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2011-01-18 06:57 PM

LLBarry
Beverly, MA
Posts: 299

Or climate change, or the term du jour. If human activity is really causing significant climate change, how do we know we're not putting out 10,000 times more carbon than would be acceptable? Or 1/10,000 times as much as would be required to cause significant change? How do we know we're anywhere close to the dividing line between too much carbon emissions and an acceptable amount of carbon emissions? We've been sold this idea that if we drive cars that get 30 mpg, then we're all doomed, but if we drive cars that get 45 mpg, then we're golden. The chances of that seems to be one in a million. It seems like we'd have to have a much better scientific understanding of the situation before we can know what we need to do.

2011-01-19 01:59 PM

indianacarnie
Jeffersonville, IN
Posts: 77

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=more-proof-of-global-warm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article516033.ece

2011-01-19 02:19 PM

CARLITOS BAM-BAM
Dallas, TX
Posts: 897

Well....even if the science of Global Warming is false....we're still screwed. Air pollution and water pollution is very real....no debate, no doubt, it is absolutely positively real and threatening, and carbon emissions are a big frickin' part of the problem.
Secondly, our addiction to petro....is a national security liability, and ultimately, the effects of our addiction have geo-political consequences which run contrary to our stated moral interests in promoting human rights and democracy.....

Regulating carbon emissions is a way to kill 3 birds with 1 stone. Global Warming is only one part of the strategic threats to our way of life that we are faced with.....The choice is ours....reform or die.

2011-01-19 03:14 PM

indianacarnie
Jeffersonville, IN
Posts: 77

Personally I trust Scientific means much more than "hoping that the data is wrong". Theres just way too much evidence that the millions of tons of garbage we (humanity) are pouring into our air is having an effect to be ignored.

Otherwise I agree completely with you.

2011-08-12 08:41 AM

Hafar
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Posts: 30

The environment is 1000 times cleaner today then it was 30 years ago.

2011-08-13 06:56 AM

Schmidt
Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 1058

Yes the air and our overall environment is much cleaner today. I don't know if it's 1,000 times cleaner or how you would even measure that. But the reductions in particulates...the smoky stuff and smog is surely down. We can thank the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the many conservation initiatives of Richard Nixon. From Wikipedia: "In June 1970 he announced the formation of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Nixon broke new ground by discussing environment policy in his State of the Union speech; other initiatives supported by Nixon included the Clean Air Act of 1970 and Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA); the National Environmental Policy Act required environmental impact statements for many Federal projects."

Nixon's Clean Air Act of 1970 was, of course, just one of three major amendments of a law first passed in 1963.

Isn't it ironic that one of the Republican signature accomplishments, the EPA, is now being attacked by Tea Party Republicans who want to defund it entirely? Could it be that they are ignorant of its many accomplishments, or are they just acting at the behest of the Koch Brothers that largely funded their campaigns?

For those Republicans that want to defund the EPA and the Clean Air Act to make US companies more competitive in the global economy...you know all that red tape that adds to costs...well I'll close with some images of China. They don't have to worry about all those environmental regulations over there. Is this what Republicans envisage when they say they want to take our country back...back to this? Look at the pictures!!

Amazing Pictures, Pollution in Chinai

2011-09-19 07:23 PM

Veronica
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Posts: 205

I really wish I had time to study this more in depth. But many of us are beginning to believe that we are in the End Times. It is hard to imagine how many more disasters could possibly occur without destroying the Earth. Even if you forget about all the natural disasters, like tornadoes and earthquakes, we have a whole new form of chaos that seems to be done by we humans ourselves. If you study those "particle colliders" that are operated in several places (here in USA) & many other parts of the world. They seem hell bent on blowing up the earth. They accelerate atomic particles thru tunnels underground & collide them with each other, at enormous speed. Trying to split atoms apart? Isn't that a lot like an atomic explosion, as in Atom Bomb? Many scientists have even said they might accidentally produce "anti-matter" like a black hole in space. And if asked what objective they hope to produce, you get some kind of dumb answer, like they want to "re-create the Big Bang." HEY WHAT? If anyone on this Earth is wasting millions of our tax dollars in trying to re-create the "Big Bang" I think they need extensive psychological evaluation. And REALLY QUICK.

While those Bozo's are busy trying to blow up our whole Universe, we have a project which is REAL up in Alaska. It is called HAARP, and it is made up of 180 arrayed antennas that transmit up to the "ionosphere" -- & the idea is to "heat up" the ionosphere, which is part of a big experiment to see if they can intercept radar, interfere with satellites, & use ELF frequencies somehow for our military objectives. Don't ask ME all those details, But THIS IS KEY: This whole project is underwritten with Army, Air Force, & other military funds. It is probably supposed to be very beneficial to contacting our submarines, by bouncing radar signals off the moon, or some other intangible buffoonery.

But there is a BIG POINT that I am now trying to make. (1) Using ELF frequencies is extremely dangerous to wild life (especially whales & dolphin species), that have been known to be killed by this. They get brain damage & can't communicate or navigate, so they beach themselves and die. It is a huge tragedy, as hundreds of our intelligent species are being massacred by those NAVY experiments.

Next (2) -- The arrayed antennas of HAARP are used (as they admit) to HEAT UP the Ionosphere, and guess what? We are now trying with every possible resource, to "fight off" the effects of Global Warming -- and these Idiots are doing their best to INCREASE global warming.
So meanwhile, up in Alaska, 180 antennas are right now "heating up" the upper atmosphere, Which is "melting the icecaps" up there, which is changing the climate, leading to more storms & more disasters all over the globe.

WHO DO YOU FIGHT FIRST? The idiots trying to blow up the planet with their "particle colliders" / or the others working at HAARP?

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