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2011-04-15 12:21 PM
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CARLITOS BAM-BAM
Dallas, TX
Posts: 897

Yeah that's right, kudos to Paul Ryan for bankrupting GOP opposition to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). 

As I recently pointed out on another post.....this guy is advocating near Obama and Romney- care style reforms of Medicare, which is you know, the Canadian part of our health system.  

Radical conservatives have already vomited from ingesting this reality and firmly rejected the Paul Ryan plan. For these right-wingers, a neo-liberal(conservative?) alternative is just as hard to swallow as the Canadian style social insurance it would replace.  Yet, for the most part, the GOP and its rebellious Tea Party insurgency have rallied to support Ryan's run with the budget football.  

The point is that if Obamacare was socialism....for introducing the concept of consumer minded regulation in the health insurance marketplace with means tested subsidies….just what the hell is the Ryan plan?

Well….it’s not the Affordable Care Act for Medicare….the details pertaining to regulation are rather weak and the subsidies are not indexed to rise with medical inflation, but it does propose to create a minimum catastrophic flooring for the sick and elderly.  The whole plan centers on creating savings through competition, to prevent costs from rising past the taxpayer supported subsidies offered. 

Erroneously, Ryan compares it with the federally regulated congressional healthcare plans that he gets to choose from as a Congressman….but there isn’t any means test, and regardless of the costs of the plan that they choose, taxpayers are on the hook for a flat percentage, which is, by the way, also indexed to account for medical inflation.

Ultimately, the Ryan plan puts enormous pressure on enrollees to control costs for their own sake.  Imagine that.  Ryan wants those with the least amount of market information to comparison shop-tell-they-drop, to stretch the purchasing power of the subsidies that they receive.  Here’s the problem….medical consumers don’t have access to pricing going into hospitals or provider care centers…and when you need emergency care….the whole concept of market negotiations break down.  Stabilizing care is going to happen and someone is going to pay….and if Medicare enrollees are inevitably forced to pay more of this burden…costs are going to rise with the waning negotiating power of government on senior’s behalf. 

It would also appear then that this fitness freak is trying to discipline people into managing their own health, to prevent the onset of costly disease and sickness. The voice of Ayn Rand in Paul Ryan’s head has not been suffocated, but assuaged in a grand bargain for political stardom.

 As noted, this plan involves a lot of government, in the form of regulated markets and taxpayer supported subsidies, i.e. “vouchers” or “market premiums,” what every you want to call them.  This is not free-market libertarianism…but it does move more responsibility for finding healthcare solutions from the government to seniors themselves.  

Call it the love child of Obamacare and Ayn Rand, or simply, Katrina-Care for Seniors.  The GOP was projecting with their cries of Death Panels during the Affordable Care Act debates.  Now, they are ready to initiate the Cleansing for the sake of balancing the budget. 

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Look, our health care system is the most DECENTRALIZED in the entire world.  
It's really 5 systems.
Medicare and Medicaid...that's the Canadians and the French
Employment based healthcare....that's the Germans
The VA and Native American government delivered healthcare....and that's the British
Healthcare cooperatives…that’s the Scots
Regulated private insurance exchanges..(coming to all states in 2014) .that's the Swiss

Then you got system divisions by the political borders of the states themselves,

Look...let's get with it.....Medicare for all and a global payment structure...could radically alter healthcare delivery for the better in the United States. 

Politically, it's still a tough sell.  But I believe the Republicans are going to China on this one, so to speak,…they just don't all know it yet.   
Hell, even in Texas, Lt. Governor David Dewhurst and our heavy Republican state congress are seeking to implement global payment alternatives to the current fee-for-service payment system for Medicaid.

 This is El Prezidente Kaboom, your healthcare reform warrior. 

Eric De La Cruz & Healthcare Reform


Comments are welcome. 

  


2011-04-17 02:23 PM
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CARLITOS BAM-BAM
Dallas, TX
Posts: 897
Another thing about consumer-choice in the healthcare insurance and provider markets.....Shit just ain't that competitive....give me a break....in the end, the biggest cost-conscious choice that consumers make is in purchasing insurance....which  limits the choices they have for provider care, diluting the competition for their co-pay dollars.    

Global-payment Medicare-for-all, with means tested co-pays,  could actually make the provider market more competitive and efficient.....
We are waisting money on middle men that we don't need! 

Look....I support the Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act.....because it's an improvement upon the existing system...
To be sure, the complexities of global payment systems and the administrative aspects of universal Medicare leave much to consider and debate; but overwhelming evidence suggests that universal social insurance with  global payment systems and competitive provider markets with  means-tested copays  is preferable to regulated private health insurance with even similar global payment reform structures.  
 
Now, I support the compromises in the Affordable Care Act, because I believe it will basically reduce health insurances companies to near billing services.  To be sure, health plans will still vary......but federal minimums will fundamentally transform marketplace business models....No longer will health insurance companies compete on unethical terms.  Denial for pre-existing conditions will be outlawed....85% of revenues will have to go to patient care.  Copay caps, abolition of annual and lifetime coverage limits,  and means tested subsidies will provide a substantial catastrophic coverage flooring.  Preventative health service coverage will realize long-term savings...Consumers will not be sold products designed to rob them and then dump them penniless and sick on the taxpayer and charity to take care of.  That is not Capitalism.....that's unadulterated fascist neo-serfdom.....and it's over. 

Combed with further reforms such as the broadscale implementation of global-payment systems....and the adoption of public options on the state exchanges or even their wholesale replacement by universal state Medicaid models by "blue" state-publics...which is possible under the Affordable Care Act, see Vermont, and I believe this legislation will prove extraordinary. 

Politically, what went down during the healthcare debates was a near national riot by conservatives.....in my opinion, things dangerously came close to Civil War....so I make no apologies for the compromises that were necessary to get a bill through Congress.  As I've said before, the Democratic Party is a highly diverse lot and our internal debates are the most pertinent for public policy, that we don't all agree on universal-Medicare is not a testament to weakness, it is an example of the real strength of our party. 
Universal Medicare and public options...require an enormous amount of thought and planning.  We have the resources to get the job done, but numerous ideological, legal, and constitutional questions burden the fray, requiring strong intellectual maturity to conceptualize a full reconcilement that has strong political viability; and given the state of conservative 'psyches,' these questions only add more fuel to the toxic politcal climate that today still has Republicans interfering with the basic provisions of the ACA act. I'm telling you, if we had nationalized the health insurance industry, there would have been blood in the streets.....that's how divided this country is on socialism.....even for insurance purposes. 

So to those on the left who are holdouts on congratulating  the Democrats on a well-won battle to pass the ACA....I say Get With It
8 presidents tried, 7 presidents failed.
President Obama and the Democrats did more than has ever been done to rectify the wrongs in the health insurance market.  That's right, more than has ever been done.  More needs to be done, but credit is due, where credit is due.  Support Obama..be proud to be a Democrat and fight for a public option or universal Medicaid in your state....
2011-04-17 05:21 PM

Schmidt
Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 1058
Kaboom, you have summarized nicely most of the arguments in support of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (aka ObamaCare).  I know its a confusing topic for many Americans that are often twisted by the misinformation pushed by their politicians and media sources, but many of these falsehoods all originate with the health care insurance industry that feels threatened.

And why should they feel threatened?  I think one of the key points in your summary is the provision that 85% of revenues will have to go to patient care. So how do these insurance company dictated numbers compare with Medicare?  According to the Social Security Trustees report, the administrative cost of Medicare is 1.3 percent!!!!

So insurance companies are being held to something like 15 percent overhead and profit while Medicare is operating at just 1.3 percent and no profit.  The 15 percent is actually a low number by historical standards. You can see why Joseph Liebermann scuttled plans to lower the Medicare eligible age to 55. They are scared that the gravy train for health insurance CEOs and other minions pulling down multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses will become a thing of the past.

Okay if you go to right wing websites, you'll find that these Trustee numbers on costs are challenged with some voodoo looking analyses .  But it's hard to find fault with the numbers...the accounting is done by bi-partisn trustees and haven't changed much year after year.  Those are the facts for Democratic administrations and Republican administrations...1.3 percent!  I had to say it again.

So your statement says it all:  "Global-payment Medicare-for-all, with means tested co-pays,  could actually make the provider market more competitive and efficient.....We are waisting money on middle men that we don't need! "

There are other good provisions for holding down costs that you have covered, but I just wanted to add this point that is often missed by the TV pundits.  Medicare for all...yes.
2011-04-17 09:10 PM
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CARLITOS BAM-BAM
Dallas, TX
Posts: 897
Ideology needs to be thrown out the window.....Healthcare Reform is about Unionism...making this country whole, making this country great.  The current system is an outright national disgrace...and we all should hold our heads in shame.  It's enough to make me want to cry.   PEOPLE NEED F@#%ING  HELP....Good honest decent folks are getting screwed....Families across the nation have been destroyed by their inability to recieve affordable and adequate health services....
Many people question why Obama and the Democrats went after Healthcare Reform amidst a recession and staggering unemployment.....well I tell you why, because medical costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in this nation, several years running, despite even the onslaught of this heinous recession.  The housing crash was just on top of several malignant economic disasters in education, energy, and healthcare that this country continues to reel from.....
and don't get me started about infrastructure....but fact is...roads and bridges are falling apart and we are not building a 21st century transportation system.  But we can sure blow some shit up in other countries, can't we!
This while official unemployment hovers in the 8%-9% range, but we know real unemployment is much higher than that...
10 million + undocumented quasi-slave workers remain in the shadows, lured by American dollars....and even the kids of undocumented workers, who were brought here as minors can't get a pathway to citizenship.  Meanwhile our country continues to do so much illicit dope that nearly all of Central and South America remains a narco-warzone...where criminal gangs rival the power of elected governments.. by making a killing off American prohibition.  Yet, we continue to view the drug war from a get-tough point of view that has led to the largest prison population on Earth? 


My God...what hell have cometh in the Big Darkness?  
America the Beautiful, no more?  Now only the Cold and Depraved?
2011-05-06 02:17 PM

deist22
new port richey, FL
Posts: 25
What is wrong with Republicans? Have they gone stark, raving mad?  Republicans claim we have the best health system in the world. A lie! We have the most EXPENSIVE health system in the world and the last time I checked Google, we were about 28th in the best health system category. Their idea of giving vouchers to people over 65 in ten years so they can give the wealthiest Americans a l0% tax cut is absurd. There are millions of people in England, Canada, France, etc. that have a BETTER health system that we have and at a lot less cost. Our health system is best for doctors, hospitals and INSURANCE COMPANIES.  Our present governor in Fla. owned an health insurance company before he ran for governor. He retired with a net worth of over 200 MILLION DOLLARS.  IS IT ANY WONDER WHY WE HAVE THE MOST EXPENSIVE HEALTH SYSTEM IN THE WORLD? Also, the Republicans claim that they will give the wealthiest Americans a l0% tax cut, but they will close all the loopholes in our tax system. The truth is that 70 years ago the very rich paid an income tax rate of 9l%. Thanks to the rich-loving Republicans legislators the very rich are now paying an income tax rate of 30%. a drop of 6l% while the middle-class rate of income tax has gone up from 8% to roughly 22% in 70 years. The Republicans claim they are going to close all income tax loopholes for the rich. THE BIGGEST INCOME TAX LOOPHOLE OF ALL IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY LOWERING THE TAX RATE FROM 9l% to 30% FORTHE VERY RICH! THAT IS THE LOOPHOLE THAT NEEDS CLOSING REAL BADLY. God bless.
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