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    Rex Tillerson out! Pompeo in! The whole thing, as was said on TV is a pure "LOYALTY" question. Tillerson was against changing the Iran deal as well was against the N. Korea "bully" tactics of Trump. Pompeo will be 100% LOYAL. The woman who replaces Pompeo "loves" torture and loved "waterboarding"; thus that fits Trump as well. Slowly but surely it will become an total "dictatorship" run by "loyalists" who agree 100% with everything Trump wants. Also having two Generals in top positions will help "dictatorship" . I guarantee, that more wars will be forthcoming because of Trumps stupidity with Iran and likely N.Korea as well in the Middle east with Palestine and Syria. I only hope Europe and the rest of the world deal with the US with caution and don't get involved with all this stupidity.

    My predictions are getting more true per day.

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    Yes; "dictatorship" is coming; quite simple; if the President of any country only wants "loyalty" and only "yes" sayers as "advisers" who bow to everything he wants, then you get an "dictatorship". Yes the truth hurts. Hopefully the Dem's get more seats, but that does not help much, if you can't change the leadership. He also may install Kudlow, who is the biggest arrogant ass you can find.
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    I know this won't be an extremely popular position to have on a liberal website, but I'm of the belief that a President should be able to have the people he (and hopefully someday she) prefer in their cabinet. I certainly disagree with Donald's decision, but Presidents deserve to pick their team.

    I never in a million years thought that I'd find myself disappointed that a billionaire oil businessman lost his job as our nations chief diplomat, but for all of his faults he was at least one of the very few adults in the room who had the balls to tell Donald his opinions.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    I know this won't be an extremely popular position to have on a liberal website, but I'm of the belief that a President should be able to have the people he (and hopefully someday she) prefer in their cabinet. I certainly disagree with Donald's decision, but Presidents deserve to pick their team.

    I never in a million years thought that I'd find myself disappointed that a billionaire oil businessman lost his job as our nations chief diplomat, but for all of his faults he was at least one of the very few adults in the room who had the balls to tell Donald his opinions.

    " but Presidents deserve to pick their team."

    You are giving him the acknowledgment of being a competent President.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    I know this won't be an extremely popular position to have on a liberal website, but I'm of the belief that a President should be able to have the people he (and hopefully someday she) prefer in their cabinet. I certainly disagree with Donald's decision, but Presidents deserve to pick their team.

    I never in a million years thought that I'd find myself disappointed that a billionaire oil businessman lost his job as our nations chief diplomat, but for all of his faults he was at least one of the very few adults in the room who had the balls to tell Donald his opinions.

    Jared, sorry I guess you don't get it. He does not pick people because of their capabilities or knowledge; he wants only people even dumber than shit, as long as they are 100% loyal and kiss his ass. You should know better.

    Tillerson absolutely was unfit for the job; he never served in any government function and had no idea what the job was all about. Trump only selected him because he had ties to Russia and received a medal from Putin. Wake up Jared.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    " but Presidents deserve to pick their team."

    You are giving him the acknowledgment of being a competent President.

    No, I'm not. I'm saying that a President deserves to pick his or her team with the advice and consent of the Senate.

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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, sorry I guess you don't get it. He does not pick people because of their capabilities or knowledge; he wants only people even dumber than shit, as long as they are 100% loyal and kiss his ass. You should know better.

    Tillerson absolutely was unfit for the job; he never served in any government function and had no idea what the job was all about. Trump only selected him because he had ties to Russia and received a medal from Putin. Wake up Jared.

    You may never admit it, but I absolutely do get it Dutch.

    Yes, Tillerson was unfit for the job. So why are you so upset that he's out? You started this thread by complaining that he was fired, but now you're saying he was absolutely unfit for the job? Which one is it?

    I agree Tillerson was unfit. I also believe that Donald is unfit. Unfortunately, a minority of the population overruled the will of the American people and chose a narcissistic sociopath to become our President and they also chose enough Republicans in the Senate to rubber stamp all of his nominees.

    Maybe Bernie or busters and Jill Stein voters should have thought about that before they decided to thwart the will of the American people.

    A President being able to choose his team does not make us a dictatorship no matter how much you scream it. Elections have consequences and one of those consequences is the President gets to nominate the people he wants to be on his team. If the Senate goes along with it then that's that. That doesn't make Donald a dictator or America a banana republic.


    One silver lining is that Sen. Paul has already come out and said he's vehemently opposed to both Pompeo for State and Haspel for CIA. If Democrats stand united and McCain continues his leave of absence or opposes one or both of them then their nominations could be toast if there is unified Democratic opposition.

    I can actually see McCain voting against Haspel considering she was the person in charge of torturing people during the W Administration and McCain isn't someone who likes voting for people who approve of torture. I'm not so confident when it comes to Pompeo.

    In the same breath, I won't be surprised if more moderate red state Democratic Senators up for election in 2018 like Manchin, McCaskill, and Heitkamp buck party leadership and vote for one or both of them to show their constituents that they are willing to go against party orthodoxy.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Jared, sorry I guess you don't get it. He does not pick people because of their capabilities or knowledge; he wants only people even dumber than shit, as long as they are 100% loyal and kiss his ass. You should know better.

    Tillerson absolutely was unfit for the job; he never served in any government function and had no idea what the job was all about. Trump only selected him because he had ties to Russia and received a medal from Putin. Wake up Jared.

    You may never admit it, but I absolutely do get it Dutch.

    Yes, Tillerson was unfit for the job. So why are you so upset that he's out? You started this thread by complaining that he was fired, but now you're saying he was absolutely unfit for the job? Which one is it?

    I agree Tillerson was unfit. I also believe that Donald is unfit. Unfortunately, a minority of the population overruled the will of the American people and chose a narcissistic sociopath to become our President and they also chose enough Republicans in the Senate to rubber stamp all of his nominees.

    Maybe Bernie or busters and Jill Stein voters should have thought about that before they decided to thwart the will of the American people.

    A President being able to choose his team does not make us a dictatorship no matter how much you scream it. Elections have consequences and one of those consequences is the President gets to nominate the people he wants to be on his team. If the Senate goes along with it then that's that. That doesn't make Donald a dictator or America a banana republic.


    One silver lining is that Sen. Paul has already come out and said he's vehemently opposed to both Pompeo for State and Haspel for CIA. If Democrats stand united and McCain continues his leave of absence or opposes one or both of them then their nominations could be toast if there is unified Democratic opposition.

    I can actually see McCain voting against Haspel considering she was the person in charge of torturing people during the W Administration and McCain isn't someone who likes voting for people who approve of torture. I'm not so confident when it comes to Pompeo.

    In the same breath, I won't be surprised if more moderate red state Democratic Senators up for election in 2018 like Manchin, McCaskill, and Heitkamp buck party leadership and vote for one or both of them to show their constituents that they are willing to go against party orthodoxy.

    Jared; looking at the "picture" you wrote; then it should be clear that this country's government is a total mess, as I've said so many times; however you keep defending our election process as well the Constitution. I don't understand that. It shows that you never lived in a country where the laws fit the times; like a "living" document. In those countries you don't need a zillion lawyers like here; they are there hard to find and don't advertise either. I worked with contracts all over the world so I did see and learned the differences in "legal" approach.
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    Dutch said:

    "they are there hard to find and don't advertise either. "

    There was a time here when lawyers and banks didn't advertise.

    More than 30 years ago, two Arizona lawyers decided to set up a legal clinic that would serve lower and middle class consumers. To attract business, the two placed a newspaper ad that offered "legal services at very reasonable fees" and listed the fees for each of the services such as uncontested divorces, adoptions and simple bankruptcies.

    At the time, lawyer advertising was banned in all 50 states. The State Bar of Arizona censured the two for violating ethics rules against lawyer advertising. The two appealed and the U.S. Supreme Court, led by St. Paul native Chief Justice Warren Burger, heard the case.

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    Dutch Wrote: Jared; looking at the "picture" you wrote; then it should be clear that this country's government is a total mess, as I've said so many times;

    I don't disagree. My issue is how your answer to fixing the mess is wholly unrealistic and will never, ever, ever become a reality.

    Dutch Wrote: however you keep defending our election process as well the Constitution. I don't understand that.

    There's a big difference between defending our election process and understanding how it functions because I'm all for getting rid of the electoral college.

    You know the one and only way we can do that? Getting off our asses and voting to get rid of it.

    That's it, Dutch. You can keep complaining about it all you want, but your complaints are going to go absolutely nowhere.

    Dutch Wrote: It shows that you never lived in a country where the laws fit the times; like a "living" document. In those countries you don't need a zillion lawyers like here; they are there hard to find and don't advertise either. I worked with contracts all over the world so I did see and learned the differences in "legal" approach.

    As I have said many, MANY times Dutch - this is a country of 330 million people who have come from every point of the globe.

    And I know it's impossible for you to accept, but I have lived abroad in both South America and Europe. You've always written that off because it doesn't fit your preconceived beliefs about who I am. It apparently doesn't count in your eyes because I never lived in Niger or Tanzania.

    Here's the thing, Dutch. It doesn't matter where I have or haven't lived. I understand our Constitution and how our government functions. I understand that the vast majority of legislation is done at the local and state levels. Another thing I understand is that we will never get the change we need if people are too damn lazy to vote.

    Millions of Americans have decided that bitching and moaning about how shitty everything is is simply easier than actually doing something about it. And when I call people out for finding "Dancing With the Stars" more important than participating in our Democracy I'm called insensitive, out of touch, or worse.

    Well at least I understand civics, government, and participate in all local, state, and federal elections. What has that gotten me? A reliably liberal local congressperson, state senator, governor, one of the most liberal US House Members, and two liberal US Senators. Voting actually matters, Dutch.

    I also understand that just because we don't like who the President is doesn't mean we are turning into a fascist dictatorship.