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The nuclear deal with Iran

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    Huffington Post, November 24, 2013: How The Iran Nuclear Deal Happened

    The six country deal announced with Iran to curb their nuclear program has received mixed reactions...supported mostly by Democrats and some Republicans, but slammed by many hawkish Republicans and Netanyahu. What we are learning only now is that the negotiations for this agreement have been going on in secret for the past year. As per the Huffington Post:

    "WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States and Iran secretly engaged in a series of high-level, face-to-face talks over the past year, in a high-stakes diplomatic gamble by the Obama administration that paved the way for the historic deal sealed early Sunday in Geneva aimed at slowing Tehran's nuclear program, The Associated Press has learned.

    "The discussions were kept hidden even from America's closest friends, including its negotiating partners and Israel, until two months ago, and that may explain how the nuclear accord appeared to come together so quickly after years of stalemate and fierce hostility between Iran and the West."

    It also known that President Obama personally authorized the talks. And Israel and France, in particular, were miffed to be kept in the dark. The question is: "Would this deal have been possible if it was subjected to the daily rantings of members of Congress and talking heads at Fox News?

    You can read more at the HP link above. I think it's a good deal.
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    I just hope that this doesn't come back and bite us in the ass.
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    johnnycee Wrote: I just hope that this doesn't come back and bite us in the ass.
    Yes you are absolutely right; anything in the middle east the US has ever done worked just oposite of what was expected; so wait and see.
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    I believe the leaders of those Middle Eastern Countries understand our culture and mind set better than we understand theirs, so we are always at a disadvantage whenever we enter into any types of talks with them.
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    America will always be an infidel to the Middle East negotiations for decades. Although we may acknowledge their character of dehumanizing people and imposing very restrictive life styles due to Islamic tradition, America falls short on being a respectable group to negotiate with. While America keeps unsavory friends, meddling with other countries affairs and using the Middle Eastern countries as media events, these Islamic nations find suitable passages in the Koran to brand us as people to be cautious in negotiations. America does not fit the mold for their acceptance, so our ambassadors have to play second fiddle. If America could ever be respectable, honest and friendly than we might have a better chance at the them on the negotiation table. The current method to negotiate with Iran is to threaten. America has that chained tiger to the west (Israel) to use that against Iran. Israel will do what Israel wants to do and Iran knows that, which America uses this to their advantage. Someday a TV series/movie will be made of these negotiations in the Middle East. You can say the Middle East is full of drugs, murder, slavery and corruption, so what, so is America. I find our ambassadors have a extremely hard task to negotiate anything with the Middle East. Throwing money at them appears to help, but it only makes the Middle Eastern countries more cautious of what we bring to the table. What's that old saying, "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.". It's now beware of Americans bearing gifts. After several decades of fostering influence and aid, maybe America will be good friends with all them. It just will not happen in our life time.

    The Iran deal was needed. It's a first step of many. Hopefully Iran will honor the deal. If any misstep occurs, I'm afraid that Israel will rain down thunder blowing up all those nuclear sites. It's a dangerous situation that Israel must monitor for their nations survival. Of course, if Israel jumps in, America will follow, than Briton, Australia, France and other countries wanting to soothe the damage from spreading. If this Iran response occurs, it will only drive the world further away from peaceful existence. It will be several centuries later before we can ever get back to genuine friendly talks. It's not friendly now, but it is countries trying to establish a bridge together. Iran is much older in history than America and much of the world, so when our Ambassadors show up they are like naughty children in their Islamic eyes.
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    AmcmurryFreedom --

    You make a very good point. Somehow many Americans believe in the notion of American exceptionalism...that while Iran motives must be judged with skeptism, our own country somehow gets a free pass. Having lived and traveled in overseas countries including Libya, the citizens of these countries in many ways hold admiration for our technical achievements and people, but do not hold the same regard for our government. Trust is a two way street that needs to be earned.

    The Iran accord has been met with much distrust by our own politicians...many of them "Israel Firsters"...both Republican and Democrat, but I'm sure in Iran, President Hassan Rouhani's initiatives are also being met with cautious skepticism and outright distrust, not only by politicians and citizens, but also the Supreme Leader of Iran, Sayyed Ali Khamenei. And why shouldn't they trust us? After all it was the United States and the United Kingdom that initiated a coup to overthrow their democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran, Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953.

    1953 Iranian coup d'état

    Americans remember the 444 days of captivity of our embassy staff, but Iranians remember the CIA's role in not only that coup but the 22 years of terror that followed when SAVAK, the CIA trained secret police, tortured and executed any Iranian citizen opposed to the Shah's regime. In the eyes of Iranians, our trust has to be earned.
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    Amcmurry you are correct on several points. But...

    When you say ..."If any misstep occurs, I'm afraid that Israel will rain down thunder"...

    Israel already considers the deal itself as a ..."misstep"... and will they still hold off on military action or will this be the final straw for them to decide to go? Only time will tell. Israel will do what they consider best for Israel, and from their perspective it's bad enough that the US did this deal against their wishes, but also behind their backs. There's no way to know what they may do, but if they do attack, none of us should be surprised. The US and Israel had strained relations already and this only makes those worse.

    You're right that every country has flaws, America has our share to be sure.

    I don't know why any country would trust Iran to follow any agreement, especially on something as important as nuke weapons, but since we've done the deal, I think we all hope that this agreement will work. The old saying "Trust but verify" is good but in this case it should be "Verify, then verify again".