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  • that guy in Arizona
    2013-12-13 11:14:16 AM
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    As a society, we seem to be increasingly polarized about just about everything, from gun control to the new budget to gay marriage to abortion to climate change to Obamacare. Even Santa has come under scrutiny lately, so it's time to take a light-hearted look at a very familiar figure:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2013/12/politically-correct-santa.html
  • TJ
    2013-12-13 01:02:08 PM
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    My Mom and Brother were shopping the other day. They found and purchased a cloth covered snow man. It was beige in color. Most snow people I have ever seen were white as is snow. I believe this might have been an attempt to show racial inclusion during the holidays. I have absolutely no problem with that. It seems to be another sign of the changing times. I personally never found the white of a snowman to be in the interest or favor of any group. Just a similarity of a color chosen by nature.
  • eternal flame
    2013-12-13 02:54:37 PM
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    One talk show last night was discussing the idea that we may need to have pictures & statues of Jesus as a black man, -- and then there was the possibility of having to portray Santa as a black man, and pretty soon, it could end up destroying any religious image or icon we have ever had. It was not only disrespectful, but frightening to think that anyone could come along & destroy any image they choose, whether spiritual, or historical.
    What next? The Presidents on Mount Rushmore would have to be pictured as black? The statue of liberty would have to be painted black?

    If little kids have never before in history been "so sensitive" that they needed to re-color every person or symbol in "their own image" --- then it won't harm the sensibilities of little kids NOW. What's next? We have to color the Jolly Green Giant -- black? The Easter Bunny -- black?
    I think it is all just RIDICULOUS. You don't need to build a "fantasy island" culture, where everybody has to make everything accommodate to HIM. It is a diverse world, with many different races and cultures, and ALL of them have something beautiful to contribute. LET IT BE : )
  • pr
    2013-12-13 04:04:03 PM
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    How do we know Jesus (if he indeed ever existed) was not black or at least dark skinned? Why should we care what color he was?

    Just wondering.
  • Dutch
    2013-12-14 08:54:31 AM
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    pr Wrote: How do we know Jesus (if he indeed ever existed) was not black or at least dark skinned? Why should we care what color he was?

    Just wondering.
    Yeah, I believe Santa was an Eskimo, because he did like the cold!! Jesus was probably like PGR said somewhere in the middle; however since they did not wash themselves very often in those days probably more colored, depending on the beetle nuts he chewed. (drooling from his face) But who cares anyway?
    I like Snowdon more !! Then Santa!! Ha, ha
  • Zach F
    2013-12-14 09:36:22 AM
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    pr Wrote: How do we know Jesus (if he indeed ever existed) was not black or at least dark skinned? Why should we care what color he was?

    Just wondering.
    Assuming Jesus existed. From the story, you can determine that his family was from Galilee and was Jewish. Which means, he was likely not as dark as your standard Persian or Arab, but was darker than any Anglo Saxon would be. He certainly would not have been fair skinned.
  • jamesn
    2013-12-14 09:42:39 AM
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    Of all the important issues of the day which need to be debated...this is not one of them.

    White, black, brown, green, purple, it just doesn't matter what color he is/was. Any fictional character can be any color desired. The tooth fairy, Easter bunny, Santa and his elves are all probably depicted as white in white housholds, black in black households, hispanic in hispanic households...etc.

    One thing for sure. We never run out of people who look for reasons to be offended. If this is the best some "commentator" can do to get their name in the news then maybe that person should find some real issues to discuss or get into another line of work.
  • pr
    2013-12-14 09:49:23 AM
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    Jesus looks "Jewish" to me, Santa looks cold, not that I believe in either of them ;)
  • Dutch
    2013-12-14 10:05:00 AM
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    pr Wrote: Jesus looks "Jewish" to me, Santa looks cold, not that I believe in either of them ;)
    I guess you are right; but not a Christian I guess. Wow!! (that denomination started more than 70 years later)
  • johnnycee
    2013-12-14 11:29:36 AM
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    I think the idea of Santa being of any particular ethnicity is really just trying to start a debate, Santa is nothing more than a idea, a spirit of the heart and mind that lends someone to be giving, although the practice of giving was according to some historians started by someone named Nicholus ,later to be canonized as a Saint by the Roman Catholics and he was a white guy, but if someone needs an icon to help them get into the spirit of the giving season, who cares what the color of his skin is, c'mon, there are better issues to be discussed here.
  • TJ
    2013-12-14 11:38:08 AM
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    Sure there are other (I don't know about better) topics to be discussed but if we only talk about the repubs, defense, budget, and guns...... this site will become very stale. There are other things in life and so what if we flex for the season. I can go a day w/o hearing about Rand Paul.
  • johnnycee
    2013-12-14 12:34:51 PM
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    TJ Wrote: Sure there are other (I don't know about better) topics to be discussed but if we only talk about the repubs, defense, budget, and guns...... this site will become very stale. There are other things in life and so what if we flex for the season. I can go a day
    w/o hearing about Rand Paul.


    I suppose you're right, but Santa ? A mythical persona to keep children in line and also to symbolize a time for giving, perhaps a better discussion should be on the merits of giving as opposed to the crass consumerism of the season, forgetting for the moment the religious aspect of the season, but isn't the season also about good will towards one another and the idea of family enjoying one another's company. One of the better moments of Christmas that I've had, and there are many, trust me, but one that stands out was the year my brother returned home from Viet Nam, although it was months before, I remember that one mainly because of the one he missed the prior year and how we were all so worried about him and although it did put a bit of damper on us, it did bring my dysfunctional family closer.
  • pr
    2013-12-14 05:27:36 PM
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    There's going to be a big snowstorm here tonight - should I deflate my blow up Santa and cover Jesus up so the manger doesn't get toooo cold or should I just have "faith"?
  • eternal flame
    2013-12-15 03:13:22 PM
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    Well, we all know that Jesus was born in a manger in Bethlehem, & while angels were singing in the heavens announcing his birth, the crowd was amazed to see a herd of flying reindeer flying overhead, doing somersaults in the sky, as the bearded fat jolly man who was driving them, sang "Ho Ho HO" to the crowds below. Presents in the flying sleigh fell down into various chimneys, & were left in the fireplace to be opened the next day, as Jesus was first opening his eyes. Shepherds in the fields nearby had been awakened by gifts pelting them on the head, as they seemed to be falling out of a strange carriage in the sky, & they rushed to bring them to the newly announced King who was said to be found lying in a stable. Mary & Joseph were just trying to sleep amongst a few farm animals, when they were suddenly beseiged by dozens of shepherds, flocks of flying angels singing, & 3 Kings of the Orient, riding camels. And all Joseph went there for was to pay their taxes. (That's true -- check it out). Mary just wanted a little privacy, at this very special moment, so she told Joseph to just go ahead & pay the taxes already, so the people of Bethlehem would not "alert the Media." (It was already such a circus - Oy Vay). Suddenly, the Jewish papparazzi arrived, & asked a lot of questions, quickly discovering that this so-called Virgin had given birth to a boy child. (Oh, my God). So they had to flee from there quickly, or else owe extra taxes on the newborn infant. Scribes were coming from all over, along with popcorn vendors & wine merchants. They kept asking Mary, "What's his name? What's his name?--- & finally, out of total exasperation she said, "Jesus Christ, can't you just leave us alone?" -- The word got passed that it was Jesus Christ, -- and then apparently it stuck. Santa flew his reindeer back to the North Pole & began a toy-making enterprise, which has grown world-wide, & is as popular as the babe born in the stable that magical night. Now both of them -- Santa & Jesus - grace their image on Greeting Cards, saying "JOY to the World". And SO IT IS.

    ------ Eternal Flame
  • pr
    2013-12-15 05:02:35 PM
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    But, but, but what about the flying saucers that were observed at the very moment of his birth? I seem to remember watching a show on this very"happening"on the Alien Network (I believe), plus something about all flying saucers be required to have a plastic Jesus mounted on their control panels for protection from S A T A N.
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