MCGOVERN: Well, the people running our policy toward that part of the world have great difficulty distinguishing between what they perceive to be the strategic interests of Israel, on one hand, and the strategic interests of the United States on the other.
These are the so-called neocons. They used to work, some of them, in think-tanks for the Israeli government. And they‘ve imposed this policy, which is designed to do the same things that U.S. policy for the last four decades have done. The only difference is: We started a war this time.
CARLSON: But why wouldn‘t attack Syria or Iran? I mean, the Israeli would tell you—they told me right before the war—those were the more imminent threats to them, they thought.
MCGOVERN: Well, no, Iraq was the ultimate target, second-largest oil deposits, a ruthless dictator that could be removed. The Israelis were pulling very, very strong for our attack on Iraq.
And, more important, they are doing exactly the same thing now for us to attack Iran. Iran is no threat to us, but it could be construed as a threat to Israel‘s nuclear... As you know, any mention of the word Israel in the media or attempts to have an intellectual discussion of Israel's role in Middle East unrest brings out the avid defenders and accusations of anti-Semitism. For that reason, I won't get into much of that history, but I will say it again and again...the road to peace in the Middle East begins in Gaza, and until the US government, whether Democratic or Republican, is willing to take on the Israel Lobby and have an honest public discussion about not only the horrible living conditions of Palestinians living in Gaza, but also the West Bank illegal settlements, the situation will continue to fester. Ha...the United States just vetoed another another UN resolution condemning Israel for their illegal settlements. It wasn't the first time, nor will it be the last time. But this much I am certain of...every time the United States acts alone in defending Israel's actions, that news is magnified all over the Arab world...it does not serve US interests, and it only prolongs the day that Israel will have to come to some kind of accomodation with the millions of displaced Palestinians living in the squalor of refugee camps. And every day Israel's position becomes weaker...time is not on their side. And if several Arab dictatorships do indeed convert to "democracy" that day will come sooner than later. Their leaders are gambling with their country's future. We need more "Ray McGoverns" to keep our government honest...Israel needs to listen also. Getting back to the protest movements going on right now thoughout the Middle East Arab countries, each country indeed is a delicate situation for the United States. Bahrain, in particular, is very very difficult. Quoting the Times of India, "As political unrest shakes its tiny Gulf ally Bahrain, much more is at stake for the United States than just the fate of the US Fifth Fleet's base...Also in play are Washington's extensive strategic ties with Bahrain's influential oil-rich neighbor Saudi Arabia and efforts by US arch-foe Iran to spread its influence from across the Gulf..." "The course of events could put a strain on the US-Saudi strategic relationship, which involves US military bases and billions of dollars in US weapons sales, as well as close cooperation on regional diplomacy and counter-terrorism." Here in the United States the protests in Wisconsin have amplified the divisiveness of US politics. Wisconsin is really is a fight between the unions right to collective bargaining and the Koch brothers astro-turf campaign to turn the American public against unions...to ultimately crush the unions so that their brand of corporate fascism supported by a compliant right wing media and an ignorant populace can take over the land...unchallenged. This is indeed the "Gonzo craziness" that you have addressed many times in this website. We should fear it...and keep the discussion going. Thanks for speaking out again. We need more critical thinking like yours and less hyperbole. I truly believe that if Americans knew all the facts we would be in a far better position to make rational decisions. But the Glenn Becks and Rush Limbaughs of this world have captivated a large part of the populace with their "fear and loathing." They rely on ignorance to sell their brand of fear mongering...a "selling of lies and hate" that has been very profitable to both of them and to Rupert Murdoch's media empire.