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01-07-2011, 01:23 PM

LLBarry
Beverly, MA
Posts: 299

As this topic is going to come back around in the 2012 elections...

Abortion is still a heated debate in this country after what happened with HC reform and to the doctor who was murdered because he performed abortions. There are pro-life democrats and or pro-choice who have different views. What are your views and why?

01-23-2011, 11:20 AM

LLBarry
Beverly, MA
Posts: 299

"Sources say Dr. Kermit Gosnell faces eight counts of murder in the death of a woman following a botched abortion at his office at 38th and Lancaster Avenues, along with the deaths of seven other babies who, prosecutors allege, were born alive following illegal late-term abortions. Four of the suspects, some improperly licensed, also face multiple counts of murder for allegedly killing the newborns." See article.

While I hate when people break the law...this situation does explain that if there was not such a stigma about getting abortions how it might save women's lives and define better when arbortions can be accomplished.

07-04-2011, 02:17 PM

joshdondich
Prior Lake, MN
Posts: 2

My offical view on Abortion is:
The decision to terminate a pregnancy should be between the women and her doctor, not the decision of elected officals or bearucrats. I am opposed to laws that restrict abortions, but I am also opposed to laws that forces abortions on women like one child policy. Abortion is a individual right of a women, not a tool to control women or society.

12-20-2011, 10:35 PM

BuyAmerican
Not Selected
Posts: 9

Not only should elected officials and bearucrats stay out of a womans decision about having a baby, but religous beliefs should not be made into law and forced on women neither.

Religous groups have gained influence by voting for only anti-abortion candidates, mostly Republicans, who want to remove a womans right to choose.

I'm not aware of the "seperation of church and state" argument being utilized in the abortion debate, but if it hasn't, it should be.

Abortion is an individual right of a woman and should stay that way !!!

12-21-2011, 10:47 AM

that guy in Arizona
Flagstaff, AZ
Posts: 158

Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times published an excellent article about this topic
(Tussling over Jesus) last January 26, which I incorporated into a broader discussion in a blog post:

tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2011/01/roe-vs-wade.html

I'm personally opposed to abortion, but the reality is that abortions will continue to be performed whether they are legal or not. Surprisingly, when abortions were illegal, 90% of the abortions in this country were performed by "reputable physicians in good standing in their local medical communties", and they were completed in the office of the physician.

Also surpisinging is that even though abortion is now legal, a small number of women die each year from the procedue.

I'll refrain from commenting on whether abortion should be legal or not, but I DO feel that the compassion shown last year by St. Joseph's Hosptial in Phoenix (which effectively caused the entire hospital to be excommunicated by the local Bishop) is utterly lacking in the Republican Party of today.

12-22-2011, 02:31 AM

CARLITOS BAM-BAM
Dallas, TX
Posts: 897

Whatever one's moral position, regulating abortion is entirely problematic.

Only square equitable solution is to allow the decision to rest with the free individual.

That's a small government, pro-liberty position. Government cannot decide who deserves abortions and who does not. I don't care if it is the state or the federal government. There's no way to systematically safeguard protections for the life of the mother when regulating legal access to abortion. All pregnancies are potentially life threatening. They all involve tremendous risk.

I think government has role to regulate the safety of procedures and regulate access with respect to minors; but it simply cannot restrict access to only those it deems "medically worthy." What are we going to do, set up Abortion Panels?

There's no use trying to make sense of Republican or Conservative positions on abortion and their so-called other small government. views. We're dealing with insane people.

Batshit Nation. Big Darkness Forever.

12-22-2011, 04:58 AM

unitedmajority
Plymouth, WI
Posts: 69

Instead of teaching our children weather or not abortion should be legal, why not teach them what it really means to have an abortion, long before any child ever decides to use abortion for birth control. The very meaning of freedom is the freedom to choose. No we can not make abortions illegal, but we can teach our children what an aborted baby sounds like, long before it is their baby screaming as it is being aborted. Teach our children what women who had abortions think, like the birth date they still remember of the child they never had. Yes abortion is evil, but even evil is a choice we are intitled to, at least according to the bible, man will have the right to choose and only God is authorized to judge us for our choices.

12-22-2011, 03:07 PM

ssport1
East Hampton, CT
Posts: 2

Why is abortion legal? It is murder, pure and simple. If you do not want a pregnancy, then do not participate in intercourse! For those cases of rape or incest, there are adoption alternatives. But the bottom line is abortion = murder!

12-23-2011, 12:18 PM

Veronica
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Posts: 205

First of all, nobody is using abortion as birth control. It is very expensive in contrast to condoms or the pill. It is far too scarey to be entered into lightly. That would be like pulling out your teeth instead of brushing them. Research over the last 38 yrs (since Roe vs Wade legalized abortion by THE SUPREME COURT) indicates that few women experience much remorse or regret about their abortion. Because they made that decision carefully, not impetuously. They had a good REASON for that decision, which could include they were a teenager, or an unmarried woman with no job, or they were a married woman with 5 children already & could not afford another baby, or they had cancer or serious illness, or they were facing a divorce, or they had a genetic defect that they did not want to pass forward into an innocent baby. Whatever the reason may be, it is a private and personal decision, not something to be argued over by every passing stranger in the street. If God has an opinion, he will make it on a one-by-one basis, based on its unique circumstances, & HE alone will judge. Meanwhile the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a murder, or it would not be officially LEGAL. // For the person who said they must teach their children about what an abortion is, HERE are a few Facts: 99% of abortions take place before the end of the 3rd month of pregnancy and the fetus is only 2 INCHES long, less developed than a goldfish, & only has primitive reflexes like an amoeba, so it has no feelings at all, it can't live outside the womb, does not breathe, or see, & definitely cannot scream. It is only some sick right winger who puts out that kind of garbage to whip up their picket sign crowd into a rage, & increase the number of donations to their right wing agenda. I dated 2 doctors & spent time studying lab specimens (like pickled fetuses in a glass jar) & I have seen the proof of what I say. No goldfish sized fetus can feel pain or scream during the procedure.

12-24-2011, 05:21 AM

unitedmajority
Plymouth, WI
Posts: 69

Veronica,

The fact is, not all abortions are done in three months, even though the majority are. YES for a fact, these later done abortions are done as the baby is screaming. Sure it would be nice to pretend all abortions are done for a good reason, but the fact is, many have abortions for the simple fact they did not use birth control. Yes I believe in today’s meme society, that most having abortions have no remorse. Still, there are many would be mothers that still remember the birth date of the child they never had. No one is God nor do we have the right to judge what others do. Still we can teach our children abortion is more than just right or wrong, teach them what it really means for some mothers who have abortions, even if the majority that have abortions have no feeling towards an un born child.

12-24-2011, 07:12 AM

Zach F
Denton, TX
Posts: 938

unitedmajority Wrote: Instead of teaching our children weather or not abortion should be legal, why not teach them what it really means to have an abortion, long before any child ever decides to use abortion for birth control. The very meaning of freedom is the freedom to choose. No we can not make abortions illegal, but we can teach our children what an aborted baby sounds like, long before it is their baby screaming as it is being aborted. Teach our children what women who had abortions think, like the birth date they still remember of the child they never had. Yes abortion is evil, but even evil is a choice we are intitled to, at least according to the bible, man will have the right to choose and only God is authorized to judge us for our choices.

Abortion is probably the only big issue that I have never taken a definite side on because I can convincingly argue both sides. But a couple things I do know is that abortion is not used as a form of birth control and I'm pretty sure babies aren't screaming during the abortion. In order to scream, or make any sound, you need to have air flowing through your vocal chords. fetuses are suspended in fluid, no air, no screaming.

As for the Bible, it places no value on fetuses. It actually places no value on babies that less than on month old either (Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers). And God even approves of killing fetuses in Numbers, if you count his command to kill all young boys and women who were not virgins (some of them had to be pregnant). In Hosea, God gives women 'miscarrying wombs,' which sounds a lot like abortions. So, if the God of the Bible does exist, I don't think he is going to be too judgmental on the abortion issue.

12-24-2011, 02:39 PM

WrestlingCoach1
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Posts: 2

When I was young, abortions were illegal and considered immoral. But, a lot of girls went for illegal abortions and ended up ill, barrem, or worst of all, dead. Those who were forced to have the babies were considered less than moral and therefore not worthy of polite society's notice. Or, even worse, sent to places that took the babies and gave them to parents who had to adopt. These forced or false adoptions were later regretted by the mothers, who had no say in the matter. The only voice listened to was the parent's of the woman. There have been cases of women who looked for their stolen children for years. Other cases where the children looked for the mothers they never knew. In llthese cases there was the misery of not knowing. And, when and if there was a reunion, the two parties were mostly over joyed.
i can tell you my position on abortion. I think the only voice or opinion to be considered is the woman's who is making that decision. As a husband, is it none of my business. My business is supporting the decisions my spouse makes with in our own belief syster.
Those "Christians" who want to make laws of a religious nature are not following the Bible at all. They are taking away free will and limiting God's wishes. Remeber, the Bible admonishes us to 'Stand thou not in the way of a sinner." And, "Judge not that you be not judged."
A famous church leader once said, "Judgeg not that you be not judges." Or, 'let him with out sin cast the first stone.' Oh, wait! These judges are without sin? Never mind.

01-03-2012, 06:40 PM

Cracam
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Posts: 63

"It is very expensive in contrast to condoms or the pill." As a Canadian are abortions free in the U.S.? Knowing that the majority of unwanted pregnancy's are amoung younger ,poorer women do they pay for their own , or does the Gov't cover the tab. In Canada these abortions are covered by our healthcare, so if you are anti-abortion your tax dollars are being spent on something against your moral conscience.

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