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12-11-2011, 08:05 AM

Schmidt
Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 1058

Okay...I watched the two hour debate on ABC last night, mostly because everything else was a rerun...and yes I was curious. The candidates were loose with the facts, and the moderators never called them out on the lies. But many of the questions were just stupid...and a waste of time. For example, I would have liked to hear questions like:

"Governor Perry, you have advocated doing away with Department of Energy? Does that mean you'll leave the oil companies and the free market to police themselves? Do the coal companies need regulating? How about the nuclear energy utilities? Are they also self policing? Does everyone on the stage agree with Governor Perry?"

Others, of course, have advocated doing away with the EPA. No questions asked about that.

The Obamacare bashing was so full of bullshit. Why didn't the moderators ask about the details of the individual mandate? They should have been asked to explain, in the absence of the mandate, how hospitals should cover costs of people going into emergency rooms that don't have insurance (as is the case now and one of the factors in high health care costs). They got off the hook too easily.

Then there is Michelle Bachmann praising Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan because it was "so simple and easy to understand." Why then didn't the moderators ask Bachmann to explain Cain's plan if it was that simple. I doubt that she could have...all she wanted to do was trump her "win-win-win plan" which the moderators neglected to ask her about as well. What the hell does that new plan mean? It's another simple catchy phrase backed up by nothing.

Well the whole debate was much to do about nothing...except Obama bashing. And it was all just entertainment, but like the other debates with largely Republican audiences, I cringed at the applause lines. I wonder though if they were just applauding the clowns?

Oh and Jon Huntsman was kicked off the show before it began. His more moderate views on issues just didn't fit in with the script. More on that point later.

12-11-2011, 08:27 AM

Schmidt
Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 1058

Leading up to the debate the New York Times published an article by Alessandra Stanley on December 10th entitled: The Republican Primary Campaign in Iowa Is Right at Home on Fox News

You don’t win Iowa in Iowa, you win it on this couch,” is how the Republican commentator Dick Morris put it on “Fox & Friends” on Wednesday. Mr. Morris said that the Republican debates and Fox News had forged a national primary that “imposes itself on Iowa.

A recent New York Times/CBS News poll of likely Iowa Republican caucus participants showed that 37 percent said they get most of their information from Fox News, that’s compared with 27 percent who cited broadcast news and a mere 2 percent who said they relied on MSNBC.

So us MSNBC viewers can intellectually debate the finer points of the candidates and their statements, but what MSNBC says and does will never filter into the confines of the Fox News "pride in ignorance" audience.

Read more of the NYT article at the above link.

12-14-2011, 01:55 PM

SmokinJoe
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In a fair election, I think any one of the Republican candidates could beat Obama. Problem is, it won't be a fair election.
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