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2011-01-07 08:55 PM

LLBarry
Beverly, MA
Posts: 299

I recently listened to a discussion on whether males should not have an opinion on the issue of abortion.

It seemed to start a little something like this "The fetus is not growing in you. Your body is not being altered. You are not the one who gets sick in the morning. The fetus in the female body only pertains to the female. What is the big deal with all the anti abortion males?"

What do you think?

2011-01-18 05:24 PM

indianacarnie
Jeffersonville, IN
Posts: 77

Actually........... I guess that point COULD be made. As a male though (very pro-choice) I would hate to exclude any segment of the population, and we are 49% of the population, from ANY debate. This should not be a GENDER issue but a HUMAN issue. I myself have toyed with the idea that only women should have a say in this debate, and for the exact same reasons put forth in your post. But have come to my conclusions, after much thought, that I stated.
I think the reason it seems that so many men are anti-choice is because they are overwhelmingly the "leaders" in most churches. (Read the bible about what a womens place is ..... its insane!) When "our spiritual leaders" speak too many people listen. And , like it or not, men still hold the majority of our political leadership positions too. Corporate heads. When we as a nation elect/hire/promote women in the same ratio as men then the male/female antagonism about this issue will evaporate. As I said earlier, at heart this is not a man/woman debate but a human debate that needs to not be a debate at all.Imo.

2011-05-15 03:21 PM

ChrisB
Boise, ID
Posts: 1

The male legislators in quite a few states have voted for laws that make getting an abortion extremely difficult. My question is why are just the women penalized for seeking an abortion. Every woman seeking an abortion has been impregnated by a male. Should the male not have some responsibility and should he also be subjected to lectures about fetuses and abortions as required for women?

After all there are very few virgin births these days.

2011-05-15 06:06 PM

CARLITOS BAM-BAM
Dallas, TX
Posts: 897

Male rights end at insemination. Because a woman cannot legally obligate herself to the father of her child to die for her baby, and all pregnancies are potentially life-threatening....men have no legal recourse of action when it comes to a women's decision with their bodies. No contracts can be administered between "parents" with respect to defining outcomes that the woman is obligated to fulfill as a result of impregnation. Government cannot distinguish between "cosmetic" abortions and "medically worthy" abortions. No standard can be objectively ascertained or enforced....all pregnancies effectively threaten a woman's life and government cannot compel births without violating the 13th Amendment. Women are not child-bearing slaves for political governments to manage. All women should have a choice...and motherhood is better for it.

Men cannot order women to have abortions just as they cannot order women to give birth, as no contract law can legally be established with respect to such obligations, that is, without the addition of draconian constitutional amendments.

Furthermore, there is no equivalence with respect to a woman's relationship with her fetus and that of the man's connection to that same fetus. How many men have died from carrying a child ? Name one. The day men die, physically, as a direct result from impregnating women is the day that men and women stop having sex, the world turns gay, and we have no recourse but to reproduce our species in test-tubes.

Anti-abortion "small government" Republicans practice the strongest form of cognitive dissonance the world has ever known. They're like rightwing Maoists....with an "all" child policy, if you will.

Real "conservatives" support Women's Rights.

2011-05-16 08:22 AM

Schmidt
Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 1058

Although the topic is abortion rights...pro-choice or anti-choice, the topic actually goes much deeper. If you go to the roots of the "Republican War on Women" you will find it in the Biblical scriptures that depict women as inferior to men. And isn't that exacltly what is happening in our Congress as our elected men seek to control women's bodies. In their minds, it is justified by their Biblical beliefs.

Religious Tolerance lists several passages from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Dueteronomy and Judges in the Old Testament that treat women as inferior to men.

Read them for yourself. Most modern Christians would selectively dismiss all of these quotations (and there are lots of them), but remember that many in the Christian right embrace everything written in the Bible as "God's words." If you believe that the Bible trumps everything else in life, then how do you deal with the Biblical quotations in the above link?

On the other hand, the Bible does not address when life begins. It does not say that life begins at conception (I'm being very "constitutional" about this). It's only subtle mention of abortion is in an Exodus reference to an unintended miscarriage:

Exodus 21:22-25 describes a situation in which two men are fighting and one hits a pregnant woman. If the woman has a miscarriage because of the blow, the man is punished as the husband decides and must pay a fine for their act - not to the woman, but to her husband, presumably because he has been deprived of a child. The woman had no involvement. Exodus 21:22: "...he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine."

The Republican Party embraces the Christian right. Indeed perhaps half of their members now identify with the Christian right philosphy. The percentage is high because many former Republicans would rather call themselves Independents than identify with the radicalization of their former party.

2011-05-16 04:21 PM

Ashley
El Cajon, CA
Posts: 1

I believe that males should be involved only when there is a decision whether the woman they got pregnant should have an abortion, That's it.

2011-05-16 05:49 PM

CARLITOS BAM-BAM
Dallas, TX
Posts: 897

Men do have a say regarding abortion or birth.....before insemination occurs. After that it is a woman's choice with her body. We get to choose who we have sex with, and men can screen partners with respect to their views on abortion should pregnancy result from intercourse.
It remains a woman's choice, as women reserve the right to change their minds.....but men who oppose abortion do have a right to refrain from intercourse with women who do not. Still, there is no guarantee regarding what a woman's decision will be, other than it will be her decision; so men who are opposed to abortion should choose their partners wisely.

2011-05-23 01:08 PM

deist22
new port richey, FL
Posts: 25

I, personally, am pro-life. However, since I can not become pregnant, I believe that every woman has a right to have an abortion. Ronald Reagan was not one of my favorite presidents. He gave the richest Americans an income tax cut from 69% to 28%, a reduction of 4l%. Is it any wonder we have a l4.3 TRILLION DOLLAR NATIONAL DEBT? The only intelligent thing Reagan ever said in his life was, "I noticed that everyone who is pro-choice HAS ALREADY BEEN BORN!" God bless.

2011-05-23 01:40 PM

deist22
new port richey, FL
Posts: 25

Although about 80% of Americans claim they are Christian, less than 30% are regular church-goers, and most of them are elderly. I have 4 grandchildren who were brought up Catholic. Not one of them ever goes to mass now. They are all college grads. They have not opened a book or a newspaper since they graduated. Do they vote? My daughters are not sure. The world gets more and more secular every day. It is frightening to know that the young girls who openly engaged in sex at Woodstock are now grandmothers! I do not go to church either, but I am a deist. I do believe in God, in Heaven. Is there really such a thing as an atheist? I doubt it. We all believe there is a universe. I believe whoever or whatever built this universe is God. Atheists believe the universe built itself. NOTHING BUILDS ITSELF! My favorite poem is from Coleridge. "He prayeth best who loveth best All things both great and small; For the dear God who loveth us, He made and loveth all." Great poem! God bless.

2011-05-23 07:49 PM

CARLITOS BAM-BAM
Dallas, TX
Posts: 897

I used to have the same perspective on Atheism. I saw it is a rather pedantic and semantic argument.
I now see it as an argument worth having. Too often people associate human characteristics with the word "God."
It simply can no longer serve as a universal stand-in for the mysterious source of our creation.
This is why atheism is not pantheism, which teaches God is literally the universe, existing in all things.
Atheism simply does not factually accept any artistic or mythological representation of the mysterious source of our creation. It is an attack on theism and it often gets ugly.
I still go to mass, because I like the "social message" of the Gospel. But, I very much consider myself an atheist. I don't appreciate unprovoked viciousness towards believers on the part of atheists. And the lack of atheist charities depresses me.

2011-06-06 08:18 PM

brensgrrl
Harrisburg, PA
Posts: 4

CARLITOS BAM-BAM Wrote: Male rights end at insemination...all pregnancies effectively threaten a woman's life and government cannot compel births without violating the 13th Amendment. Women are not child-bearing slaves for political governments to manage. All women should have a choice...and motherhood is better for it...
Anti-abortion "small government" Republicans practice the strongest form of cognitive dissonance the world has ever known. They're like rightwing Maoists....with an "all" child policy, if you will.

Real "conservatives" support Women's Rights.

What a sound argument! I wanted my daughter, but I was very sick for most of my pregnancy. Then I contracted a Strep B infection that caused me to need a C-Section. I spent 4 days in a coma. What a risk I took with my life! Most mothers do risk their lives. And what a CHANGE in everything for me, from my figure to my lifestyle. Nothing was the same. Men suffer absolutely no ill effects from pregnancy at all. Many men actually abandon their pregnant partners. Men really don't have a right to dictate to a woman in this matter at all, even if the man is married to the woman. I don't like abortions at all--in fact I am pro life. However, I believe that the choice really rests with the woman. After all, it is the WOMAN who has the most to lose--or to gain.

In the old days, it was said that "the hand that rocks the cradle controls the world." Of course, having the woman behind that "hand" decide whether the cradle is full or empty is the issue with so many conservative men. To a conservative man, a woman should be uneducated and completely preoccupied with the diapers, the price of carrots and the waxy buildup on the floor--that will keep her from asking difficult questions like why there is so much injustice in the world. Conservative men want to control female reproduction in order to keep women "busy" and out of public life. That is why the whole abortion question has now morphed into an attempt to put an end to the availablilty of birth control. This is why nothing at all is ever said about the responsibility of the man in the matter. Have you ever heard any right wing pundit speak of efforts to increase the collection of child support? Nope. There is nothing but a resounding silence on that. Not only do right-wingers want to end birth control, but they are now attacking any program that benefits children after they are born. Head Start, WIC, public education, medicaid and higher education are all under attack. The right wing simply wants a world where women are "saddled" with so many children that they cannot breathe. It's all about CONTROL of women without a care about what happens to the children after they are born.

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