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How Will the People Be Liberated and Empowered?

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  • Strongly Liberal
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    I believe that ultimately the people will be liberated and empowered by their own peaceful political actions, utilizing all the legal strategies available to initiate the process prescribed in Article 5 of the Constitution to alter and reform our government.

    However, that will not happen until we turn the tables on the leaders of the forces of greed and self-interest that make such a big show of being “patriotic and religious” and deceptively claim that they honor and serve the will of America's Founders and the will of God.

    Turning the tables on them by using the Constitution and the Bible to expose their error and refute their claims is the only sure way to take the wind out of the sails of their ship of war, and render it dead in the water. Moreover, it will remove the ostensible rationale and justification that has been driving the U.S. Religious Military Industrial Complex in its quest for world domination and dominion.

    When enough of the people are armed with the historic facts and truth about the intent of America’s Founders, its Constitution, and the intent and real mission of Jesus of Nazareth, it will be easy to turn the tables on the hypocrites and expose their error, because they have twisted and distorted the intent of America’s Founders and the Constitution, just as they have twisted and distorted the intent of Jesus of Nazareth.

    Exposing their errors and refuting their false claims is crucial, because with their right-wing propaganda and deceit they have poisoned the hearts and minds of many Americans and filled them with false pride, prejudice and hate. Therefore those misguided Americans need to learn that they’ve been duped by hypocrites who masquerade as “Christian Patriots,” when the truth is that they are neither because while they claim to serve God and Country, they actually serve Mammon and themselves.

    So, turning the tables on them and exposing their ignorance and deception is the first task, and that will be easy once enough people get the message, especially the part About Christianity, because it effectively turns the tables on the hypocrites, bigots and the forces of greed and self-interest.

    But then, once that is accomplished and the rich and powerful are leveled, the next part of the message can be implemented – which is utilizing Article 5 to alter and reform our government, as the Founders declared is our right and duty to do when necessary. And it has indeed become necessary.

    Without the deceptive hypocrites putting up any more obstacles, the people can then use a variety of grass roots, bottom up strategies to initiate the process of bringing about a Constitutional Convention, by which we can not only establish new amendments. We can also revise existing articles and amendments to clarify, update and modernize them, and repeal any parts of them that are rendered obsolete by the new amendments that establish our full and equal rights at long last.

    Thus we can put an end to the rule of money, and restore the rule of clearly stated law. We can put an end to the partisan contest for the throne, and an end to the presidential form of monarchy. And we can finally establish government that is truly of the people, by the people, and for the people, which will promote the general welfare, ensure justice, and use the common wealth for the common good.
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  • Other Party
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    Guy you're kidding, right?

    You say ..."we can put an end to the rule of money"...

    What possible reason do you have for thinking that? Look at Congress, I mean REALLY look at those people, and then tell us why you think there is ANY chance that money will lose its grip on our elected officials. They are bought and paid for by the rich and big corporations and lobbyists even before they get to Washington, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.


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    jamesn Wrote: Guy you're kidding, right?

    You say ..."we can put an end to the rule of money"...

    What possible reason do you have for thinking that? Look at Congress, I mean REALLY look at those people, and then tell us why you think there is ANY chance that money will lose its grip on our elected officials. They are bought and paid for by the rich and big corporations and lobbyists even before they get to Washington, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.


    Yes you are absolutely right; I guess the top 10% do not only want money, but also influence and power. I guess they would not relinguish such without a fight. It is exactly like in the middle ages, how do you cross the moat to enter their castles. The poor will have no power other than the written word, which means nothing anymore (Constitution?) The "rich" will be able to afford plenty of lawyers who can twist any law of the country in any way they like.
  • Strongly Liberal
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    James and Dutch,

    I guess I should not be surprised that you would simply ignore the first eight paragraphs and focus on one phrase in the last paragraph.

    The first eight paragraphs are the crux of it, and they answer your question, James.

    Just try to image, if you will, what would happen if enough people in America were to learn that Reaganism was a cunning scam designed to create the conditions under which we now live -- a scam designed to make the rich incredibly richer while reducing the great majority to lower classes, in positions of subservient servitude.

    That can happen, if, as I said, we turn the tables on the leaders of the forces of greed and self-interest that make such a big show of being “patriotic and religious” and deceptively claim that they honor and serve the will of America's Founders and the will of God.

    Turning the tables on them by using the Constitution and the Bible to expose their error and refute their claims is the only sure way to take the wind out of the sails of their ship of war, and render it dead in the water. Moreover, it will remove the ostensible rationale and justification that has been driving the U.S. Religious Military Industrial Complex in its quest for world domination and dominion.

    When enough of the people are armed with the historic facts and truth about the intent of America’s Founders, its Constitution, and the intent and real mission of Jesus of Nazareth, it will be easy to turn the tables on the hypocrites and expose their error, because they have twisted and distorted the intent of America’s Founders and the Constitution, just as they have twisted and distorted the intent of Jesus of Nazareth.

    Exposing their errors and refuting their false claims is crucial, because with their right-wing propaganda and deceit they have poisoned the hearts and minds of many Americans and filled them with false pride, prejudice and hate. Therefore those misguided Americans need to learn that they’ve been duped by hypocrites who masquerade as “Christian Patriots,” when the truth is that they are neither because while they claim to serve God and Country, they actually serve Mammon and themselves.

    So, turning the tables on them and exposing their ignorance and deception is the first task, and that will be easy once enough people get the message, especially the part About Christianity, because it effectively turns the tables on the hypocrites, bigots and the forces of greed and self-interest.

    But then, once that is accomplished and the rich and powerful are leveled, the next part of the message can be implemented – which is utilizing Article 5 to alter and reform our government, as the Founders declared is our right and duty to do when necessary. And it has indeed become necessary.

    Without the deceptive hypocrites putting up any more obstacles, the people can then use a variety of grass roots, bottom up strategies to initiate the process of bringing about a Constitutional Convention, by which we can not only establish new amendments. We can also revise existing articles and amendments to clarify, update and modernize them, and repeal any parts of them that are rendered obsolete by the new amendments that establish our full and equal rights at long last.

    THEN, and only then, can we can put an end to the rule of money, and restore the rule of clearly stated law. We can put an end to the partisan contest for the throne, and an end to the presidential form of monarchy. And we can finally establish government that is truly of the people, by the people, and for the people, which will promote the general welfare, ensure justice, and use the common wealth for the common good.
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    Guy you are just way too optimistic. You think we live in a country where people are interested in politics and political history. We don't, and they aren't.

    A shockingly high number of registered voters do not even know or care who Reagan was.

    They don't know the name of the current Vice President, Secretary of State, or their state senators. And, this is the important part, it doesn't bother them that they don't know. They just aren't interested. Maybe in "reality" TV shows, or new video games, their favorite sports teams, or the latest lottery numbers. But not politics.

    They don't even take the time to vote!

    And you think that they are going to change? Sorry, it's not going to happen because it's a free country and you can't make people learn about politics and you can't make them care.

    Your first eight paragraphs don't matter because PEOPLE DON'T CARE.

    Sorry, but that's just reality.

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    jamesn Wrote:

    Guy you are just way too optimistic. You think we live in a country where people are interested in politics and political history. We don't, and they aren't.

    A shockingly high number of registered voters do not even know or care who Reagan was.

    They don't know the name of the current Vice President, Secretary of State, or their state senators. And, this is the important part, it doesn't bother them that they don't know. They just aren't interested. Maybe in "reality" TV shows, or new video games, their favorite sports teams, or the latest lottery numbers. But not politics.

    They don't even take the time to vote!

    And you think that they are going to change? Sorry, it's not going to happen because it's a free country and you can't make people learn about politics and you can't make them care.

    Your first eight paragraphs don't matter because PEOPLE DON'T CARE.

    Sorry, but that's just reality.

    "jamesn" exactly my feelings; indeed most people here do not care about politics if it does not hit their pocket directly; the most important things are the football game, the gun show, Mc Donald's, the tailgate party etc. Indeed they seldom know the background of the person they vote for. Like he's got a friendly face, he talks smooth, he's got a sexy wife etc.
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    Dutch ..."most people here do not care about politics if it does not hit their pocket directly"... you are exactly right. Guy just doesn't understand that people don't care about politics. In fact, most people DESPISE politics and politicians, and I completely understand that. They just hold their nose and vote for the least objectionable candidate at election time, then forget about it until next election time. I'm not attacking Guy personally, because he is entitled to his opinion, but he thinks people in general are going to care about politics like the members of this DemocraticHub. They won't.

    Guy ..."we can put an end to the rule of money"... no, actually we can't. Money has completely taken over and has such a hold that it won't ever let go. Money from the big corporations and rich people (through the lobbyists) OWN our elected officials and it's not going to change as long as people are greedy. Money has been the root of all evil since biblical times, is the main thing wrong with politics in America today, and probably tomorrow.

    Guy it's nothing personal, but you are just wrong on this issue.
  • Strongly Liberal
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    James and Dutch,

    I understand why you feel that way. Many people do. But while you assume I am unaware of the political reality, I assure you that as an old man in his seventies I am painfully aware of the political reality.

    In fact, it is because of that partisan political reality, the partisan gridlock and the partisan obstruction tactics that people are sick and tired of it all -- and it's no wonder there's so much voter apathy, hopelessness and despair.

    It's no wonder that In the 2000 presidential election, only 60 percent of eligible voters in the U.S. voted. And as an article on Partisan Politics: A Corrupt and Failed System states:

    "Even though Barack Obama was the best choice for president in 2008, he was elected by only 52 percent of the popular vote. And 43 percent of eligible voters did not bother to vote — probably because they are totally disgusted with partisan politics. And, by the way, in the 2010 election that situation was worse. Only 11 percent of eligible voters under 30 years old voted, which means that 89 percent of them did not even bother to vote. And in 2012 nearly half the people eligible to vote did not bother to vote either, no doubt because many of them realize that regardless of which party wins the wealthiest few still rule, and they are sick and tired of the conflict caused by polarizing, counterproductive partisan politics."

    Continuing: "That reveals how damaging to democracy the partisan political attack ads on television were (and those attack ads were made possible by the right-wing U.S. Supreme Court's decision in favor of corporate rule at the expense of the majority of the people). That's why the vast majority of young people are even more sick of it than the rest of us are, and they don’t trust any politicians."

    So don't assume I am unaware. The fact is that you are not aware yet that this terrible situation is precisely the reason why we need to REFORM THE SYSTEM.

    You throw up your hands and claim it hopeless, but it's not. Not at all.

    Granted, it would be hopeless if we perpetuate the divisive, polarizing partisan political contest for the throne. But we don't need to perpetuate a failed system. And that's why the Framers wrote Article 5 of the Constitution, so that the Constitution could be a living document, clarified, revised and updated as need be.

    Also granted, there are plenty of problems, some of which seem insurmountable. But too many people claim it's hopeless, having been discouraged by all the preachers of doom who represent the religious right, the radical right and the radical left. But they have no faith, no understanding, no courage.

    It's not hopeless, and it's not too late. I have faith that when enough Americans get the message, we will be on our way to a brighter future. It may be darkest before the dawn, but rest assured the dawn is coming, and the days of the rule of money are numbered.
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  • Liberal
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    I wond what our "new friend" reganlover2 would say about all this? Oh, I forgot, he's gone back to worship the gold star on Hollywood Blvd. I guess he realized that most of us know how full of sheet both he and the real Reagan are/was.

    Getting back to Guy's post, however. I'd love to agree with you Guy, but no chance! Dutch and Jamesn are totally correct. The typical voter is clueless. They vote for the pretty face, the one their parents always voted for, the one their Syk Pilot told them to, the one who promises them the most for less. That's how the 1% owns the country and the world. We are all at their mercy and it's only going to get worse. To paraphrase Dutch "The King is dead long live the new king". Nothing has changed, the new kings are called the Koch bros, that's all.
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    pr Wrote: The typical voter is clueless. They vote for the pretty face, the one their parents always voted for, the one their Syk Pilot told them to, the one who promises them the most for less. That's how the 1% owns the country and the world. We are all at their mercy and it's only going to get worse.
    pgr,

    See my reply to James and Dutch first. And to address your comment, I must say it's obvious that we are in a mess. You don't have to tell me. But if everyone just threw up their hands thinking it's going to get worse and that they are helpless, that would be the case. But it doesn't have to be.

    It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, and the people could let their nation and world go to hell in a hand basket -- IF they keep thinking it's hopeless and don't do anything about it.

    I am reminded of an old saying: Those who claim it can't be done should get out of the way of the guy who's doing it.

    That's a figure of speech of course. It's not one person or one leader we need. What we need is an idea whose time has come -- an idea that will liberate and empower us all, so that we may finally establish government of, by and for the people.
  • Liberal
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    Ok Guy, who is that man we need?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Okay...lots of us like to write and complain in this website, but how many of you are "action people?" I agree with Guy on the importance of changing minds, but I also recognize that no matter the rhetoric, many Americas are really hard to energize. I'll be doing my part again knocking on doors almost "begging" people to attend our precinct caucus on March 4th. I've prepared a whole new spiel focusing on getting younger people out. Maybe it won't work, but I'll keep trying. I knocked on some 700 doors and made hundreds more phone calls for Obama's campaign, but I also do it for any local or state candidate that wants my help.

    So, many of you write intelligently and knowledgeably on the topics of the day. How about going the next step and knock on some doors and share that knowledge? Voter registration drives are especially important.

    I am proud of our efforts in Colorado to change voter registration and voting laws. As a result of new legislation passed this year Coloradoans can now register to vote on the same day as the election. And we don't need a photo ID either. We'll have polling places for early voting, and election day voting for those that want to go to the polls, but every registered voter, active and inactive will also be sent a mail-in ballot. They can exchange that for another ballot at the voting centers if they like.

    That's just one of the results of "activism." This is the opposite of what has been happening in Texas and North Carolina.

    It didn't just happen...we knocked on doors and got out the vote for those Democrats that then changed the law. I can feel good about it because I did my part. I can see the results of my efforts.

    Colorado used to be purple, but now we are blue, and I will do my part to keep Colorado blue.
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    Da Pope is who we need to change the world for PGR. As for Colorado, I hope Schmidt knocks on doors on that part of the state that wants to divorce from Colorado. We can call them the Rad State for "Radical". They don't like a lot of what the Blue people are doing in Colorado, so they want out. Schmidt needs to knock on their doors and convert them from whatever color they may be. I know enlist the Pope. God bless that man
    and I'm not even Catholic.

    As for Obama shaking hands with Castro, that was great. We need to get back into partying with Cuba. They have great beaches, cigars and an economy just begging for America to step in and make them rich. I'll run to my broker and buy stock for this venture. Cuba may even become a future State in America, just like Puerto Rico will be some day. We just need to remember to not vote for Cruz in 2016. Anyway he's not really Cuban, but a cross between Canadian and several Latin American countries.

    I'm voting for a woman in 2016. I hear several roars in the jungle that a woman is coming to the White House. It will take several women to take us into the next century. Send the men back to the kitchen and raise the babies. Let the women rule for awhile. I like it.



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    pr Wrote: Ok Guy, who is that man we need?
    pgr,

    You're probably joking, but in case you aren't I should say that apparently you didn't read my comment.

    I said: "It's not one person or one leader we need. What we need is an idea whose time has come -- an idea that will liberate and empower us all, so that we may finally establish government of, by and for the people."

    The message I promote discusses both religion and government, and in the articles regarding government it states very clearly that humanity's problem is that they seek idols, conquering heroes or monarch-like heads of state to solve their problems. But much of history and especially recent history shows us that even the presidential form of monarchy is a failure.

    It clearly does not produce a government of the people, by the people, or for the people. Clearly it produces a government of, by and for the wealthiest few. And it's not just the divisive partisan political system that's the main problem. That's just a symptom of the main problem.

    That's why we need to alter and reform our government so that it IS of, by and for the people, replacing the presidential form of monarchy with an executive council nominated and elected by the people, without any paid political ads and without political power brokers involved.

    If you're interested, go to the site map and read articles like The 21st Century Declaration of Independence, or Partisan Politics: A Failed System, or Ignored American History, among others.
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    Schmidt Wrote: Okay...lots of us like to write and complain in this website, but how many of you are "action people?" I agree with Guy on the importance of changing minds, but I also recognize that no matter the rhetoric, many Americas are really hard to energize. I'll be doing my part again knocking on doors almost "begging" people to attend our precinct caucus on March 4th. I've prepared a whole new spiel focusing on getting younger people out. Maybe it won't work, but I'll keep trying. I knocked on some 700 doors and made hundreds more phone calls for Obama's campaign, but I also do it for any local or state candidate that wants my help.

    So, many of you write intelligently and knowledgeably on the topics of the day. How about going the next step and knock on some doors and share that knowledge? Voter registration drives are especially important.

    I am proud of our efforts in Colorado to change voter registration and voting laws. As a result of new legislation passed this year Coloradoans can now register to vote on the same day as the election. And we don't need a photo ID either. We'll have polling places for early voting, and election day voting for those that want to go to the polls, but every registered voter, active and inactive will also be sent a mail-in ballot. They can exchange that for another ballot at the voting centers if they like.

    That's just one of the results of "activism." This is the opposite of what has been happening in Texas and North Carolina.

    It didn't just happen...we knocked on doors and got out the vote for those Democrats that then changed the law. I can feel good about it because I did my part. I can see the results of my efforts.

    Colorado used to be purple, but now we are blue, and I will do my part to keep Colorado blue.
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    Schmidt,

    You're right that too many Americans are apathetic, and many Americans are hard to energize. And you're right that far too many Americans shirk their responsibility as citizens. That's a big part of the problem.

    In my view, however, it's difficult to lay too much of the blame on the people. Partisan politics is so divisive, polarizing, dirty and misleading that in recent presidential elections about 40 percent of eligible voters did not even bother to vote.

    The solution, as I see it, is to change the game, and its rules.

    As it asks in Partisan Politics: A Failed System:

    "Why should we be divided and fight for power over each other? Why should we follow, support and empower egocentric individuals who seek power over those who disagree with them? Why should we be either winners or losers in a continuous, winner-take-all partisan contest for power? Why should we perpetuate an unstable partisan political system that creates, fosters and perpetuates corruption, conflict and division?

    "Why should hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars be wasted on commercial television for political campaign advertisements that are generally misleading, offensive, and terribly annoying, when all that money could be far better invested in our country and in our people?"

    There are many other appropriate questions along that line which highlight the foolishness of the partisan political system and the competition for the throne. We don't need a presidential form of monarchy, and we don't need an imperial presidency. What we need is to share the "throne," share the power, and share the wealth.
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