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"War on Democracy" Voter Suppression

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  • Democrat
    Fremont, CA
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    Republican State Legislatures are waging a "War on Democracy" with the Voter ID Requirements aimed at suppressing the voting rights of Americans. This is an outrage and needs to be characterized as a War on the basic foundation of our Republic. I would like to see this blatant attempt to suppress voting rights referred to as the "War on Democracy". Just as the "War on Women" has centraled the focus of discussion around Womens Health, the "War on Democracy" banner should bring focus to all these new laws that chip away at our right to vote.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Excellent choice of words Mesenger, and right on the point(s).  Both of these "wars" need to be stressed and presented to the citizens of America, and even to the Obama website for his perusal and then his "declaration (of war)" on the other party.  Thanks for your insight. 
  • Independent
    Texas
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    Well if the Government pays for your ID cars and you don't have to pay $5 for a drivers license or ID card (not that that is much, I see poor people blow that on smokes) what is the problem with presenting your ID?  I don't want dead people, those who are not citizens or Republicans (or democrats) voting twice.  This violates our Republic and is fraudulent and unfair like the original poster stated.  Please tell me more on this point?
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Bluedog Wrote: Well if the Government pays for your ID cars and you don't have to pay $5 for a drivers license or ID card (not that that is much, I see poor people blow that on smokes) what is the problem with presenting your ID?  I don't want dead people, those who are not citizens or Republicans (or democrats) voting twice.  This violates our Republic and is fraudulent and unfair like the original poster stated.  Please tell me more on this point?


    I've always felt this country should have a national identity card for all legal citizens and it should be issued at no cost by the federal government. This nonsense of charging $160 for a passport to come and go from the country is outrageous in my opinion.

    A national identity card would go a long way in solving a lot of the problems we face including voter suppression, immigration, etc. The biggest problem would be in implementing it. The federal government should be making it their first priority to make sure all legal citizen have an identity card and it should be the responsibility of the federal government to make sure everyone gets a card at no cost and with no difficulty. They should be issued at birth as far as I'm concerned! 
  • Democrat
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    Bluedog Wrote: Well if the Government pays for your ID cars and you don't have to pay $5 for a drivers license or ID card (not that that is much, I see poor people blow that on smokes) what is the problem with presenting your ID?  I don't want dead people, those who are not citizens or Republicans (or democrats) voting twice.  This violates our Republic and is fraudulent and unfair like the original poster stated.  Please tell me more on this point?


    That has been alledged but never shown. Kinda like Republicans saying we should sex based abortions when that happens in India and China but not here. Red Herrings. 
  • Independent
    St.petersburg, FL
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    this is an interesting issue and it's spilt right down party lines.....I think the words "war on democracy" is a little over the top as I can see both sides of the issue. My thoughts are that if the states provide fee ID's and maybe some bus fare $$ in order to get to the ID location so all have equal access and opportunity to get a state ID then there would be no way anyone could say "this leaves out the poor". I think (and hope) that I speak for all of us within this thread when I say that no one wants fraud involved in our elections. Fraud is difficult to catch and to detect (that's why they call it fraud) so the true numbers on the occurrences by thier very nature are difficult to count. I would think (and again hope) that all (both parties) only want  to exclude non-citizens and felons from voter rolls. Felons can restore their rights but must go through that process of getting their rights restored by the process that is in place. If all states offered these free ID's as well as bus fare then I would think asking for an ID at a voting station would be fine. It is ironic that in order to get into the DNC convention.....an ID is a must.
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    http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/texas-voter-id-law-struck-down-heads-to-25931/
    T exas Joins the Bandwagon
    The law, known as SB 14, restricts acceptable forms of ID to driver’s licenses or state-issued ID, military ID, citizenship ID, a passport, and a concealed handgun license – all of which must include a photo. Student IDs, utility bills, paychecks, mail, and other forms of identification that were once acceptable now are not.

    The Texas law is part of a larger trend of state laws passed to tighten voter ID requirements, and the results of legal battles over many of these state laws could make a difference in the November presidential elections. But unlike some other states, Texas leaves it to the voters to seek out and pay for the IDs. Georgia, for example, has strict ID requirements but also provides a voter ID card for free; the DOJ has pre-cleared that law.

    “In their unanimous 56-page ruling, the federal judges found that the fees and the cost of traveling for those voters lacking one of the five forms of ID disproportionately affected the poor and minorities – who might have to travel 200 to 250 miles to acquire the proper ID and potentially pay fees basically amounting to a poll tax,” explains Andy Brown, chair of the Travis County Democratic Party in Austin

    Mary Sanchez "Jim Crow is alive and Well"

    http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2012/09/03/2512782/mary-sanchez-jim-crow-is-alive.html
     

  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    hubcapboy,

    You say these words:  "My thoughts are that if the states provide fee ID's and maybe some bus fare $$ in order to get to the ID location so all have equal access and opportunity to get a state ID then there would be no way anyone could say "this leaves out the poor"."  While this might somehow work in a city's limits, how could it possibly work for everyone.  How many U.S. citizens don't live anywhere near a bus route?  Assuming they have a mail box and actually got the bus fare, who would be responsible for taking them, IF they were able to travel, to the specific bus route that passes the ID location?  There is no way for an ID system to be fair for all. 
  • Independent
    St.petersburg, FL
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    I disagree, I'm sure there are plenty of ways to get that done as I was just shooting from the hip in regards to the bus fare....the states could go moblie themselves and sweep their state issuing ID's.....and that's just one of many ideas about getting ID's for the disadvantaged and/or poor. My point is there is a way to get it done so that EVERYONE can get a valid ID and no one is left out. Not sure of your motives as you seem to quickly dismiss a rational attempt to do this. Answer this for me then......if we could get ID's to all who are qualified you would be ok with it? You see the value in protecting our system of electing the next leader of the USA? Keeping it free from fraud is important to you is it not?
  • Democrat
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    hubcapboy Wrote: I disagree, I'm sure there are plenty of ways to get that done as I was just shooting from the hip in regards to the bus fare....the states could go moblie themselves and sweep their state issuing ID's.....and that's just one of many ideas about getting ID's for the disadvantaged and/or poor. My point is there is a way to get it done so that EVERYONE can get a valid ID and no one is left out. Not sure of your motives as you seem to quickly dismiss a rational attempt to do this. Answer this for me then......if we could get ID's to all who are qualified you would be ok with it? You see the value in protecting our system of electing the next leader of the USA? Keeping it free from fraud is important to you is it not?


    In order to register SSN is needed. That number is then bounced. This photo ID issue is about denying the vote not stopping something that doesn't happen. We have a 30% turnout thus proving there isn't that much interest in voting at all. 
  • Democrat
    Pennsylvania
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    pr Wrote:
    Bluedog Wrote: Well if the Government pays for your ID cars and you don't have to pay $5 for a drivers license or ID card (not that that is much, I see poor people blow that on smokes) what is the problem with presenting your ID?  I don't want dead people, those who are not citizens or Republicans (or democrats) voting twice.  This violates our Republic and is fraudulent and unfair like the original poster stated.  Please tell me more on this point?


    I've always felt this country should have a national identity card for all legal citizens and it should be issued at no cost by the federal government. This nonsense of charging $160 for a passport to come and go from the country is outrageous in my opinion.

    A national identity card would go a long way in solving a lot of the problems we face including voter suppression, immigration, etc. The biggest problem would be in implementing it. The federal government should be making it their first priority to make sure all legal citizen have an identity card and it should be the responsibility of the federal government to make sure everyone gets a card at no cost and with no difficulty. They should be issued at birth as far as I'm concerned! 



     Kinda like tattooing a number on each person at birth? I guess that might work. Wasn't that method used some where before? 
  • Liberal
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    There is a BIG difference between a tattoo and a national identity card. A national identity card is nothing more that a mini-passport and most (if not all) civilized societies have them to protect all their citizens.
  • Independent
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    "not stopping something that doesn't happen"? where are you getting your information? There is an ongoing case right now of voter fraud in Ohio. You have nothing to prove your point....nothing. You never answered any of the questions as well. you’re not discussing and you’re not open to any conversation that does not agree with your points without THINKING about any other solutions or alternatives.....no creative solutions, just reasons why you feel it will not work. Sounds like I'm speaking to a memeber of the GOP.  

    if we could get ID's to all who are qualified you would be ok with it? You see the value in protecting our system of electing the next leader of the USA? Keeping it free from fraud is important to you is it not?

     

  • Democrat
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    hubcapboy Wrote:

    "not stopping something that doesn't happen"? where are you getting your information? There is an ongoing case right now of voter fraud in Ohio. You have nothing to prove your point....nothing. You never answered any of the questions as well. you’re not discussing and you’re not open to any conversation that does not agree with your points without THINKING about any other solutions or alternatives.....no creative solutions, just reasons why you feel it will not work. Sounds like I'm speaking to a memeber of the GOP.  

    if we could get ID's to all who are qualified you would be ok with it? You see the value in protecting our system of electing the next leader of the USA? Keeping it free from fraud is important to you is it not?

     



    Notice that all of the bewhaha regarding voter ID is coming from the Republicans. And the leader of the House in PN said "with this bill we can give the election to Romney". It would seem your idea regarding voter fraud is more about denying real voters the vote. The Republicans know who cost them the last election and voter ID is the cure. Or is it? It may just pissoff people to the point they toss all Republicans. 
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    The attempts to suppress votes by the Republicans should be considered illegal. It definitely should be. Ever since I was a small child I heard how hardly any one votes; voter turn out is always a low percentage of citizens who could vote. The "Silent Majority". The problem was not enough folks voted and  effort was made to try to encourage people to register to vote and then actually cast a vote. Suddenly, the Republicans feel it is to their benefit to put limits on the ability of citizens to be able to vote all with the excuse that they need to 
    prevent voter fraud. These Republicans who masquerade as Americans and public servants are the real fraud. The Justice Department needs to block all such efforts for this election and only allow new rules to apply once the entire process, needs and requirements for any changes are fully vetted and mechanisms are in place to guarantee citizens  are helped with compliance with any changes. To allow these changes to go into place right before a National Election is against the intent of voter rights and citizenship that America is supposed to be all about.

    Just in case these new ID and early voting rules can not be stopped or just to end the worry,  use absentee ballots.