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Justice Kennedy announces his retirement from SCOTUS

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  • Independent
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    FYI, Brett Kavanaugh was added to "The List" in recent months by, guess who? ...Donald Trump

    Speculation by media: Trump offered a deal to Kennedy, if Kennedy retired this year, trump would nominate whomever Kennedy wanted to replace him. Kennedy suggested that he thought Kavanaugh would make a good Supereme Court Justice. Trump closed the deal.

    Trump and Kennedy probably never directly ever spoke about it, but the message was conveyed indirectly through political back channels

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Thanks, Bernie or busters. I hope an extreme right wing Supreme Court and federal judiciary for decades to come was worth it for you to show Hillary who’s boss.

    Elections have consequences. Unfortunately young(ish) people like me will be living with the consequences of your selfish actions for the next 50 plus years.

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    Trumps appointment of Kavanaugh was done because this asshole judge has said: that an president should never be proscecuted for any crime. He was a also an "altar" boy; that says enough, let the "party" begin!

    Like I've said before on this site that was the objective of selecting this guy; Mueller may as well pack up and take a rest.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:

    Trumps appointment of Kavanaugh was done because this asshole judge has said: that an president should never be proscecuted for any crime. He was a also an "altar" boy; that says enough, let the "party" begin!

    Like I've said before on this site that was the objective of selecting this guy; Mueller may as well pack up and take a rest.

    The same guy that was on the Bill Clinton witch hunt team, that should send a message to our democrat representatives and congresspersons.
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    Dutch Wrote:

    Like I've said before on this site that was the objective of selecting this guy; Mueller may as well pack up and take a rest.

    Why should Mueller shut down the investigation simply because trump nominated Kavanaughk help me understand the logic in doing that?

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    wwjd Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:

    Like I've said before on this site that was the objective of selecting this guy; Mueller may as well pack up and take a rest.

    Why should Mueller shut down the investigation simply because trump nominated Kavanaughk help me understand the logic in doing that?

    Don't read this as "black" and "white"; it simply means that Trump covers his ass, if his case gets in front of the Supreme Court. Which could mean he gets of the "hook"; thus in such case Mueller has done a lot of work for nothing. Some of the work of Mueller is of course OK because he got some of his "cohorts" in jail etc.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Democrats are trying to dig up dirt on Kavanaugh. Good luck on that. It doesn't matter what they dig up; the evangelical Republicans, the tribal Republicans, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and three Democrats -- Joe Manchin, Heidi Heitkamp, and Joe Donnelly -- will all vote to confirm Brett Kavanaugh as a Supreme Court justice to administer and force his brand of ideology on the American public for perhaps the next 35-40 years. The only Republican that won't vote for him is John McCain. He will not be present.

    That's my honest prediction. Sorry I'm not getting with all the emotional hype. We've been here before.

    Now that's not saying Democrats should not be protesting in a big way. It can help stir up emotions and votes in the midterm elections for an electorate that is more inclined to "go fishing" on midterm election day. I met just so many of them face to face recently canvassing for the governor's race...they have not changed much from the midterms of 2010 and 2014. The word is APATHY.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt, I'm glad that you finally admit which I've said years ago; indeed "APATHY" and "STUPIDITY" because of sticking to antique documents without updating it. I guess this country and Britain are the only nutty countries who elect supreme court judges for life; may be they changed that in Britain; I don't know. However it is the "broken" antique laws, including the education on this "island" which makes it an self inflicted wound. Let alone the non-vetting of a President and more stupidity like an "electoral college" as well giving an President way too much power with hardly any oversight etc. etc...

    Like I predicted Trump follows in Hitler's/Stalin's footsteps if he gets the chance; he loves dictators and wants to be one. He's well underway to reach his goal, thanks to the stupidity in this country.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Democrats are trying to dig up dirt on Kavanaugh. Good luck on that. It doesn't matter what they dig up; the evangelical Republicans, the tribal Republicans, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and three Democrats -- Joe Manchin, Heidi Heitkamp, and Joe Donnelly -- will all vote to confirm Brett Kavanaugh as a Supreme Court justice to administer and force his brand of ideology on the American public for perhaps the next 35-40 years. The only Republican that won't vote for him is John McCain. He will not be present.

    That's my honest prediction. Sorry I'm not getting with all the emotional hype. We've been here before.

    Now that's not saying Democrats should not be protesting in a big way. It can help stir up emotions and votes in the midterm elections for an electorate that is more inclined to "go fishing" on midterm election day. I met just so many of them face to face recently canvassing for the governor's race...they have not changed much from the midterms of 2010 and 2014. The word is APATHY.

    Since SCOTUS IS a political appointee, anything democrats can fling his way (filth-dirt-improprieties) is fair game IMO. On confirmation day or election day does not matter, just show us something, anything to derail this appointee. Look for adultery, improper past court proceedings, anything will do.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I was thinking the other day about how different this country would be if we didn't have the Electoral College.

    Think about this stat for a second - four of the last six Supreme Court nominees were chosen by a President who wasn't duly elected by the people, but instead the Electoral College.

    We would have never heard the name "John Roberts" outside of the DC Court of Appeals had the people been allowed to decide the 2000 election. Nor would we have ever heard the name "Samuel Alito" outside of the the Court of Appeals for the Third District.

    Nor would we be talking about an opinion written by Neil Gorsuch or soon to be Justice Kavanaugh.

    No, we'd be talking about a Supreme Court that actually reflects the will of the people of this country.

    So next time you're thinking about voting Third Party or not voting at all, remember that elections have consequences. Unfortunately we'll be living with the consequences of the 2000 and 2016 elections for the next half century or longer.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    So next time you're thinking about voting Third Party or not voting at all, remember that elections have consequences.

    Imagine people voting 3rd. party.

    Now imagine a group of 5 young boys walking the electrified L train tracks in Chicago, each one daring the other to pull out their winkies and piss on that third rail, yes, it would have consequences, and none of the boys would dare do it because they know what would happen.

    Just as voting 3rd. party has it's consequences, I consider those to be votes lost and not counted. But then, we have the stupid electoral college to contend with.

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    Dockadams Wrote:

    So next time you're thinking about voting Third Party or not voting at all, remember that elections have consequences.

    Imagine people voting 3rd. party.

    Now imagine a group of 5 young boys walking the electrified L train tracks in Chicago, each one daring the other to pull out their winkies and piss on that third rail, yes, it would have consequences, and none of the boys would dare do it because they know what would happen.

    Just as voting 3rd. party has it's consequences, I consider those to be votes lost and not counted. But then, we have the stupid electoral college to contend with.

    This is the best analogy I've ever heard. You're right - voting 3rd Party is akin to pissing on an electrified train track.

    Unfortunately the people who chose not to piss on the L train tracks get to stack our Supreme Court with extreme far right wing jurists.

    Thanks, L train pissers. I hope it was worth it.

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    Dutch Wrote:

    Schmidt, I'm glad that you finally admit which I've said years ago; indeed "APATHY" and "STUPIDITY" because of sticking to antique documents without updating it. I guess this country and Britain are the only nutty countries who elect supreme court judges for life; may be they changed that in Britain; I don't know. However it is the "broken" antique laws, including the education on this "island" which makes it an self inflicted wound. Let alone the non-vetting of a President and more stupidity like an "electoral college" as well giving an President way too much power with hardly any oversight etc. etc...

    Like I predicted Trump follows in Hitler's/Stalin's footsteps if he gets the chance; he loves dictators and wants to be one. He's well underway to reach his goal, thanks to the stupidity in this country.

    Dutch -- Just to clarify, I have been citing apathy and ignorance of the non-voter and voter for a long time in this website. I am probably the only member here that has served as precinct chair (four years), run caucus meetings, served as delegate to the county and state assemblies and convention, served on various Democratic Party committees, knocked on some 2000 doors, stood on street corners holding a sign for a candidate, registered lots of voters, and otherwise has been a vocal and financial supporter of the Democratic Party, the DNC, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and state and local candidates.

    However, I fully admit that I have been ineffective in inspiring people to care about our democracy enough to vote in large numbers. The biggest reason is apathy...the chief reason for poor midterm voter turnouts. There I said it again.

    I don't "finally admit". This has been my biggest gripe for over a decade...or as long as this website has been up. Maybe 10 years.

  • Independent
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    Yes; however you forgot the "stupidity" part because of sticking like glue to outdated documents on which the parasite lawyers get rich and the uneducated masses keep the blinders on because they are indoctrinated on how fantastic the Constitution is. Churches are using the same tactics. No Schmidt it is downhill, because of this. Jared wakes up a tiny bit and says that the "electoral college" should be scrapped; however being a part of this great Constitution it won't be adapted to the times as well with the rest of this document. Apathy or not; you get the "mafia" in the W.H. if you don't change the "laws" as well the "limits" of power for a President, in which the Constitution failed terribly to address such; a President here has just about as much power as Napoleon or Hitler had. Proof is in the "pudding" So just stick to an old piece of parchment when times where totally different.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Yes; however you forgot the "stupidity" part because of sticking like glue to outdated documents on which the parasite lawyers get rich and the uneducated masses keep the blinders on because they are indoctrinated on how fantastic the Constitution is. Churches are using the same tactics. No Schmidt it is downhill, because of this. Jared wakes up a tiny bit and says that the "electoral college" should be scrapped; however being a part of this great Constitution it won't be adapted to the times as well with the rest of this document. Apathy or not; you get the "mafia" in the W.H. if you don't change the "laws" as well the "limits" of power for a President, in which the Constitution failed terribly to address such; a President here has just about as much power as Napoleon or Hitler had. Proof is in the "pudding" So just stick to an old piece of parchment when times where totally different.
    A piece of parchment that does not apply to today's living standards or rules, and the bible, which some people wave when all else fails.