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Supreme Court to decide if corporations have "religious freedom"

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  • Strongly Liberal
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    Seattle, WA
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    That’s the way network news media framed the issue, reporting that corporations have sued the government on the basis of “religious freedom” in an attempt to remove the ACA’s requirement for health insurance to cover birth control.

    A spokesman for one of the corporations claimed that their business was Christian based and that the freedom of religion clause in the Constitution meant that they were free to deny women employees birth control coverage.

    However, the First Amendment clause regarding religion says nothing of the sort.

    The First Amendment says that no law regarding the establishment of religion shall be allowed. Therefore, these corporations that have sued the government violate the Constitution by demanding the right to establish law based on religion.

    It’s pretty obvious, though right-wing “Christian” Dominionists see things in a very different, distorted way.
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  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    And, I have a sick feeling in my stomach that the SCOTUS is going to rule in their favor. Thanks Bush 2;(
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    pr Wrote: And, I have a sick feeling in my stomach that the SCOTUS is going to rule in their favor. Thanks Bush 2;(
    I always thought the law was seperation of "church" and "government" ; since this is a government instituted healthcare then the churches have nothing to say in that. If an employer wants to meddle into this than this has nothing to do with work or the workers quality of work, but is meddling in someone's personal life. Ridiculous. What a country!!!
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I believe that the Company Hobby Lobby was complying with all but the idea of the morning after pill, which they as a Christian based company were against, they feel it promotes a type of immorality. I often felt that Christian's are a easy target for hard core Liberal groups , if on the other hand they displayed the same fervor and zeal against non -Christian (Muslim) based companies who also feel the same way as the Christian do when it comes to morality, then I would give them creditability for their viewpoints, but as long as it appears to mainly be Christian centered, I think those groups are using the federal Government as their meddling agent to forward their own agenda.
  • Strongly Liberal
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    I think it should be made clear that Christians, especially good Christians, are not the problem. The problem is Theocrats who "justify" their blind flocks with a distorted idea of Christianity, and a distorted idea of the Constitution and the intent of its Framers.

    The First Amendment prohibits the federal government from making any law "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

    Right wing Christian Theocrats ignore the first part and interpret the second part to mean that they are free to exercise their religious beliefs any way they please, and even establish law based on their religious beliefs. But they are wrong because they ignore the first part and distort the second part to suit their own purposes.

    Thomas Jefferson elaborated on the freedom of religion clause and said it was intended to "build and wall of separation between church and state" so that government would not favor any particular religion, but instead be neutral regarding religion.

    Specifically, Jefferson wrote: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."

    Most the the other founders agreed, especially James Madison.

    "The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the Church from the State." -- James Madison

    "Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by [Religious] Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in history." – James Madison

    In other words, they were totally against Theocracy, and against the theocratic imposition of clergy who wanted to rule in the name of religion.

    Therefore, corporations that want to make or change a law of the federal government to suit their religious beliefs violate the First Amendment because they want laws essentially "respecting the establishment of religion" that impact and effect their employees.

    Granted the First Amendment clause could have been written more clearly with elaboration. However, Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Franklin, Paine, Adams and others made their intentions very clear in their writings, and according to them the spirit of the law is violated by the Theocratic Christian Right Dominionists.

    What we should do is utilize Article 5 to revise and clarify the First Amendment, and establish new amendments that clearly establish our full and equal rights -- as I've been saying here for a long time.
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  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    I truly believe that there is a snake-in-grass effort in this ACA attack. The Republicans and Tea Partiers are dancing in the streets for the attack on Obama CARE to be judged in Supreme Court on religious freedom. I see their agenda and it smells, no.....it stinks!