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  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    This post is on the topic of gun control. I am not against owning a gun. I have a small shotgun. I am against automatic weapons, armor piercing bullets (cop killers), and high capacity magazines. I think gun ownership should not involve being in a militia but instead should be for hunting or shooting someone who's breaking into your house. If you can't accomplish these things with 4 or 5 bullets, then you need to move to a better neighborhood.
    Attached are two links. The first is about strong comments made towards politicians by those against gun control.
    The second is about a spoof made by Jim Carey mocking Charlton Heston.

    http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/04/03/dangerous-territory-legislators-hunted-with-thre...


    http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/03/26/jim-carrey-spoofs-gun-owners-nra-in-funny-or-die-video/
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I chose not to view the two links because I saw Jim Carry's spoof and I am tired of listening to politicians lie about gun control, both sides lie. No automatic weapons are sold to any civilian and thats by existing law, also armoring piercing bullets are nothing more then the high velocity and shape of the bullet, any bullet that kills a cop is a cop killer bullet regardless of the cal.that term was used by the media for sensentionalism, the vest that protects our officers are bullet resistent not bullet proof and a knife can penetrate the vest, does that make the knife a cop killer knife, and the problem with a less capacity magazine is that your relying on that persons profiency with loading and unloading his weapon ,unless of course there's more than one intruder then then all bets are off. I own a couple of weapons and I do go to a range, not as often as I like but I consider myself mildly proficient with my weapons and I am fairly certain I can protect my family from the home invader with very little problem,however limiting my ability to access weapons that the criminals can get with very little difficulty I might add, certainly goes against the 2nd Amendment and my personal safety, so until the authorities can assure me that those restrictions would prohibit the criminal element from gaining those weapons, I will not support any new gun laws.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    I understand that you have fear johnny. Fear can cause us to do or prepare for extreme things. Do you think that it's honestly likely that your house would be attacked by a group of people ? I would think that it would take much to cause an orchestrated attack by a group of people. Maybe if you are storing gold bars.

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    MSNBC Republicans say the craziest things about gun control
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9KVvIq5aSU
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    All the calls and talk about limiting magazine capacity are not well thought. It seems to me that everyone has an idea of what will be effective, but these ideas come from people that have little knowledge of firearms. Take for example the tried and true Rem model 870, it's a real common pump shot gun. It in no way resembles an "assault rifle/weapon". With it I can place on target 45 .44cal rounds down range in less than 3 sec, and can reload in less than 5sec. I'm no master with this weapon, just an everyday sportsman. I'm sure my numbers can be surpassed with a little practice. The resulting carnage when comparing .44cal (11.18mm) vs .223cal (5.56mm) is horrific.
    These deranged murders will find new ways to implement existing weapons and discover new ones to complete their killing missions, with ever higher casualties, unless we can correct the cause. I believe the same day as the Sandy Hook shooting occurred, in China, where there is no private firearm ownership, a man stabbed 28 elementary school students.
    The gun debated has been debated to death. For so many to desire the same outcome it would seem simple to agree. This is not the case and most have agreed to disagree. And this is with people that have take the time study the issue. From recent comments made by the ones chosen to represent us, it is fact that they have not taken the time become knowledgeable. They could care less about the facts of the issue, only what they perceive will sound good for their next election.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    The rapid rise of home invasion in my city has given me cause for concern, these thugs target the elderly, and immigrants,and they show little mercy for their victims,having raped a 80 year old woman in one invasion, although I don't own any gold bars,damn it, I do own several things these thugs prize, my weapons, computer, Hi-def TV, plus numerous tv games which my grandchildren play when the come to visit,Play station 3,etc.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Boone Wrote: All the calls and talk about limiting magazine capacity are not well thought. It seems to me that everyone has an idea of what will be effective, but these ideas come from people that have little knowledge of firearms. Take for example the tried and true Rem model 870, it's a real common pump shot gun. It in no way resembles an "assault rifle/weapon". With it I can place on target 45 .44cal rounds down range in less than 3 sec, and can reload in less than 5sec. I'm no master with this weapon, just an everyday sportsman. I'm sure my numbers can be surpassed with a little practice. The resulting carnage when comparing .44cal (11.18mm) vs .223cal (5.56mm) is horrific.
    These deranged murders will find new ways to implement existing weapons and discover new ones to complete their killing missions, with ever higher casualties, unless we can correct the cause. I believe the same day as the Sandy Hook shooting occurred, in China, where there is no private firearm ownership, a man stabbed 28 elementary school students.
    The gun debated has been debated to death. For so many to desire the same outcome it would seem simple to agree. This is not the case and most have agreed to disagree. And this is with people that have take the time study the issue. From recent comments made by the ones chosen to represent us, it is fact that they have not taken the time become knowledgeable. They could care less about the facts of the issue, only what they perceive will sound good for their next election.
    You said it right; anyone can convert or do things to these weapons without any control whatsoever. So all this forever talk about gun safety etc. does not change the fact that plenty of guns are already in the hands of whom should not have these; the industry carries on as usual and will keep designing modification kits etc. which can easily obtained via the backdoor etc. Therefore all the hype and talk does not change the overall picture a bit.
  • Democrat
    pell lake, WI
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    the only thing that will make a difference is get rid of assault guns, war gun. machine guns!!!!!!!!!!
    that will never happen. money talks
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    I just saw on MSNBC that there are new stronger gun laws in NY, Maryland, Connecticut, and Colorado. It's interesting that Conn. & Col. had recent gun tragedies. NY has huge populations and probably high amounts of gun deaths. Maryland is outside of Wash. DC which I've heard has high levels of death from gun violence. It makes me wonder if other states that have had gun tragedies will cause greater support for increased gun control. Wisconsin had a mass shooting. Virginia has had mass shootings. Virginia seems pretty strong on gun owners rights though. Arizona had the shooting that hit Gabby Giffords...... Who knows what the future holds.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    A good read for all you "Liberal gun nuts"

    http://truth-out.org/news/item/15566-how-the-gun-industry-is-killing-americans
  • Democrat
    California
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    I support President Obama in most things-- including his quest to ensure gun safety in the wake of the Newtown and Colorado massacres. I agree with what he says, but doubt his sincerity because of his lack of transparency and outright hawkishness when it comes to deployment of drones. They can be more devastating than any AK-47, and there appear to be no standards or requirements for their deployment-- even against American citizens.
    He is not looking at the big picture. He is inconsistent. If he truly believes in background checks and other safeguards for gun purchases, he should also ensure accountability in government use of drones. Otherwise he's simply another politician droning on and on about self-righteous check marks for his legacy.
    Regards,

    Bryan Sheridan
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    The biggest problem I find with Gun Control is this bankrolling league of the No Real Authority (NRA) group. The NRA is compounding the problem by enlisting huge lobbying efforts to manage several high standing politicians (mostly Republican) to place obstacles to House and Senate discussions. The recent news has been about filibustering the efforts for discussing gun control. Why does America allow this absurb means of elected officials to not even allowing discussion on gun control?

    I saw in media releases that 88% of America wants more and mandatory background checks. They also wants limits on number of rounds that may be carried in removeable clips. I also saw that 84% of NRA members support these changes. It gets worse numbers for additional gun control regulations, but there still should be discussions on improving gun control in this country. Nobody, such as the NRA should be able to stop the will of the American people. As America is having better than 80% in approval, this clearly places the No Real Authority group off the team. The NRA, especially LaPierre, acts like a circus clown wanting all the attention from the audience. America is not listening to the NRA, but money sure gets the attention of some politicians that steals the way America wants them to vote. I'm going to submit at a later post of all the politicians that voted against gun control. The information is easy to get as it is public and free information. With upcoming 2014 elections coming, vote them all out of office. That's how America speaks!
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    I thought NRA stood for National Ralphie Association, named after the little kid in "A Christmas Story". Just had to have a gun, nothing would deter him. As far as the NRA's proposal for armed guards in schools, I'm all for it as long as they pay for it. That should bankrupt them in no time and we'll never have to hear from them again. We'll be able to use common sense again.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    If's that your plan for bankrupting the NRA I hope you got a Plan B, the NRA sponsers their own certification classes on gun safety and usege, they also have a valid instructional class for would be Armorers and Gunsmiths. Btw, each school district would have to sign on as a particpating party if for nothing else liabilty issues.
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    The NRA would pay for everything: instruction, classes, guns, ammo, wages, insurance, any and all things associated with it. Don't need a Plan B as I was joking about Plan A. Schools should be free of all weapons, I wanted to go as far left as the NRA goes to the right.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    What foolish insurance company would insure the NRA providing armed guards at our schools? It would be bad business. The NRA may be receiving alot of funds from gun owners/members and other sources, but one school shooting killing a child or an adult as result of a "mistake" will bankrupt that company. I doubt the insurance company will pay out much and will run from the claim against them and/or will amend the insurance. I would not insure the NRA. Crazy!