Post 10-21-2014, 03:14 PM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: John Stewart Debate's Bill O'Reilly on White Privilege

johnnycee Wrote: So I feel that "white privilege " is not a privilege at all but merely some group who helped a certain class of people to succeed.
This 'group' you are talking about is the American government at the federal, state, and local levels. This 'group' was the American military, Supreme Court, and every other governmental and non-governmental agency you can think of that systemically and methodically 'helped a certain class of people to succeed' for over two centuries.

It doesn't surprise me for one moment that there are many white people who just can't accept that they have an inherent advantage in this country. However, anyone who understands American history and is honest with themselves would readily admit that white people have certain privileges that people of color still struggle to achieve to this day. So many whites, especially of the older generation, want to gloss over the rampant racism that permeated throughout this country for centuries. They point to the fact that we elected a half black person as our President as proof positive that racism is dead. They question how in the world America could be racist if we have a black President. It's a red herring argument that works well for those who are susceptible to that nonsense, but a red herring is all it is.
Post 10-20-2014, 09:26 PM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: John Stewart Debate's Bill O'Reilly on White Privilege

johnnycee Wrote: What exactly is "White Privilege? Seriously.
White privilege is being raised in an all whites town built by the American military, as was the case with Bill O'Reilly. Black veterans didn't have any towns built for them by the American military. O'Reilly is literally the poster boy of white privilege.

White privilege is not being racially profiled even though whites commit far more crimes than blacks. White privilege is not ever being stopped and frisked by police officers. And white privilege is never having to worry about a traffic stop turning into your death sentence because of a trigger happy cop. Just to name a few of countless examples of white privilege...
Post 10-19-2014, 07:29 PM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: I am a libertarian, come debate me!

jrodefeld Wrote: This is my first defense of libertarian principles. I don't want to hear objections about how this or that institution or State function might work in a libertarian society or any such utilitarian concerns as of yet. I first want to hear you critique the principle of self ownership. I want to hear a reason why ethical rules can or should be non-universal. I want to hear you explain why you are content to espouse barbarism and violent exploitation, instead of the consistent and principled defense of non-aggression as the libertarians do.
Welcome to the DemocraticHub, jrodefeld. You may have some difficulty finding many people who agree with you on the forums, but your points of view are welcome on this website.

I will start off by saying that it's difficult to debate someone over the pro's and con's of Libertarianism if you confine the debate to a singular issue, this one being the principle of self ownership. Libertarianism is far more complex than being confined to this singular debate topic.

The concept of self ownership in and of itself is something that sounds sexy and I actually agree with many of it's tenants, but it gets more complex when you bring in a growing world population and the demands that places on a society. It would be wonderful if an individual had complete control over their own body and life's path, but you lose me when you extend those same rights to multinational corporations.

Another problem with this philosophy is that it completely neglects to bring history into account. Libertarians seem to just cast aside centuries of racial and gender discrimination that we continue to deal with today. How in the world can we enact the policies that you wish to enact while ensuring that everyone actually does have an equal place at the table? It is literally impossible to accomplish and is one of many reasons why I don't think that Libertarianism is a sound policy.

We also must address the fact that it is nearly impossible to run a functioning government this way. Who will put the fires out and respond to crime if we conform to your orthodoxy? How would we ensure that all children receive a proper education if we adapt your way of thinking? Who will build the roads, railways, hospitals, dams, and countless other projects that must be completed in order to keep a society of 300 million from crumbling apart?

I welcome your response to these questions and anything else you wish to discuss.
Post 10-17-2014, 08:05 PM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: ISIS Problem is a serious mess

Dutch Wrote: Sorry my worldwide contacts especially in Europe think that way.
That's the equivalent to someone saying "I'm right because my friend says so." I don't doubt that you have friends in other countries who feel that way. That doesn't mean that is how the rest of the world feels.

I can call up some of the acquaintances I met while living in Peru and have them tell you the exact opposite. They love America and Americans in Peru. Why? Probably because a hell of a lot of Americans visit there and stimulate their economy and we've never invaded them before. The world is a big place.

Dutch Wrote: Polls as you should know are either political or hypocritical motivated; always praise/reward your enemy; you may need them for something!!
There are two different types of polls: scientific and unscientific. Scientific polls are the only ones I pay any attention to and is the poll that I provided a link to. Pew Research is a non partisan think tank that does in-depth polls both in America and throughout the world. Rasmussen, The New York Times, USA Today, and many other polls are far more partisan. You will never see me provide a link to a partisan poll because they are worthless.
Post 10-17-2014, 04:26 PM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: Ebola Outbreak Wreaking Havoc in West Africa; Is the Western World Next?

Zach F Wrote: Well we are shoveling spending into military. The humanitarian training and resources are lacking. So when end up sending poorly trained people to help the sick. Which can potentially cause more harm than good.
I don't know if I would agree with you here. Trust me, I am no fan of our military adventures in the Middle East and throughout the world, but they have done plenty of good in this world as well. As I said, they are the first to be called when there's a natural disaster. Nations don't call up China or Russia and plead for their help. They know the American military is properly trained to handle these types of crises and ask for our help.

I would also push back against your claim that we are sending poorly trained people to help the sick. The military has some of the most highly trained doctors in the world and I'm quite certain they are trained to fight this crisis. We spend billions of dollars a year on our military. I would trust them to do a decent job providing care to those who need it most in West Africa.
Post 10-17-2014, 03:57 PM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: Ebola Outbreak Wreaking Havoc in West Africa; Is the Western World Next?

Dutch Wrote: Yes Tony, I fully agree; this should be a coordinated approach ( not like the ISIS one) by all western nations, without "military" involvement.
There are enough emergency response teams who dealt with disasters worldwide who are the right resourse. Again if the US is arrogant and wants to run the show lots of countries will "hook off". The WHO should be the one in command not the US army.
Do you know who provides the majority of the funding to the World Health Organization? I'll give you one guess...

I fully understand that you have a deep distrust of the United States when it comes to handling world affairs, but you can't have it both ways. You can't say our military should stay out of everything, but be fine with moving a couple spreadsheets around and have another predominately American funded organization do the job.

Everything our military does isn't an act of war. Who do you think is called first whenever there's a tsunami on a far corner of the world? Who do you think is called when a major earthquake devastates a country? It's the American military. Do they show up with guns and bombs? No. They show up with water, meals ready to eat, and blankets.
Post 10-17-2014, 03:43 PM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: Ebola Outbreak Wreaking Havoc in West Africa; Is the Western World Next?

The problem with travel restrictions is that they are proven to not work. How could you ever make that a reality outside of having the entire world place Western African under a quarantine? There is plenty of documented history detailing how travel restrictions make things worse, not better, when it comes to containing the spread of disease. This is not our first rodeo when it comes to the spread of disease, nor will it be our last. Cooler heads need to prevail. We can't dramatically change our national policies over a few people getting a contagious disease.

I wish we saw our government respond to heart disease and cancer the way they are responding to Ebola. My god, we may have a cure for every cancer out there by now if we paid this much attention to it.

Let's put this in perspective...fewer than five people in a country of over 300 million are infected with this virus. Let's not fall prey to Fox News's scare tactics that the world is falling apart.


Post 10-17-2014, 10:17 AM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: ISIS Problem is a serious mess

Dutch Wrote: "Jared" sorry to say that you do not understand on how the rest of the world sees him; he is a typical American way schooled person, which does not fall good with a lot of countries; because of his body language and manners. It gives an idea to foreign people that he is not a "representative" but more or less a "know it all" arrogant American who wants to dictate and rule the world. Amen
I didn't know you were privy to the thinking of the worlds foreign leaders. So his body language and manners are why foreign leaders don't like him? What in the world do you mean?

There's absolutely zero polling, scientific or otherwise, to back up your wild accusations, but there is a 2014 Pew Research poll that was conducted worldwide which seems to directly contradict your accusation. There are quite a few countries who like both America and President Obama. They have done this poll for the past twelve years and America reached its lowest point during the height of W's Administration, but that has rebounded throughout much of the world.

Just because you personally don't agree with American foreign policy doesn't mean that the entire world looks at us and our representatives as know it all dictators.
Post 10-16-2014, 06:18 PM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: ISIS Problem is a serious mess

Dutch Wrote: "Jared" sorry I think he is way too arrogant; he's from the same school as McCain; both are Vietnam buddies.
Are you able to name one public servant on either side of the aisle who isn't arrogant? Having an exaggerated sense of self is a requirement to participate in our federal government. You might be able to come up with a few local and state officials who aren't arrogant people, but I pretty much guarantee that every single federal official, elected or not, is quite arrogant. It's pretty much a requirement in order for you to be able to work in D.C.

You are correct that McCain and Kerry both served in Vietnam, but are incorrect that they are Vietnam 'buddies.' McCain was a prisoner of war and went on to become one of our nations top war hawks. It doesn't matter what the issue is, war is always the answer with him. I can come up with hundreds of quotes of McCain calling for us to bomb this country or that country; invade this country or that country.

On the other hand, Kerry spoke eloquently against the Vietnam War and delivered testimony to Congress as a representative of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Sure, he voted to authorize the Iraq conflict, but he did so with the caveat that he expected the Bush Administration to build a coalition and get United Nations approval. The Bush Administration decided to go a different route after Secretary Powell's disastrous United Nations speech. It was too late after that.

Kerry is a great Secretary of State. He would have been a great President, as well.
Post 10-16-2014, 05:07 PM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: Ebola Outbreak Wreaking Havoc in West Africa; Is the Western World Next?

Schmidt Wrote: My observation is that this whole crisis has been overly hyped probably because it is an election year. I agree with Obama and the Democrats...to fight this virus you have to fight it at it's source. Travel bans will be counter productive.
Republicans over hyping something to scare the American public? Why, I have never seen that before!

Republicans are masters at scaring the hell out of people and using that fear to get unsuspecting Americans to vote for them. They promise that if we just give them control then they will keep us safe from whatever bogeyman man they can come up with at a given time. It's their tried and true method of winning elections because they obviously can't win on their platform. What better way to win than just scare everyone into submission? I find it odd considering 19 terrorists were able to bring our country to its knees with a Republican at the helm, but that doesn't matter. The only thing that counts is messaging and Republicans have mastered that art. If you say something enough times people actually believe it to be true. Facts don't really matter at that point.

The tragedy of this all is that the American media plays right into their hands. They have a different agenda, which is to scare people into watching their shows 24/7, but the media gives the Republicans a national platform to insist that ebola is the next black plague. Never mind science! Whoever says the media is supposed to actually report things accurately? How will they ever sell advertising that way?

One of my favorite new things to read about is Republicans complaining that we don't have a Surgeon General at the helm to handle this 'crisis.' They seem to have forgotten that the NRA forced them to filibuster Dr. Vivek Murthy because he had the sheer audacity to suggest that America's fascination with guns was a public health problem. How dare a doctor say that one of the top causes of death in America was a public health problem? Regardless--it's obviously Obama's fault that Republicans filibustered Dr. Murthy and it's his fault we don't have a Surgeon General. At least that's what Republicans want you to believe.
Post 10-16-2014, 10:47 AM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: Governor Scott's Debate Temper Tantrum May Have Lost Him the Election

Governor Rick Scott may have sealed his fate after a very public temper tantrum at last evenings gubernatorial debate in south Florida. Scott refused to take the stage for the first four minutes of the debate because he was upset that Charlie Crist had a small fan inside of his podium. You read that correctly. Governor Scott threw a temper tantrum over a fan.

The Scott campaign claimed Crist broke the rules of the debate, but that claim was contradicted by the Crist campaign, who provided a copy of the Candidate Letter of Agreement both candidates signed.

It is quite amazing that a sitting governor wouldn't be aware of the terrible optics of refusing to take the stage on a televised because he was whining about something. Charlie Crist had the stage to himself for over four minutes and even got in a pretty serious dig about the governor taking the fifth amendment (in reference to the Governors recent refusal to answer questions over allegations of Medicare fraud at a company he used to own.) Scott took the fifth a reported 75 times in that deposition and even refused to admit that he started up the company. Last night's charade might wind up being more damning to him than taking the fifth 75 times.

The best part of the evening was when Scott's people were desperately trying to spin this as a positive development. They even had the audacity to say they didn't know if Crist was going to show up on the stage and that is why Scott waited to go on. That makes little sense considering Crist was on the stage by himself for over four minutes. How can you claim you were worried your debate partner wasn't going to show up when your debate partner was standing on the stage by himself?

What do you think of last nights episode? Do you think Scott sealed his fate and will be voted out of office or will Florida voters forgive him for acting so childish?
Post 10-15-2014, 05:49 PM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: ISIS Problem is a serious mess

Dutch Wrote: The only problem I see with Kerry is "he is way too much an American" who can not place himself in a middle east way of thinking. That has always been our problem because we are sitting on an island in this country. Our diplomacy always contains typical US promises, money, weapons, training in using our built weapons etc., but seldom of what the man in the street needs. Wars are always about "power" over the people. So we automatically deal with the one's who we think has the power; which is not always correct and may blow up into our face as is now the case.We need someone else than Kerry; a person who came from the middle east and was educated there. Don't show your shoe soles while sitting there; that is an insult, for instance.
I don't know. I am a pretty big fan of Kerry and think he is doing a great job as Secretary of State. He's far less of a hawk than Hillary was and that is paying dividends in Obama's second term. Kerry has plenty of advisers to do some of the dirty work in Middle-Eastern diplomacy, but Kerry himself has to play a major role. That is the whole point of having a Secretary of State. If Obama appointed someone else to do the negotiations to bring about peace then the only thing we would hear about from the media is that Kerry was sidelined.
Post 10-15-2014, 04:43 PM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: Can Orman Be the Man who Keeps the Senate Blue?

It is crazy to think that a deeply red state is 'in play' for Democrats this year, but that is exactly what is going on in Kansas. After Governor Brownback wrecked the Kansas economy and revelations emerged that Senator Pat Roberts doesn't even own property in Kansas, it seems that one of the most reliably republican states in this union may swing left and possibly be the saving grace for Senate Democrats.

While Orman has not officially declared what side of the aisle he would caucus on should he win this November, it is widely expected that he would caucus with the Democrats. Roberts and his men are bending over backwards to tie Orman to the President who, not surprisingly, isn't very popular in the state. The polls have been tightening recently, but Orman continues to hold a slight lead only weeks away from the election.

Legitimate polling is tough to do in a state like Kansas and it would not be a huge surprise if Roberts is able to eek out a victory, regardless of the scandal surrounding his residency in the state. Kansas hasn't had a non-Republican representing them in the Senate since George McGill lost his reelection in 1939.

Hopefully the voters of Kansas are finally beginning to wise up to the fact that their elected officials have been doing the bidding of their extremely wealthy friends instead of what's best for the state. Not living in the state you represent should disqualify you from representing that state. How can you ever know what your constituents are thinking if you don't bother to ever spend time talking with them outside of every six years?
Post 10-14-2014, 05:23 PM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: Being Democratic - Freedom of Religion

eternal flame Wrote: I will not elaborate, but there IS some "virtual" censorship taking place on this forum, because Nobody can even use the word religion, or Bible or God without unleashing a torrent of abuse. I think it is highly offensive, since 80% of US population are Christians, & then there are many more who are Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, etc. -- So Atheists, (who are a very small minority), want to dominate the discussion.
If you were to elaborate on anything at all, I would think it could be your explanation of how anyone censors you or any religious person on the forums. Censorship would be a site moderator removing your posts because it contained the words God, Jesus, or Christianity. If you want to see real censorship then go to China or North Korea. Just because you have people who disagree with you on this site doesn't mean that you are being censored, 'virtually' or otherwise.

I'd say Zach pretty much hit the nail on its head when it comes to the remainder of your arguments.
Post 10-14-2014, 03:40 PM
jaredsxtn

Democrat
Portland, OR
Posts: 2649
Thread: The Air Force's Top-Secret Mystery Space Plane

This is a topic that really interests me. I think it all boils down to one simple fact: the Air Force has a much larger budget than NASA does these days. More money equals more toys. It didn't always used to be this way, but it is now. Hopefully they will use it for a good purpose, like traveling further than we ever have in space, but I won't hold my breath. The Air Force is a wing of our military, so it wouldn't be that much of a surprise if it winds up being used as a weapon of war. By weapon of war I don't necessarily mean that I think it will be used to launch missiles. We already have plenty of weapons that can do that.

I just read this really interesting piece about the decades long struggle between NASA and the Air Force/military in general. It really dives into the differences between the two and the missions each of them have. It's a bit long, but I would definitely recommend it for anyone who's interested in learning more about this issue.

Invitation to Struggle: The History of Civilian-Military Relations in Space
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