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Kardashian pardon.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Kim Kardashian interceded on behalf of 63 year old grandmother convicted of a non violent crime for possession of 70 kilos of cocaine. Value $2.5 million. I am betting there was violence somewhere in the history of that 70 kilos.
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    You are probably right that amount of cocaine was a result of a lot of criminal activity and violence before the woman was arrested. The same logic can applied to many men who spent 20+ years in federal prison for having a weed joint on them when pulled over for minor traffic infraction.

    In this specific case, trump loves exercising his power to pardon on behalf of celebrities. Not going to be the last time either. If he is handing out pardons to anyone willing to grovel for it, all kinds celebrities will want to become his new best friend by selling their endorsement for trump for a pardon of someone they know, and in doing so they become part of the trump team, and forever indebted to him. Bernie Madoff is practically guaranteed a pardon after stealing billions and leaving honest people bankrupt... Perfect candidate for a trump pardon.

    On top of that, is the "fuck you" and "Pay back" pardons. Pardoning people who are clearly guilty of major federal crimes, but for trump the purpose of their pardon is strictly about sending a message that he's willing to reverse legitimate crimes as political pay back. I am sure there is long list of Wall street businessmen that are willing to become trump's new best friends.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    You serious about Bernie. To put Madoff in perspective he could have bought fifty thousand million dollar houses.
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    Michigan used to have zero tolerance life sentence for marijuana violations.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: You serious about Bernie. To put Madoff in perspective he could have bought fifty thousand million dollar houses.

    Yes, which makes Bernie Madoff the prefect candidate for a trump pardon; a rich man who ripped off billions from honest people. In Trump World, ponzi schemes are perfect legal. In Trump World, scams are legitimate businesses.

    Trump World = the reality that only exists in trump's mind. The rules of laws are what trump decides, nobody else.

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    Making drugs illegal is a way to build up yet another gang of managers employing people to waste time and fill the prisons. Tax the rich who peddle the drugs instead, heavily.
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    iolo Wrote: Making drugs illegal is a way to build up yet another gang of managers employing people to waste time and fill the prisons. Tax the rich who peddle the drugs instead, heavily.
    I went to Nassau 25 years ago and was amazed about the rundown state of the island. We hired a private auto tour of the island and I asked the driver about the rundown state. He said that the USA and England got together and stopped the drug business. Now nobody has any money to fix anything or buy anything. Crime and violence are up because nobody has jobs.
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    According to the Associated Press at the time, Johnson helped lead a multimillion-dollar cocaine ring from 1991 to 1994. At her sentencing, US District Judge Julia Gibbons said that Johnson was “the quintessential entrepreneur” in the operation, “and clearly the impact of 2,000 to 3,000 kilograms of cocaine in this community is very significant.” She was tried on cocaine conspiracy and money laundering charges. "

    This is clearly somebody that Trump would have had executed .

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    According to the Associated Press at the time, Johnson helped lead a multimillion-dollar cocaine ring from 1991 to 1994. At her sentencing, US District Judge Julia Gibbons said that Johnson was “the quintessential entrepreneur” in the operation, “and clearly the impact of 2,000 to 3,000 kilograms of cocaine in this community is very significant.” She was tried on cocaine conspiracy and money laundering charges. "

    This is clearly somebody that Trump would have had executed .

    I think all of that is irrelevant to trump. Johnson could have personally committed murder and it would have made no difference to trump. Its simple, trump was doing a favor for celebrity who now will be forever on trump's team, willing to stand next to trump at any photo op, and willing to defending trump on all issues, no matter who gets hurt or how offense.

    Trump World Pardon = Use the pardon as political tool. It is a GOD power that has no limitation. Can be use endlessly without justification. Use pardons in trade for whatever others have to offer in return, which at a minimum is unconditional loyalty.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    This is actually one time where I fully agree with Trump, although I don't think he pardoned this person because he felt she was wronged in some way. He pardoned her because a celebrity asked him to.

    I'm of the opinion that no one should be sentenced to life for a nonviolent drug offense no matter how much they're caught with.

    If Donald's priorities were in the right place then he should ask for a complete list of all nonviolent drug offenders serving sentences in Federal prisons and pardon them all.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    10000% True. Witch hunting in just a slightly different McCarthy form. Ultimate bullying.

    The difference between self medicated opioids and an opioid free population is the drug free population will probably have more crime and violence and the same or more deaths. Overdosing will be replaced by suicide and rage deaths . Just say NO is no answer . There are extenuating circumstances always.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    If Donald's priorities were in the right place then he should ask for a complete list of all nonviolent drug offenders serving sentences in Federal prisons and pardon them all.

    I imagine that he had no idea who Johnson was before the Kardashian meeting at the WH, nor did he care. Kim Kardashian asked for a favor, and trump likely got on the phone while she was still in the room an ordered that Johnson be pardoned ASAP.

    Kardashian got what she wanted, and trump got what he wanted, whatever that might have been, or will be in the future.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Kim Kardashian interceded on behalf of 63 year old grandmother convicted of a non violent crime for possession of 70 kilos of cocaine. Value $2.5 million. I am betting there was violence somewhere in the history of that 70 kilos.

    If homicides and violence were committed by anyone involved in this drug cartel, then the commutation has problems associated with it.

    Was it a commutation, or a pardon? In a commutation, the person whose sentence was commuted still cannot exercise certain rights as a citizen in good standing, e.g. ineligible to vote.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon#United_Sta...

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commutation_(law)

    washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-has-c...

    Does it matter to Trump if rapes, murders, homicides and other felonies were committed? Probably not.

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    Dockadams Wrote:

    Does it matter to Trump if rapes, murders, homicides and other felonies were committed? Probably not.

    The straight forward answer to this question is: Only if he benefits\profits from it.

    In Trump World (Trump's mind), its OK to profit from crimes. That is how he perceives reality.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:

    Does it matter to Trump if rapes, murders, homicides and other felonies were committed? Probably not.

    The straight forward answer to this question is: Only if he benefits\profits from it.

    In Trump World (Trump's mind), its OK to profit from crimes. That is how he perceives reality.

    Well, he has used to legal system to his advantage, bankruptcy numerous times, plus failing to pay people what he owes them for work they performed. In real life, people who don't pay for services rendered are called "deadbeats".