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2011-01-18 06:55 PM

LLBarry
Beverly, MA
Posts: 299

Personally I think there's nothing wrong with Atheists. My only problem with any religous person that go around saying that they are absolutely right in their beliefs and you should share them as well. Not cool man, not cool. Religion, or lack thereof, is a personal thing, so can we keep it that way please?

2011-01-19 10:09 AM

ChristyR
Denton, TX
Posts: 311

Leaving religion alone is dangerous, for many reasons. On the other hand, there are no dangerous or violent doctrines of atheism. There is no atheist book that exists that says that you should hate someone for being of a different faith, or stone someone to death for not being a virgin.

No one wants to keep two people from getting married or adopting children just because they are an atheist.

Sam Harris has a short video on it:

2011-01-23 04:21 PM

Grovetta
Greenville, SC
Posts: 4

I believe atheists exist.
Is this one of the sites in which the crazies who believe in magical thinking, call people who don't, "the crazies"?

It was my understanding that this site was for people of the liberal persuasion. The terms I agreed to, hinted quite strongly at something to that effect. I was feeling rather happy that postings and such to the contrary would be deleted. Some of the shite I've read on some of the profiles tell quite a different story. Here there be the ravings of monstrous humans. I can get that on what my eighty-five year old Mother calls "those hateful sinners", when she clicks on the Fox channel. I can't call it a news channel without lying.

I don't really like to lie....or steal.....or hurt anyone in any other way. I don't even eat animal flesh. I wouldn't have an abortion for any reason, but that's just me. I've read the Bible 5 times through, and studied most other religions. I was born into a family of Baptists. When they sell everything they have and give the proceeds to the poor to follow Jesus's teachings, I will believe they are Christians. If they really believed in Jesus, they would be liberal democrats.....That's what he would have been, had the term existed in his time. Jesus was a socialist. No getting around it.

2011-01-23 08:13 PM

Kym
Royal Oak, MI
Posts: 5

Atheists are the least tolerated minority group in the US. While we make up 16% of the US population, we have zero representation in Congress. As an atheist I consider myself a descendent of the Enlightenment, where reason and science are the preferred tools for explaining everything about nature and the human experience. Empathy is at the core of atheist morality; in other words, understanding and doing "what is right" comes from within and doesn't require authoritarian input. There is simply no need, in this philosophy, for the existence of anything supernatural. I wish more people would understand atheism, so I appreciate the original posters' query.

2011-01-23 08:35 PM

Grovetta
Greenville, SC
Posts: 4

I agree, whole-heartedly. I was born a doubter. Being an atheist in the Carolinas is not at all easy. My own cross to bear. My Mom told me that as a small child, I would look for god under the pews when we went to church. My brothers and sisters have been praying for my soul as long as I can remember.

2011-01-23 08:57 PM

Kym
Royal Oak, MI
Posts: 5

An atheist and liberal in Greenville? Oh, my! Nice to meet you ;)

2011-01-23 09:49 PM

indianacarnie
Jeffersonville, IN
Posts: 77

I'm an atheist and proud of it. I make no bones about it either, not anymore. We make up what, 16% of Americans now? Something like that. Dont want to get up on my soapbox right now (not feeling real well) but just search out a few of my posts here and you will see where I stand on religion.

I used to just try and change the subject whenever the talk turned to superstition, but got tired of being made self defensive about my belief. People seem to assume that because of my age (54) and veteran status that I automatically am a christian. NOTHING could be further from the truth haha. I am the great-grandson of a minister, the grandson of a minister,and the nephew of a minister. I have heard every argument the religious have to offer. And every threat too haha. I read the bible once a year,front to back. The old testament especially is a horror show,imho. The new testament, while having some nice sentiments seems to be as some american muslims say, a slave religion.

All the major judaeo/christian/islamic ,(abrahamic?), religions seem to me to be nothing but death cults. Follow me on this,.... what is the ONE over-riding prerequisite to in all these religions? Death, you MUST die before you can "see god" and live in "paradise". Sick.

2011-01-24 10:08 AM

Schmidt
Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 1058

Everyone's postings here have once again brought me back to reflect upon my childhood days of dutifully attending church, Sunday School and ultimately finishing "my confirmation" as a Lutheran. My mother was a devout Evangelical Lutheran, and if it wasn't the church teaching me, she was always there to "correct" my thinking when it strayed. For example, when I once made some comment about the age of dinosauers, she firmly lectured me..."All the dinosauers died in the Great Flood."

Still I will not criticize or mock her beliefs because she was a kind, wonderful person, and her convictions in her faith gave her strength to face life's problems and hardships...and yes we had many. But my other role model in life is my father...also a kind, wonderful intelliegent person...but a life long athiest. The lesson I learned from both of them is tolerance and respect for each other's beliefs. Both held steadfast in their own beliefs, but I never once herd either of them criticize, mock or demean each other for their beliefs.

For a while I struggled with my "Christian learnings" and despite all the indoctrination, I just never could "feel" anything spiritual by attending church or going through the motions of praying. That cognitive dissonance was finally overcome in part as I called myself an agnostic for a while. But even then I had to ask myself: "In calling myself an agnostic am I really nothing more than a closet athiest?"

So now I freely call myself an athiest amongst friends that know me, but I am still guarded in sharing those beliefs amongst neighbors. You see I live in Colorado Springs...sometimes called the Christian Mecca for all the churches and missionaries that call this place home. I prefer to call it a tax haven for the churches. Throughout this recession, most of them have thrived...and probably what bothers me most is that for some of the bigger churches, very little of their donations seem to go to a category of "benevolence." I know because I have checked their tax statements. They spend a alot of their money indoctrinating others to their beliefs, but also buying property...land especially. And everytime they buy more land in and around Colorado Springs that's one more property removed from the tax paying roll...and more of the tax burden shifted to me...a non-believer.

In my retirement I have spent lots of time trying to understand why people can have so much certitude in the religious beliefs and dismiss the science of evolution...or just science in general. The Republican Party is heavy into "Christian identity" but I'm not entirely clear whether for some it is a political necessity or a conviction. I think the party has both. But likewise for Democrats. It is true that you cannot be elected to Congress as an open athiest, and for that reason I wonder if there are closet athiests amongst both parties. I even wonder if Obama is one.

Whatever...we athiests have an uphill battle if we don't want our government to become a Christian fascist state as defined by Christopher Hedges in his book, American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.

2011-01-24 10:11 AM

ChristyR
Denton, TX
Posts: 311

indianacarnie Wrote:
All the major judaeo/christian/islamic ,(abrahamic?), religions seem to me to be nothing but death cults. Follow me on this,.... what is the ONE over-riding prerequisite to in all these religions? Death, you MUST die before you can "see god" and live in "paradise". Sick.

That's a good way to state it...

2011-01-24 12:10 PM

sbfriedman
Denton, TX
Posts: 931

It would be nice if faith was treated like a hobby, like people playing World of Warcraft or something. To be done in your off time, understanding that it's make believe but enjoying it anyways. Spending money and countless hours in pretend time. But, like WOW it should not influence the real world; it should not dictate what we teach in our schools, what we print on our money or how we vote for public officials.

2011-01-30 05:09 PM

Grovetta
Greenville, SC
Posts: 4

Kym Wrote: An atheist and liberal in Greenville? Oh, my! Nice to meet you ;)

IE won't let me post what I wanted to post. Nice to meet you too! I feel as if I was born in the wrong place at the wrong time. Let's do lunch, if ever you are in Greenville.

2011-01-30 05:20 PM

Grovetta
Greenville, SC
Posts: 4

Ethics and Religion are NOT the same thing. We are born knowing right from wrong. At least I was, and I have always been an Atheist.

2011-04-04 11:39 PM

Burnface
Parker, AZ
Posts: 51

Religion is something that I've had to deal with being raised in the Apostolic denomination of the Christ cult. The Apostolic denomination of the Christian faith is inherently anti-individualist, women cannot wear makeup, secular music is denounced as evil, women cannot wear pants, ten percent of income goes to the church as tithes, and the cult in and of itself is anti science. To break with religion is human nature as man is largely a truth seeking animal, so I have no respect for the huddled herd clinging to the Bronze age death cult of Christianity. Nietzsche said it best when he called it the "immortal blemish upon the human race".

2011-04-13 11:50 AM

pootbutta
Saylorsburg, PA
Posts: 4

Studies have shown that atheists know more about religion than any other group!

2011-05-09 10:56 PM

Seppy
Stratosphere, SC
Posts: 5

Grovetta Wrote:
I believe atheists exist.
Is this one of the sites in which the crazies who believe in magical thinking, call people who don't, "the crazies"?

It was my understanding that this site was for people of the liberal persuasion. The terms I agreed to, hinted quite strongly at something to that effect. I was feeling rather happy that postings and such to the contrary would be deleted. Some of the shite I've read on some of the profiles tell quite a different story. Here there be the ravings of monstrous humans. I can get that on what my eighty-five year old Mother calls "those hateful sinners", when she clicks on the Fox channel. I can't call it a news channel without lying.

I don't really like to lie....or steal.....or hurt anyone in any other way. I don't even eat animal flesh. I wouldn't have an abortion for any reason, but that's just me. I've read the Bible 5 times through, and studied most other religions. I was born into a family of Baptists. When they sell everything they have and give the proceeds to the poor to follow Jesus's teachings, I will believe they are Christians. If they really believed in Jesus, they would be liberal democrats.....That's what he would have been, had the term existed in his time. Jesus was a socialist. No getting around it.

Let me try to help you a little. First, proximity to ideas does not lead to infection. You can't catch Conservative. Your blithe wish to have "postings and such to the contrary" deleted is a fantastic ode to Fascism. Your desire to be surrounded by people who nod 'yes' at everything you say whilst you reciprocate is exquisitely ignorant. Objections will either teach you something new or help you hone your position, that you'd prefer to preach to the choir than to be challenged shows your faith in your intellect. If you think that society would benefit in the long term by having everyone who isn't poor now, become voluntarily poor, you don't understand economics, poverty, work, or progress. Perhaps you'd like to reflect a bit on the relative value of things. Take a business owner who employs 10 people. Now, say he liquidates his business and gives money away. There's now 11 MORE people who need the next guy's charity. Whatever money he gives away is gone...but now what does everyone who relied on that guy do? Haven't you read the story about the golden goose? Jesus may have been a socialist but at least he put a little thought into his posts.

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