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09-10-2011, 07:26 PM

Veronica
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Posts: 205

How THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY (now the Tea Party) subverted AMERICA

The TEA PARTY is the recent evolution of the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY, which was formed in 1958 by 12 Republican millionaires. Their leader and founder was Robert Welch. Among the other GOP millionaires on the John Birch Society National Council was a name you might recognize: Fred C. Koch -- the father of the KOCH BROTHERS, (Charles and David Koch) who are so influential now, in financing the Tea Party. -- Their father Fred C. Koch, was Prez of Rock Island Oil & Refining Co, (Wichita, KS). & one of the early financiers of the Birch Society.

The John Birch Society (abbreviation: JBS) Their secret goal was to quickly take over the entire Republican Party, & then use that as a vehicle to takeover the United States government. A KEY CONCEPT: They do NOT believe that the United States is a Democracy, or that the founders ever intended for it to be one. Thus they feel free to subvert this govt in any way possible.

This part is IMPORTANT for you to understand, but it is very hard to explain: The JBS was advertised as an “anti-Communist” group, that was working to “save America” from the godless Communist conspiracy that was threatening our nation. They said that our President, General Dwight Eisenhower was a Communist, and that the United Nations was working for the One World Order of global Communism. They said that fluoride in our drinking water was to make us easily brain-washed to believe communist propaganda, they said that the Girl Scouts were a Communist organization, and hundreds of other lies too numerous to mention.

Of course the Democratic Party was very high on the “suspect list” for being Communist, and Birchers spent most of their time vilifying & slandering Democrats, to keep them from being elected. They openly called John Fitzgerald Kennedy a Communist sympathizer, and a Traitor. Some of this inflammatory rhetoric appeared in the Dallas newspaper on Nov 22, 1963 -- the day JFK was assassinated.

The JBS began heavy recruiting by the early 1960's, and they tried to recruit me 3 times in 1962 in Los Angeles. So I got well acquainted with their ideology and their methods. It was basically a "secret society" and had secret cell meetings. Their membership list was secret. Robt Welch was ruler supreme, “no dissent” was allowed, & he believed in a monolithic hierarchy. No discussion among members as to strategy, they had to vow total obedience to Welch. Their intention was to gain more influence over US elections. Members were taught to infiltrate political campaigns to disrupt them, siphon off their money & distract their supporters. They were sent to PTA meetings to get rid of any "liberal" teachers, and told to join churches to get rid of any pastors who seemed to be too "liberal." They began to broadcast religious radio shows (propaganda) to manipulate public opinion (& the vote). Eventually, most churches (especially fundamentalists) in America were preaching less gospel, and more GOP / JBS ideology from their Sunday pulpits.

The JBS Leader (Robt Welch) had extensively read the writings of Marx, Lenin, & Hitler, to make use of their techniques. He fashioned his Propaganda Machine after Goebbels of Nazi Germany. Used all tactics of subversion & infiltration to undermine our govt & democracy.

09-11-2011, 02:38 AM

Veronica
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Posts: 205

*HERE are the SOURCES -- for the above article on JBS and the Tea Party:

*SOURCE: THE BLUE BOOK of The John Birch Society (seventh printing) copyright 1961 - by Robert Welch /.Publisher: Western Islands (Boston & Los Angeles). Members Manual for JBS (includes Index and a list of 28 members of the National Council).

*SOURCE: (2nd copy) THE BLUE BOOK of the John Birch Society (17th printing) copyright 1959, 1961 - by Robert Welch / Publisher: Western Islands, Belmont, MA / (324.4 J656 b) - Members Manual (includes index & listing 26 members of the National Council).

On the JBS Executive Council, before 1963, was Barry Goldwater (Republican Senator from Arizona) who later became Presidential
candidate for the election of 1964. He was running against JFK, but did not have to compete with him due to JFK assassination. That
election year, Goldwater advocated "nuking" Cuba, to get rid of Castro. (only 90 miles from our Florida shore). This would have been a catastrophe, sending nuclear radiation into our atmosphere with horrible health & environmental effects. But besides that, Russia had
a whole arsenal of Nuclear Missiles stashed in Cuba that were armed & ready to retaliate against us. Many think that if we had done
what Goldwater wanted, the United States may have been nothing but radioactive rubble since 1965.

Fortunately, Lyndon Johnson, (Democrat -Texas) won the election that year, Both JFK and LBJ had the good common sense to
keep us out of War, & to negotiate Peace (Nuclear Ban Treaties) with the Soviet Union. You will find from studying History, that the
Democrats will vote for PEACE if at all possible, and the Republicans will usually vote for WAR. It is mostly due to all their financial investments in the War Machine, which is insanely profitable. It was GOP President Dwight Eisenhower who warned us about the Military Industrial Complex, saying that its Greed and Corruption could work against US best interests. And he was absolutely right. We are now involved in several useless & unnecessary WARS that are BANKRUPTING this nation, & thus we are all told we have to "sacrifice" our benefits (that WE PAID FOR thru payroll taxes), so that the rich can buy a few more yachts, & stuff themselves with lobster, caviar, & filet mignon, while outsourcing all our industry (& all our jobs) to cheap foreign labor.

It should be noted that in the past, it was a common policy for the US govt to "steal" the money out of Social Security funds, to pay for
a War, & then put a big IOU memo into the empty bank vault, to repay the Social Security funds whenever the War got over.This used
to work quite well when we had men of integrity running our govt. But NOW we have the criminals of Wall Street, all the corrupt bankers
& corporate CEO's, and Ponzi schemers, in the halls of our Congress. They would prefer to Lie to the American people about why our
Social Security funds are bankrupt, & try to find a way to "never pay it back" so they can continue to line their own pockets. Billions of
dollars (possibly trillions) have been stolen from Social Security to pay for the 4 or 5 wars we have waged continuously since 9/11.

---------End of Part Two-----------

09-11-2011, 07:22 AM

Schmidt
Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 1058

Thanks Veronica for sharing your insight into the John Birch Society of the past and how it has transformed itself into the Tea Party of today. Of course, this should not be surprising for those like you who have studied the movements of both groups. Most notable is the fact that Fred Koch, the father of David and Charles Koch, was a member of the national council of the John Birch Society after its founding in 1958. While the JBS is often associated with being fervently anti-communist, what is less known is the details of their far right agenda. In effect their anti-communism served to provide some legitimacy with the populace that might not have otherwise embraced their far right extremist views on a host of issues.

The Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights published (June 20, 2011) a Special Report: FreedomWorks and the John Birch Society Problem. While FreedomWorks, headed by Dick Armey, denies the connection, it is a fact that the John Birch Society has played an increasing role within the Tea Party movement. And why not? Fred Koch was active in the JBS and his sons, David and Charles, have been active in bank roilling the Tea Party movement using FreedomWorks as their cover. One cannot easily differentiate the views of David and Charles Koch from those of his father, Fred Koch. Their idealogy is one and the same. And therefore the JBS agenda of old is reenergized with the Tea Party agaenda of today...an agenda that seems to align with the Old Right.

It will be interesting to see how the JBS influence within the Tea Party continues to evolve. As long as the Koch brothers are throwing big money in support of both groups, I think we can expect them to meld into one. Follow the money.

09-11-2011, 07:45 AM

ernie1241
PALM SPRINGS, CA
Posts: 6

There are numerous factual errors in Veronica's message.

1. First, the Tea Party Movement (TPM) is not an evolution of the JBS. Superficially, they may appear to have similar principles and objectives -- but careful examination reveals major substantive differences which render them incompatible with each other. Veronica's attack is reminiscent of the attempt by the extreme right to link liberalism with communism and nazism.

2. Second, the persons who attended the formative meeting of the JBS in December 1958 were not "12 Republican millionaires". Some were Democrats; the majority of them were NOT millionaires.

3. Third, Barry Goldwater was never on the Birch Society "Executive Council". In fact, Sen. Goldwater was one of Robert Welch's most severe critics and Barry associated himself with articles published in William F. Buckley's National Review magazine starting as early as 1962 and culminating in 1965. The NR articles described the JBS as irrational, extremist, and irresponsible.

4. Fourth, Goldwater never "advocated nuking Cuba".

Obviously, Veronica's desire to trash the Birch Society (and conservative Republicans) has overtaken her ability to present accurate and factual information.

In some respects, Veronica appears to function as the flip side of the JBS coin.

Both make wild, irresponsible, non-factual and malicious assertions in their zeal to destroy people or organizations they despise.

09-11-2011, 08:07 AM

ernie1241
PALM SPRINGS, CA
Posts: 6

The Tea Party Movement (TPM) does not share the same ideology as the JBS.

When I discuss this matter, I often point this out: All humans have blood, but if you are given the wrong blood type you die! Similarly, many persons, organizations, and movements may appear to share similar ideas or objectives -- but, in reality, upon careful examination they have irreconcilable differences which render them incompatible with each other.

That is the case with the TPM. Yes--it is true that if you use lowest-common-denominator reasoning, you can assert that TPM and JBS are similar. But you have to look closer. The predicates of JBS ideology are NOT shared by most TPM adherents---based upon polling which has been done such as NY Times/CBS News poll and comments made by TPM leaders.

TPM adherents respect and admire conservative politicians and conservative activists. The JBS does not believe that people like Ronald Reagan, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Nelson Rockefeller, Newt Gingrich, John McCain, George Bush, William F. Buckley Jr and the National Review crowd, plus many prominent right-wing intellectuals and pundits are actually genuine conservatives.

In fact, the JBS often refuses now to use "conservative" as a descriptive term because it prefers "constitutionalist" or "Americanist" -- and by JBS lights most GOP Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates plus most GOP cabinet-level appointments and GOP Senators/Congressmen since World War II have NOT been "constitutionalists" or "Americanists".
The most recent issue of the JBS "Freedom Index" which scores the voting behavior of all members of Congress reflects that, from the JBS perspective, many GOP Senators score only 50% to 70%. In the JBS scheme of things, 50% is a failing score, 60% is poor, and 70% represents unpredictable behavior from someone who may be an opportunist and not sincerely committed to "constitutionalist" principles.

The JBS thinks that our government (no matter which party wins elections or controls Congress) has been captured by an elitist cabal of "enemies" whose allegiance is to a one-world socialist paradigm designed to eviscerate our Constitution and destroy our freedoms.

Another area where you can see profound differences between the TPM and the JBS concerns our civil rights movement. I doubt that many TPM adherents would agree with the JBS predicate that our civil rights movement was begun by Communists, was staffed by Communists, was controlled by Communists, and "served only Communist purposes".

Furthermore, I doubt many TPM adherents would agree with the following JBS position (as stated in its May 2008 JBS Bulletin):

“Just as the John Birch Society showed in the 1960's that the communists basically ran both the civil rights movement and the KKK, the strategy was nothing new. The former was used to transfer power to Washington DC in the name of civil rights and the latter provided a pretext for transferring power to Washington. You cannot get a really good conflict started unless you control both sides of the argument.”

There are many other areas where the TPM and the JBS diverge. To pretend that they are identical is gross misrepresentation.

09-12-2011, 08:51 AM

ernie1241
PALM SPRINGS, CA
Posts: 6

Chuck: There is no reason for your snotty attitude. I am quite willing to consider "facts" and to acknowledge error when appropriate --- as I assume you are. However, much of what is in circulation about the JBS is NOT factual.

I have spent over 40 years researching the JBS and debating hundreds of its members. The JBS has blocked me from posting messages on its website because they do not like the facts I have uncovered and reported online in my 127-page Report on the JBS -- which is based, primarily, upon first-time-released FBI investigative files.

One of my main JBS antagonists is a JBS Chapter Leader in South Carolina. He describes me as "comrade" and "New World Order stooge" and "disinformation agent" and "false patriot" and "neutralizer" plus similar terms. Another major critic of mine is a JBS Coordinator from Massachusetts who considers me feeble-minded and who regularly attacks me online whenever I post messages about his lack of intellectual honesty regarding JBS history.

So ---- IF your approach is going to be the exact same type of criticism --- then bring it on! I have 4 decades of experience with it!

Former Member Wrote: Tighten your seat belt, Ernie. I will be back in a while with tons of facts, but I have something more pressing to attend to first. Of course, facts will not change your brilliant mind, but maybe they will prevent you from snowing your vast readership.

09-12-2011, 09:18 AM

ernie1241
PALM SPRINGS, CA
Posts: 6

CHUCK: Yes, your list is correct (as far as it goes) but it only proves what I originally said.

Some of those folks were Democrats (such as T. Coleman Andrews) and many of them were NOT millionaires or even particularly "rich" (including, for example, Andrews, Rev. Ginder, and Spruille Braden and others not shown on your list).

Some, like S.J. Conner and Thomas J. Anderson -- plus many more not shown on your list -- were what we would describe today as upper middle class.

Incidentally, just FYI, Charles Koch was a JBS member until May 1968 when he resigned at the request of JBS founder, Robert Welch. As far as I know, David Koch never was a member.

What concerns me more, however, is this transparent attempt by both you and Veronica to use sinister innuendo to present wealthy individuals as untrustworthy or lacking integrity or perhaps having defective values. I wonder if you apply that exact same principle to wealthy individuals who make large contributions to groups whose views you support OR do you always limit it to persons you perceive as conservatives???

Now--with respect to your comments about the TPM and possible connection to JBS:

I have already addressed the larger issue, i.e. their ideological differences. You refer to "JBS ideals" shared by the Tea Party which merit their financial support.

Let's put this on the other foot.

IF a progressive or liberal is approached by some committee or some organization based upon some general platitudes which reflect their common interests (such as, for example, labor union rights or an anti-war position, or favoring an increase in the minimum wage, or equal protection of our laws for minorities, etc.) --- AND it later is determined that the committee or organization was founded or controlled by Communist Party members or sympathizers, does that mean that

(1) the progressive or liberal must be "pro-Communist"??
(2) the progressive or liberal "while not exactly stupid, are easily indoctrinated"??
(3) the progressive or liberal deserve the moniker "sheeple" because they "respond readily" to Communist propaganda??

I suppose it is a natural human tendency to conflate similar things and pretend that they are identical. The JBS itself has certainly been guilty of that practice over the decades -- but we should resist the temptation to start thinking and behaving like them.

I say again: there is an entirely honorable, intelligent, legitimate, alternative competing position to your political preferences (albeit wrong-headed from your point of view) -- but deserving of respect nonetheless.

So stop attempting to de-legitimize everything and demonize everyone whose viewpoints diverge from your own. Stop attempting to paint caricatures of "rich millionaires" and "sheeple" and "extreme right" ideologues as your opponents. Based upon available evidence, Tea Party Movement adherents DO NOT share the bizarre and malicious ideas and values which underlie JBS dogma -- anymore than liberals in the 1940's or 1950's shared the ideas and values which motivated communists or neo-nazis in our country.

Facts matter
Accurate history matters
Believing falsehoods can, and usually does, have adverse consequences

Postscript:

With respect to this observation by you:

"So, Charles and David Koch pour millions into busses and expensive public speakers (like Sarah Palin) and a lot of television advertising promoting candidates that the Tea Baggers will vote for, believing that no taxes, no regulation, and no government support of anything is good for the common man (which Tea Baggers certainly are)"

(1) The Koch brothers do exactly the same thing as their left-wing counterparts without so much as a peep of disapproval from you.

(2) Sarah Palin: If you were familiar with JBS publications (which you obviously are not), you would know that the current CEO of the JBS wrote an article a while back in which he advised extreme caution about supporting Sarah Palin. The JBS despises Sen. John McCain. They view him as an enemy of their beliefs and values---so Sarah's association with McCain causes alarm bells to ring for Birchers. Furthermore, the JBS has a term ("Insiders") which describes the people whom they think actually run our country. Insiders are usually wealthy and powerful people who operate behind the scenes and control politicians as well as corporations and media and other large groups. The JBS has not made up its mind about Palin...They think she may be "controlled" by "Insiders" -- especially since her foreign policy viewpoints seem to correspond to neo-conservative positions which the JBS detests.

(3) Lastly, your description of what the TPM believes is a caricature.

They do not believe in "no taxes" or "no regulation" or "no government support of anything is good for the common man". But I guess it is important for you to believe that caricature so that you can feel justified in your animosity toward the TPM as a group of "enemies" who should be vanquished and rendered impotent in our society.

Making careful distinctions is one way we separate the rational from irrational intellect. I suggest that you carefully review TPM literature. Like every other movement in U.S. history, there is considerable difference of opinion within that movement. The one unifying principle however is that government is too intrusive in our lives and it spends too much. PLUS: the spending is often done without proper oversight. I imagine you have seen recent news reports which have stated that our government has estimated that TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS have been wasted in Iraq/Afghanistan --- for example, used by contractors who paid bribes or kickbacks to corrupt government officials and tribal figures and perhaps even to Al Qaeda (to permit use of roads without attack).

This type of waste, fraud, and abuse is not limited to Defense and State Department spending. It is pervasive throughout government (local, state, and national). If you doubt me, then I suggest you read GAO reports about government overspending OR just consider the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS which our educational establishment has been given over the past decade to teach our children. Then look at the results for all that money spent. Often, it is the case that school districts which have the lowest-per-capita spending on students have the greatest improvement in standardized test results.

TPM adherents don't see all this data as unrelated fluke information. They see gargantuan government as inevitably FILLED with waste and contract cost overruns plus outright fraud -- so we spend MILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars on things which nobody in their right mind supports (a Lawrence Welk Museum?; studies of mating habits of certain insects?; bridges to nowhere?, etc.) And NOBODY in Washington DC (or even at state level) is willing to do anything significant about it.

THAT explains the frustration and anger of the TPM at ALL government officials (Republican and Democrat).

09-12-2011, 03:20 PM

CARLITOS BAM-BAM
Dallas, TX
Posts: 897

Just like to say: great thread, great posts, great counter arguments (even though I don't necessarily agree completely with what anyone has said).

The Tea Party is not exactly the John Birch Society...to say otherwise is an obvious exaggeration, but they do have parallels.

The JBS surge in the late 50s was a reaction to Eisenhower's refusal to dismantle the New Deal.

The TPM manifested as a double-down reaction to Bush's failures as a "conservative" (which inevitably handed off the WH to Obama, according to the theory).

The JBS was more principled...in that they did not wait for JFK to be elected to organize out of outrage w/ Eisenhower....however, they never attained what the TPM has managed with respect to electoral politics (mainstream Republicans ran away from the Birchers).

In reality, I would say the legacy of the JBS is invested with the Ron Paul nebulai of far-right groups, as well as the Koch brothers influence over the TPM, but there are other forces vying for contention within the TPM- namely social conservatives, but also establishment Republican business groups (Chamber of Commerce) and political consultants and personalities (e.g., Dick Armey/Newt Gingrich).

09-12-2011, 06:34 PM

CARLITOS BAM-BAM
Dallas, TX
Posts: 897

Yeah, the JBS and TPM are both millenarian movements. I couldn't think of this word before.

It's a means of doubling-down on beliefs...through blaming the leadership of one's faction for the failure to achieve desired group outcomes.

09-13-2011, 08:56 AM

ernie1241
PALM SPRINGS, CA
Posts: 6

I agree with your observations. There are "parallels" which would always be the case between and among ANY right-wing groups but it is wrong to conflate the JBS with the Tea Party Movement. Birchers are quite unique in their interpretations and prescriptions.

JBS founder Robert Welch was convinced that GOP establishment politicians "stold" the 1952 Presidential nomination from Sen. Robert A. Taft. Welch was convinced that had Taft been nominatd, he would have been elected and he would have dismantled FDR's New Deal and Truman's Fair Deal programs.

Similarly, the JBS thinks Ronald Reagan was a "phony conservative" and both Presidents Bush were captives of "Insiders" who are the real controlling power within our politics.

CARLITOS BAM-BAM Wrote: Just like to say: great thread, great posts, great counter arguments (even though I don't necessarily agree completely with what anyone has said).

The Tea Party is not exactly the John Birch Society...to say otherwise is an obvious exaggeration, but they do have parallels.

The JBS surge in the late 50s was a reaction to Eisenhower's refusal to dismantle the New Deal.

The TPM manifested as a double-down reaction to Bush's failures as a "conservative" (which inevitably handed off the WH to Obama, according to the theory).

The JBS was more principled...in that they did not wait for JFK to be elected to organize out of outrage w/ Eisenhower....however, they never attained what the TPM has managed with respect to electoral politics (mainstream Republicans ran away from the Birchers).

In reality, I would say the legacy of the JBS is invested with the Ron Paul nebulai of far-right groups, as well as the Koch brothers influence over the TPM, but there are other forces vying for contention within the TPM- namely social conservatives, but also establishment Republican business groups (Chamber of Commerce) and political consultants and personalities (e.g., Dick Armey/Newt Gingrich).

09-13-2011, 03:36 PM

Veronica
Not Selected
Posts: 205

To (ernie): I don't want to make this a personal feud, but since you have already "flamed" me, by saying that I make "unfactual stmts, inaccurate stmts, wild and malicious stmts, to destroy an org I despise."
Sir, I do not waste my time writing anything dishonest, or fabricated. I have done my research for many long years, having met the Birch recruiters in 1962, (3 different times) with their suitcases full of books, pamphlets and brochures, of JBS propaganda. They were so good at their job, that they might have almost convinced me to join, but when they said "The Founding Fathers of the US government never intended for this nation to be a DEMOCRACY" -- I knew they were full of BS. (Hmmm J-BS?)

Then I met a nice couple who were fervent Birchers, & I saw them several times at various functions in the neighborhood. They worked at American Opinion bookstores, & chauffeured around their state's Senators & officials. They sent their little 10 yr old girl to Birch camp. I assumed that it would be a lot like a typical Girl Scouts camp, so when she got back, I asked her, "And what did you learn at camp today, honey?" She looked up at me, sweetly, and said, "Oh, we learned about all the people we (the Birchers) are going to torture when we take over." (meaning when they takeover the US govt). I was more than slightly appalled that they would be teaching stuff like that to little innocent children.

Later on, the subject turned to politics, where I was told by the mother, that all Democrats are "devils" and "Communists" and traitors to their govt. Well, I was a Democrat & my parents also were Democrats, and last time I looked, none of us were devils or Commies. In fact, I had gone to church every Sunday since I was 4 yrs old. My parents were strict, but pretty average in most of their ideas & the worst thing they did was play cards & go bowling. They voted for Roosevelt, Truman & Kennedy. And they taught me many good values. Like honesty, respect for others, sympathy for those less fortunate, love of God and a desire for Peace. And patriotism, like you love to see the Flag & all that it symbolizes. And to stand up for the Constitution, protect our rights, & above all protect freedom of speech & Liberty.

We are a mighty nation primarily because our Founders tried to make a Kingdom of God here on earth. It was one of their thoughts. While writing the Constitution, whenever they seemed to reach an impasse where they could not agree, they would stop for a few minutes of prayer. Then it seemed to all work out.
NOTE: You will never see this kind of compromise being tried by the Tea Party. Or the JBS. They have been brain-washed to ONE SIDE ONLY of any argument & NO DISSENT ALLOWED. That is one of the strictest rules of the JBS (so they are used to being dictated to). And if people "get used" to a sort of dictatorship in that organization, it is only a short step to snapping the jaws of dictatorship around them in their regular daily lives. Also, it may be sort of an IQ test. I think only the gullible & slightly dumb would allow someone to dictate their every thought & action to them, with no dissent allowed. The very backbone of Democracy is that we all "think for ourselves" & NOT BE CLONES who take orders from some very questionable sources. I can't imagine anyone being proud to announce "Hello Rush, I am a "ditto head" --- It is like announcing "Hi Rush, I can't think for myself or have my own ideas, so all I can do is listen to your show, full of crazy BS lies, & parrot them back." (demonstrating a very low IQ).

And by the way, WHO IS Rush Limbaugh? He was born in a small town in Missouri, where his daddy was a lawyer, who owned part of the airport and the radio station. Big fish in a small town. Rush was not extremely physically fit, so he was not much into sports. When the Draft came along for the Viet Nam War, most guys went to college to avoid serving in the military. But Rush flunked out of college, partly due to drug useage, and not completing his papers with usual citations. So, his father called upon the local doctor to say Rush was "4F" classification, so he would not have to serve in the military, or put his life on the line in Viet Nam, like 100,000's of other guys who were not so lucky (to have a butt cyst).

I normally would not care what Rush did in college, or what drugs he took, or what physical problem he used to avoid the Draft. But later on, he got involved in right wing RADIO propaganda, which had big
influence on Americans opinions for the last 26 years, a whole generation being raised listening to total BS spewing forth from the giant windbag. It's amazing how many people could actually BELIEVE all his nonsense, but he was a great speaker, I'll give him that. (& there is a SUCKER born every minute).
Anyway, somewhere along the line, Reagan dissolved the Fairness Doctrine, which said the media had to show "both sides of every issue." So from then on, Rush was free to spread his manure all over the airwaves with NO DISSENT ALLOWED. Nobody allowed to refute his statements, or argue with him.

Gee, that sounds a whole lot like the Birch Society, doesn't it? (Robt Welch's idea that no member will ever be allowed to argue with him, debate any issue, or register any words of DISSENT). It is like the old Commie / Nazi rules in any Fascist Society -- nobody dares to argue with the Feuhrer.

So Rush could blast Democrats 24/7 -- for 26 years -- & never have any interference with his one-man Propaganda Machine. Despite ALL his topics were "political" -- and he spent ALL his time either giving high praise & idolatry to the GOP, -- or "demonizing" all Liberals -- he says its only "Entertainment."

During those years, Rush spent the night at the Bush WhiteHouse, for his service in promoting GOP candidates on the airwaves. Also, Rush was making a radio salary of at least $14 million (& much MORE later on) -- and then the GOP made him an "honorary member of Congress." Can you believe that? All you have to do to be an "honorary member of the GOP congress" -- is flunk out of college, get a phoney deferment from military service, do some drugs, & tell lies all day on the radio. Hey, that sounds pretty good to me. Where do I sign up? All the poor unemployed people in this country, & he is able to make MILLION$ -- by being a Doper, Drop-Out, Draft Dodger, & DiscJockey. [for the GOP].
I would not give a damn what Rush did, ever at all in his life, except that this bamboozler has caused HALF of this whole nation to believe ludicrous horrible lies -- for the purpose of molding political opinion -- to get some awful crooks (& traitors) elected to high office. Their supreme Motivator is GREED, & their purpose is POWER. And they do not ever intend to share their power, or their money with anyone in the world. It is a "closed Club" -- Members only, -- you gotta obey the Rules --- LIE, CHEAT & STEAL, and be as GREEDY as you possibly can -- Do NOT share the Wealth (except to other Republicans, of course). RIG ELECTIONS, which means the DEATH of DEMOCRACY. But little mind to that, because they DO NOT BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY anyway. (JBS pure philosophy from Robt Welch).

QUOTING now from "The Blue Book" (JBS Member Manual) - 7th printing, 1961 by Robt Welch, being published by the Birch Society's own publishing house: Western Islands, (Belmont & Boston, MA)
---(page 124)--- Robt Welch wrote this: "The John Birch Society is to be a monolithic body".."The John Birch Society will operate under completely authoritative control at all levels." "And of course, as every man in this room clearly recognizes -- "DEMOCRACY, in government or organization, is merely a deceptive phrase, a weapon of demagoguery, and a perennial fraud."

NOTE: This is only ONE place where Welch expresses his total distaste for Democracy. It is basically his MAIN CONCEPT. He even says the Founders did NOT intend for the US to be a Democracy.
OF COURSE, those of us who did not flunk out of school, learned very early that IN FACT our Founders DID intend for this to be a Democracy. (Govt of the people, by the people & for the people) as it was expressed by President Abraham Lincoln.

But WELCH apparently flunked his civics classes, or else hoped to convince underachievers in his membership that our REALITY was not TRUE. The whole thing about Birch mentality is just like the Tea Party, they use "doublespeak" where everything is backwards and upside down. The phrases: War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength. (From the novel "1984" by George Orwell). In that novel, the primary character (Winston) had a job "re-writing history" -- all day long he had to find contradictions in what the party leaders had said, & what was really going on. WHEN he found one of those, he had to RE-WRITE HISTORY to make it fit the Party's version. Then, the REAL documents went "down the memory hole"
(which means they went to the furnace to be burned),

The Party (in Geo Orwell's world) had total control over everything, even people's thoughts. The people were spied upon all the time, with all kinds of surveillance equipment, BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU. If you were caught doing anything the Party did not like, you would be arrested, tortured, & eventually killed. Often people were killed for "ThoughtCrime" - thinking something the Party did not like. Every day, people had to show up to watch the HATE Speech of the day, from Big Brother, (on a huge screen TV). They were told who the "enemy" of the day was, & which war they were fighting.

This novel predicted so many things that are actually going on today. How about the large screen TV's? We just got those recently. And only fairly recently we have had creepy peepy cameras doing major surveillance on us at every intersection and store. But Orwell wrote about all those with total accuracy, in 1949. (SIXTY-TWO years ago). He died in 1950. He never got to see any of that come to pass.

Now, in 2011, in Texas, they are busy Re-Writing HISTORY in our nation's school Textbooks. They are altering Reality, to tell it the way the Birchers want it to be told. Fasten your seat belts, before you try to read any of those. They have turned it all backwards & upside down. ("doublespeak" incarnate).

I usually do not like to go into personal experience, but THIS is where I get a lot of my knowledge about the Birch Society. Meeting Birchers, talking to Birchers, interacting with them in person and on the internet. (Their trying to recruit me 3 times) Hearing about their agenda, how they infiltrate churches to turn the congregation into right wing echo chambers. And to get rid of any "liberal" preachers. How they infiltrate Democrat political campaigns to disrupt communications, to siphon off donations, to discourage supporters. They go to PTA meetings to try to get rid of "liberal" teachers. They have used stolen letterhead stationary to spread lies & turn potential voters away. Much of this has been discussed in articles about Nixon era "dirty tricks." The Birch tactics are NOT the way the Founders of this nation intended. Many Birch tactics are definitely unConstitutional. And they do not even believe in Democracy ----- So EXCUSE ME, if I find their organization obnoxious & unacceptable.

09-13-2011, 03:49 PM

CARLITOS BAM-BAM
Dallas, TX
Posts: 897

to ernie1241: Right, but the TPM, as a pan-conservative/libertarian movement, does include Bircher types (a.k.a the OLD RIGHT).

I tend to agree w/ the JBS assessment of Reagan. He was a phony Conservative, considering today's standards for par. He never stopped admiring FDR, even as he became a Republican.....he was not against what survived of the New Deal. He was against the Great Society. He was against the USSR.

I mean, come on! Reagan blew up the deficit....and invigorated the Earned Income Tax Credit. And as Dick Cheney said, "Reagan proved deficits don't matter."--(Oh, and by the way, they're right...it's an account identity. National Debt=Net Private Savings, to the penny!)--Then, he turned around and made peace with the Soviets. The VP, George H.W. Bush, and his realist circle thought Reagan had gone insane, and took steps to nullify what Reagan had done, only to watch the Soviets crumble under the weight of peaceful revolution.

And as far as the corruption that the Tea Party seeks to route out of government....Pres. Reagan was no shiny ideal of such truth and honesty in public officials.

09-13-2011, 11:00 PM

Veronica
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Posts: 205

I AM HERE TO SPEAK about the SURVIVAL of DEMOCRACY on the Face of the Earth. THE FACTS are that the JBS has been using subversive tactics (against the US govt) for the last FIFTY YEARS, I have talked to their recruiters and their members (& studied hundreds of references, including their own Birch Society Manual -- "The Blue Book." The first CLUE should be that They Do NOT Believe that the US is a Democracy, or that the Founders ever intended for it to be one. THIS IS ROBT WELCH's own personal Philosophy, and this belief informs all his decisions & all his teachings to Birch members. If they do not believe in the FOUNDATION of this Nation, being a DEMOCRACY, then they are totally divorced from REALITY, & denying our proud History (of 235 years),.

And If we allow this belief to flourish (that we were not intended to have a Democracy here) then we are aiding and abetting the Fascist types who are all too ready to usurp OUR POWER --- to take it away from We the People, and give it to all the Rich Industrialists, & Corporations who have made it abundantly clear in recent times that they do not give a hoot at all whether any of us (American workers) survive or live or breathe at all. They can always use alien labor, or the Chinese work force to produce whatever they are selling. Because GREED is the only thing that motivates them. Patriotism certainly does not. They will only finance politicians who will INCREASE their PROFIT MARGIN, & not care HOW that is accomplished.

Right now, the Republicans in Wisc & Ohio are busy taking away jobs, & trying to destroy Unions in their state, which essentially makes the ordinary worker a slave to their bosses. They will no longer be able to ask for any benefits, or negotiate a contract that guarantees their job security. Or even safety in the workplace. Things which US laborers have worked for during the entire last century, are being repealed by the dozen, ALL done by the GOP. --- PLUS, they are trying to limit our ability to VOTE. (a keystone to democracy).

Someone asked why do I seem to be a bit hostile to all the Rich in this country? Well, I am usually specific on WHICH Rich person I am talking about, but in general, they do not seem to care about their own workers, much less anybody else. They have their own club, & nobody else matters. You have to be a GOP, very wealthy, & use that money to increase your own POWER. You do not mind if you use your money to demolish the US govt, while waging endless useless wars all over the globe, just as long as you can steal more OIL from some Godforsaken piece of desert, someplace in Asia or Arabia. You may have trillions of dollars, mostly stolen from Social Security funds, but you will not share a dime of it to help the people whose houses were foreclosed due to crooked GOP business practices, or who now do not have jobs, due to GOP hiring the aliens for cheaper wages. And outsourcing our industry & jobs overseas.

The Birch Society does NOT believe in Democracy, so they don't believe We the People should have any say-so over our own country, that we built and fought for and died for in many other useless wars. NOW they have rigged the system so only GOP can win, & for some reason they prefer some psycho half-wit over any sane intelligent person who could be running. Many of their candidates obviously flunked 5th grade history, & have very little concept of how to run a huge govt like the United States. WHY do the high level GOP (& Birchers) want these idiot flunkies to be elected? Answer pure & simple: CONTROL. No matter who gets elected, they will be too stupid to actually do their job, so it will only be the same "good old boy" network that has always controlled the GOP. Pulling the puppet strings behind the scenes.
-------The Birch Society objective: To take over the GOP, & then use that as a vehicle to Take Over the whole United States government.
(Since they do not believe in Democracy, they want to install a Fascist type of govt, that will dictate to us, like Welch and Rush have done for decades now --- they have "conditioned" us to accept NO DISSENT, & to basically accept Dictatorship).

It is basically a waste of time to worry about what labels they use. The Birch Society objective to take over the GOP began in 1958, & was highly successful by 1964, when Goldwater was the Birch candidate running on GOP ticket. QUOTES of ROBT WELCH: in the Blue Book (JBS manual) "Now the one man who comes nearest to measuring up to all needs and qualifications that we see on the political horizon is Barry Goldwater. I know Barry fairly well, a great American." (p.108) ----- "Barry Goldwater has political know-how & the genius to use it. A superb political organizer, stands by his Americanist principles. I'd love to see him President of the United States." (p.109) - "I [Welch] personally supported Barry Goldwater for the Republican nomination, Two-thirds of our members did the same. One-third were for Nixon." (p.101)

When the JBS objective was "to take over the GOP" -- they did exactly that. By the 1970's, the GOP had Nixon (who had to resign before he got impeached) in 1973-1974, Then Gerald Ford (had been VP) succeeded him. Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon to keep him out of jail, & then   in 1980, we got Ronald Reagan, who ran a "black list" on Hollywood actors who he claimed were Communists. Testified before the HUAC. and later said "there was no black list -- the Communists made it up themselves." Later Reagan sold NATO missiles to the Ayatollah in Iran, while the Ayatollah was holding our embassy staff hostage for 444 days. Selling arms to the enemy is officially listed as "Treason." Also, at the beginning of his Presidency, Reagan abruptly stopped all disability payts to people who needed it to survive, including many Viet Nam War veterans. Many died or committed suicide before their payts were resumed. (It was discovered that his reason for stopping disability payts was to "uncover fraud" & instead, they found out that no fraud, in fact, had actually occurred.) Then Reagan disregarded Congress and gave aid to the Contras in South America. He fired Air Traffic Controllers (which weakened our unions). He made a deal with the Iran leader to keep holding our US embassy staff hostage until after the 1980 election, so Jimmy Carter could not take credit for releasing them. Reagan's polling indicated Carter may have been re-elected if the hostages had been released, so the GOP just "rigged" the election a little bit. What else is new?

Then we had 2 George Bushes. Two invasions of Iraq. The first one was done because (unknown to most) Daddy Bush owned oil wells in Kuwait, so we had to get them out of Saddam Hussein's hands quick. After Daddy Bush TOLD Saddam Hussein it was OK for him to take over Kuwait, since it had once been a geographic part of Iraq. But then Bush had a sudden change of heart, & we invaded Iraq for about ONE MONTH. Then 8 yrs later, "W" Bush decided to stage a re-run to gain popularity among the Hawk crowd, & we had the first pre-emptive strike in American history -- Shock & Awe (2003). Of course this was against all treaties, & officially a War Crime, but who cares? Baby Bush is used to getting his way since infancy. Instead of playing with plastic toy soldiers in his sand box, he got real LIVE soldiers, with all kinds of neat machinery & even loud Boom Booms, causing huge clouds of dust & sand to fill the sky, almost as neat as a mushroom cloud. He really wanted that. But he had to be satisfied with a toadstool cloud, & a whole big "sandy" desert to play with. Even lots of camels and whole cities to blow up. It was the perfect toy for a Chicken Hawk -- you can check this out, almost everyone in the Bush cabinet was a Chicken Hawk --- they really love war, as long as they never have to fight in one. Do you get it? "Hawkish" about a war, but too "Chicken" to actually serve in it. The list of GOP Chicken Hawks in politics & media is VAST.

Since mass gathering at Political Rallies is NO LONGER to fight the Communists, the old Cold War slogans do not work any more to arouse the voters. So they invented the TEA PARTY, which is (coincidentally) a Big JOHN BIRCH issue, since their beginning in 1958. Here is a big issue where the 2 groups totally coincide. Remember, the Tea Party said T.E.A. means "taxed enough already"? They'd gotten organized (supposedly) due to high taxation. Remember this: TEA party is anti-TAXES. Now you can go back to the JBS in the early days, By 1961 they had "front groups" for many specific purposes. One of them was called ORFIT - Organization to Repeal the Federal Income Tax. Their incessant screams about paying taxes were peeling paint off the Congressional walls. Of course, any thinking person knows that Taxes are the "lifeblood" of any government, and are totally necessary to pay for the expenses of govt. Such as Congress salaries, the upkeep of the White House & Congress bldgs. The payment for all the monuments in Wash DC, plus all the national parks and all the Air Bases around the world. All the military troops salaries, plus jet planes & arsenals of weapons for our military. Taxes pay for NASA space research, our highways and interstate roads, subsidies for the farmers & railroads. Taxes pay for Homeland Security, the FBI, & United Nations. THE LIST IS ENDLESS. So why are people so aggravated about paying Taxes? I think you get a whole lot for your money. You get to be a citizen of the greatest nation in the history of the world.

10-15-2011, 11:27 AM

ernie1241
PALM SPRINGS, CA
Posts: 6

Veronica: To properly respond to your lengthy message would require more space than is permitted here. Let me briefly address a couple points you raise:

(1) WELCH--JBS and "NO DISSENT ALLOWED"

You are quoting dry words from a publication without knowing how those words were actually applied within the JBS -- and the reasons.

I have acquired a considerable amount of private correspondence between and among JBS National Council members as well as rank and file members which is archived in Special Collections at various colleges and universities and state historical societies around our country. I can assure you that your caricature is false. There were major disagreements within the JBS about all sorts of matters.

The purpose of Welch's comments (which you characterize as "Welch's idea that no member will ever be allowed to argue with him, debate any issue, or register any words of DISSENT") -- was in reference to what Welch believed would be an organized effort by infiltrators who wanted to use the JBS for their own purposes.

If you are familiar with the history of the Communist Party in our country you will know that labor unions were a prime target for Communist infiltration. One Communist tactic was to pack a labor union meeting with several CP members and stay longer than all other participants and harrass the union speakers or officers so that nothing significant could be accomplished at the meeting. Similarly, Communists would attempt to predominate at meetings where voting took place by outlasting all their critics and opponents -- using delaying tactics so that when the vote finally took place their crowd would prevail.

THAT type of tactic is what Welch was concerned about --- i.e. having local JBS chapters rendered ineffective because of one or two people who wanted to control the chapter or neutralize it -- for example: racists or anti-semites or perhaps left-wing radicals who wanted to destroy the JBS.

(2) NOT A DEMOCRACY

Actually Welch is correct about that. As any historian will tell you, the majority of adults living in the U.S. at the time our Constitution was created were NOT eligible to vote and that was intentional. Our founding fathers did not think democracy was a practical option for such a large country. Furthermore, there were concerns (based upon recent events in France for example) that democracy would lead to mob rule.

(3) FINAL COMMENTS

There are plenty of valid reasons to reject the JBS. But your comments are NOT factual. You simply despise anything you perceive as right-of-center and you construct cartoon caricatures of your perceived opponents.

10-16-2011, 07:41 AM

sreed
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Posts: 7

Both sides have their extreme groups. I think if you pay real close attention you'll find that we are all caught up in going at each other as a nation of citizens that for the most part all really want the same thing and wether or not you want to avoid a label, most all of us are conservative at heart. Look at how you would manager your own family and values. How you protect your children and the values you teach them in regards to respect and such. Look how you manage your check book and financces. How do you treat your parents and reflect on them. Then look to how you want your future to look like. As crazy as it sounds, if written down the greater daily important things to all of us would look so similar.
One problem I have is from those who label conservatives as Republicans. Give the best people in this nation a bad name. There are conservatives in both parties. It's the extremist on both sides that cause the problem for the vast majority. I have read the above blogs and thought to myself, you could have replaced the JBS group with the Sorros clan and had the very same argument about the current administration. As one of you said follow the money. Look at how the entire news media is split with extreme bias. Fox News with Republicans and all others with Democratics.
I can't stand either party to be honest. Both are at a power struggle and ultimately want the same thing and at our expense. It's not Republicans nor Democrats. We are just too stupid to stop going at each other and go after both sides. The Bilderburg Group have eliteist from both political sides in it. To respond to the JBS views, some 50 years later you can see that flouride is bad for you now (actually horrible for your teeth), he seems to be correct on the United Nations and wrong on JFK.
We are in a Global crisis created by greed on both sides. I will not excuse Wall Street but people like Warren Buffet are Wall Street and he gets a hero's welcome while he manipulates market shares just like the rest of them. Yet all the idiots want to blame just Bush on the bad economy who was the only guys warning us about the housing bubble and the effect of Fannie and Freddie. He's no saint but come on tards the Federal Reserve and Frank promoted the notion that everything was OK with everyone should have the right to buy regardless of ability to pay. For the finger pointers to the right side look at all those who profited from the collapse has been propped up by this current administration. How did AIG get a bailout when they profited by betting the housing would collapse when they were the insurance on sub-prime?
Every time I see an argument stating how the left or right is the problem, I just see them winning and we the people loosing. The latest diversion is to have us pitted against each other by using race. The true racist are those who still profit from the subject of racism. This country has moved to be the greatest on the planet towards overcoming racism and now it is being falsely media led hard, right back in full swing into our society. It never went away, nor ever will but look how far we came and now where we are headed. This type of tool is going to be bad, bad, bad news for the country and ultimately for minorities. It helps now (much like houses for everyone) but in the long run who gets hurt. Look at the minority unemployment. A Federally led education program has killed all hope for education but has helped the indoctrination of political agenda. Thanks Rockafeller (thats where our school problem came from)

Both sides have used the Marx play book but he didn't invent it. The Muslim religion has practiced this for 1300 years now. The peaceful groups set up small communities, schools and local government then influence their surroundings then get led to extremism by indoctrination. The Christians (i'm a christian) for over 2000 yrs. Before that it was God or the Sun God or what ever. The problem is not the everyday person. It is and always has been the extemist who had done all the harm. All of us on both sides need to quit being led like sheep to go after one another. Either way you will lose and I don't care which side you are on. We need to all come together and claim or reclaim the idea of small government controlled collectively by the prople. There was a time when people had real help in this country and that was from each other not government.
The division will bring this country down. It's going to happen. we will come together again but I think we will have to go thru another civil war to remind us of how we became a great nation. If we were such a bad nation then why have people from every nation been fighting to get in. Noone has been hard pressed to get out.

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