something like, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."? I am amazed to see my monthly advertisements in the mail from Cabela's and Bass Pro and this year they both have more assault looking weapons advertised than the hunting arms I'm used to seeing and use. AK looking crap designs that make some idiot look like Rambo with large clip magazines to hunt some defenseless little rabbit. I still like my friend I go camping with in the Boy scouts that also works at Bass Pro, who says he sees the idiots wearing their open-carry guns into the store with the character of, "I'm bad, I'm bad. He and other store employees mark them for idiots with guns.

    Well NRA and the bear killing Palin, Gun Control discussion will not go away and many Americans are beginning to stand-up more. Why? Because their children are getting killed by other kids or idiots with guns. Control the person and you can control the gun. Control the gun and you can stop the madness of idiots using powerful anti-person weapons. Gun Control movement is just getting started. The past two years politics and the NRA has won a few rounds with the media, but they couldn't stop the killing. Some 190 kids were killed this year alone. There something horrible with this philosophy of having a freedom to won a gun and to kill people. Stand-your-ground law will not work much longer and gun advocates will not be able to use this much longer.

    I definitely am not asking for a new gun this Christmas. The 50+ year old arms shoot well, provide me adequate protection and fun to hunt in-season game for my dinner. Although my wife won't cook it for me. I'm not starting a war with humanity, so that AK crap in the stores will not get a penny of my spending. At the rate these new weapons are selling to the public, you'll see a Tazer mounted AK-47 some day. You Tazer your victim and as he is unable to fight back you shoot him with thirty rounds from your large capacity magazine.

    So, Happy Anniversary to all the children shot at that school. My heart goes out to the parents of those children and any children killed the past several years due to gun violence. The NRA and their paid politicians sure wish Gun Control would go away. When Hell freezes over!
  • Independent
    Minnesota
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    The gun control debate seems to never add that control laws were broken to begin with. I understand your frustration and why, as a vet and an educator I view this debate much differently. But I'm concerned with your statement here:

    "Control the person and you can control the gun. Control the gun and you can stop the madness of idiots using powerful anti-person weapons."

    Hindsight is 20/20 so a collectivist answer would mean the control of an element of the populace that government perceives as those with most potential to do harm. In your case your camping buddy, Palin, and members of the NRA. So of course history shows us that mass executions and imprisonments does not solve the problem but creates a new one. Controlling the gun, I know you know this, can't stop madness, but what I'm assuming your saying is to stop the madmen from killing people. That too is a fallacy. As a vet I view the gun as a tool, with one purpose, to throw lead really fast to your target. Whether it be an animal, paper, or human. But a tool none the less. Controlling the action of throwing to cause harm is already controlled by law, but to control it by force could mean removing (controlling) all potential objects that can be thrown, or removing the arms.

    I have to agree with libertarian Ron Paul's statement "we don't have a gun problem in America, we have a moral one." That is the teacher side of me. I don't advocate a lazy approach to a problem but I'm always challenging my students to put effort into doing it right. I see the whole gun debate as a lazy approach to a moral problem, which will take great effort to correct. The mother of this man who killed those children angers me the most. Without question her inaction (laziness) had a great impact to his immorality. For an individual who is clinically unbalanced in the way that he was, you don't put them in a room by themselves to continue to sink deeper into their thoughts. That individual should have been enrolled in some activity focused group to keep his mind more actively balanced. We share the same frustration, just have differing perceptions of the road to take.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    A response to the gun is just a tool to throw lead really fast at...............whoever or whatever. I'm a Vietnam veteran and I realize there are genuine uses for gun to use in defense or military action, however I dispute the gun as a tool for anybody that just wants to throw lead fast at anything, including human beings, children and animals (with no desire to consume). What this message is that may be taught to students is like pouring gasoline on a fire. You only place intensity to a growing problem in gun violence. The gun or tool, whatever, needs to be controlled and if you think that laws are already developed to do this, you are sadly mistaken. Because if the law worked, we would not be having the violence by use of guns in America. The law does not work. PERIOD!

    I am one of many that stands to voice that non-Gun Control is a serious threat in America. There is no gun control when anybody can show up at stores and gun shows and purchase a weapon and have it delivered over the counter within minutes of the transaction. Any sick person with an agenda can have his way very easy. That is why we need gun control for the purchase and it needs to go further with the types of weapons being sold. In Vietnam, we had a lot of Rambo types who got into the action, but America is not Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, North Korea or any other country America is engaged with for military dominance. America is home for our families, children and mostly innocent people that don't need to fear a gun even if it is called a tool. A "tool", is just an excuse for calling a gun what it isn't. It's a damn weapon and should be controlled at all costs and control is meant as to the type, use and the person who exercises the right to fire. So, keep pouring the gasoline on the fire, because thought processes like that will never solve America's problems.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    it appears that so many think that more gun control is necessary to lessen the impact of gun violence when in fact its the problem with the mentally ill that is the problem, all of the recent mass murders that have occurred lately is a result of either the meds not being taken or the subject has refused treatment, so therein lies your answer, with so much emphasis being applied to the HIPPA rules, its a wonder that any of them are treated and also known, I firmly believe that all background checks should include a mental health background check. This not an answer to the complete picture of preventing gun violence but it is a start.

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    Durham, NH
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    Some would observe that anyone wanting or feeling the need for a gun is mentally disturbed already! Just sayin'
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    ..."Some 190 kids killed this year alone"... by guns. That's a tragedy, no doubt.

    How many kids killed this year alone driving while texting? How many kids killed this year alone driving while drinking? How many kids killed this year driving while talking on their cell phones? How many kids killed this year alone driving while smoking dope?

    Those are also tragedies.

    School shooters, mentally ill or not, are criminals, and criminals do not care how many more gun laws are passed.

    There are more than 300 million people in America and more than 300 million guns in America.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    .....and America stands alone in the world with the highest number of gun deaths as compared with all other countries. The four other countries with highest number of gun deaths are far below the number from America. America has over four times the number of deaths and rising than any country in the world. If the thinking is that automobile deaths, cancer, lightning, job hazards are causing more deaths, fine that's another problem separate from Gun violence. Let gun violence stand alone, quit changing the subject, which is what the NRA and moronic politics wants America to confuse the issue on GUN CONTROL. Gun Control is what it is and should not be compared with any other death cause. Gun control is about making illegal what should be illegal and imposing stricter law on gun purchasing. Many in America don't even want to control the purchase of a gun, especially manufacturers and the NRA. It's about guns not cars, boats, trucks, or rocks.

    CNN had a special on today about Gun Control and Violence narrated by Suptra (sp). It was good and contributed much to this discussion that should continue. It will not be long for someone you know close will encounter a senseless killing by some idiot with a gun he/she should not have. Is that what will change your mind?
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    pr Wrote: Some would observe that anyone wanting or feeling the need for a gun is mentally disturbed already! Just sayin'

    So all hunters, police and other Law Enforcement Agencies including the Secret Service are mentally ill/disturbed for needing and wanting to protect you and I from those who wish to do great harm to us. Just saying!
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    just saying, your confusing the moment.............The recent news stories from CNN from Sanjay Gupta and Fareed Zakaria bring us close to the problems of guns in America. As compared to all other countries in the world America is not working toward peaceful existence within its borders keeping people safe from gun violence. America overwhelms the world in deaths within it's borders due to gun violence. Mental health, gun violence, very little control on guns and obstructing better laws to control gun purchasing are stories abundant in reporting on our country's serious issues. Those that don't want to solve the issue try to confuse the moment with comparisons that don't hold water. You have a hole in that bucket.

    A statistic that I found alarming was our veterans returning home from service 20% have serious mental health issues. One in five returning veterans commit suicide with a gun within the first year. That's pretty poor for America. It's as if America doesn't give a damn and the more guns the more merry life goes on. Gun control is my priority.
  • Other Party
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    Amc I'm not trying to change any subject. I'm just pointing out that however many kids are killed by guns, whatever that number is, it is far too many, but we need to keep it in perspective. Lots of kids die from lots of causes. Any number more than zero is unacceptable. The TV show you watched was timed to the one year anniversary of Sandy Hook because that was very big news. That incident was such big news because of the large number of victims in one incident, and because they were so young.

    Now there was a school shooting this week in Colorado and only the shooter is dead so far, thank goodness, but if news reports are correct the gun was a 12 gage pump shotgun that he bought legally. The reason that is important is that type of weapon would be about the last type weapon that would be affected by any new gun control laws.

    Was this kid crazy? Maybe, but if his record was clear it is very possible that he could have passed any mental evaluation test given. Sometimes people are smart enough to answer questions that do not belie their true intentions.

    So...what gun control laws do you propose that would make a difference, knowing that there are 300 million guns already out there? Criminals, and suicidal maniacs, and gang members don't care about any laws.

    Amc you say that ..."One in five returning veterans commit suicide with a gun within the first year"... I don't know where you got that stat but it is very wrong. Can you give me a source for that one, it just can't be right. Somebody got that one wrong. Please give us a source for that statistic.
  • Democrat
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    CNN, Fareed Zakaria and Sanjay Gupta's expose' on CNN Sunday morning (12/15/2013) news: It was a special on mental illness as related to gun violence. It was a significant statement made on the media special that 1 in 5 returning veterans are committing suicide by gun violence. It was shocking to me also.


  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    They are wrong. I would bet on it and I don't hardly ever bet.

    Is there a transcript of that show? There is no way that can be even close to correct.

    Not even remotely possible.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    If the CNN special misspoke or I misheard, here are some reporting from several sources. I googled, "number of veterans committing suicide", and came up with a mega doses of statistics and research related to a growing problem for veterans of all ages including the latest Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

    www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/24/this-could-be-the-most-haunting-statistic-you'll-ever-see/ graphs a couple numbers that shows every 3 hours a child is killed by a gun and every 1 hour 5 minutes a veteran commits suicide.

    www.stabenow.senate.gov in the press releases discuss the Mental Health Act adopted as an amendment. This site also continues with 22 veterans a day commit suicide with 25% of returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan have some type of mental illness.

    www.dancingczars.wordpress.com/2013/05/27 an article indicates that suicides has surpassed car crashes as leading cause of injury death.

    www.cnn.com/2013/09/21 reporting shows 22 veterans commit suicide every 65 minutes. An article about, "Why suicide rate among veterans may be more than 22 a day".

    www.examiner.com has a reporting of 8000 veterans committed suicide each year.

    Try the google approach identified above, which will be the easiest to see the listed sites I show. There are many more to read.

    So, bottom-line, you don't allow a mentally ill person with a gun. Gun Control is a necessity. It's like a lit match and gasoline, they damage a lot when combined. America needs Gun Control and I could care less about some ones right to bear arms. The Gun Control would remove those arms that people don't need and those people that should not be near one.






  • Other Party
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    Amc there seem to be lots of numbers about the "vets committing suicide by gun" problem.

    Just look at your sentence on the CNN story ..."22 veterans commit suicide every 65 minutes. An article about , "Why suicide rate among veterans may be ore than 22 a day"... seems confusing.

    Is it 22 veterans commit suicide every 65 minutes?

    Or is it suicide rate among veterans may be more than 22 a day?

    The number 22 seems consistent but is it 22 every 65 minutes or 22 every day?

    And I think when they refer to veterans that is probably from Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, WWII, and other vets who were in other conflicts or served in peacetime...etc, etc, etc. In other words anyone who ever served. That would number in the millions, maybe the tens of millions.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jamesn Wrote: Amc there seem to be lots of numbers about the "vets committing suicide by gun" problem.

    Just look at your sentence on the CNN story ..."22 veterans commit suicide every 65 minutes. An article about , "Why suicide rate among veterans may be ore than 22 a day"... seems confusing.

    Is it 22 veterans commit suicide every 65 minutes?

    Or is it suicide rate among veterans may be more than 22 a day?

    The number 22 seems consistent but is it 22 every 65 minutes or 22 every day?

    And I think when they refer to veterans that is probably from Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, WWII, and other vets who were in other conflicts or served in peacetime...etc, etc, etc. In other words anyone who ever served. That would number in the millions, maybe the tens of millions.
    What is the message which seemingly does not penetrate most American sculls??

    Related to our huge expenditure in the military to "protect us" and our wars "to protect us" put then these figures besides the number of at "home" victims of terrorists who came from the outside the US.

    Taking the number of 9/11 victims about 3000, then it certainly means we are ourselves killing a lot more people than any terrorist ever did, which means our efforts to combat useless killings is used on for wrong subject.

    The "gun" killings alone are 10 times the victims of 9/11 per year!! Let alone drunken driving and texting. Are we spending billions on that?; no we are spending it on wars in countries who did do us no harm, so we get "mental" wrecks back who then love to shoot at anything what moves. Wow what an intelectual country we get for " that keeps America safe"