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what does it mean to be "pro-life"?

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Tucson, AZ
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    Since the first of the year, there have been three separate threads posted about abortion, and Schmidt posted the first thread about the topic in June of 2016. Although I have already added a few comments to some of those threads, it occurred to me that a broader discussion would be appropriate, so I decided to add "a few words" again today.

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    When Roe v. Wade was decided by the Supreme Court in January of 1973, I was a newly married Catholic. As a result, my views on abortion were very conservative for a number of years.

    About the time that Newt Gingrich became Speaker of the House, the Republican Party started to take a turn further to the right, and anti-abortion protests became more violent.

    On March 10, 1993, Dr. David Gunn, who performed abortions at several clinics in Florida and Alabama, was murdered in Pensacola by Michael Griffin.

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/dr-david-gunn-is-murdered-by-anti-abortion-activist

    After Gunn’s murder, death threats, vandalism, and arson increased dramatically. Eventually, the federal government, and a number of states, passed laws to protect abortion clinics.

    Less than a month after Barack Obama’s first inauguration, the Tea Party movement started on February 19, 2009, and things got even crazier. After a few years, the Tea Party Congress changed its name to the Freedom Caucus, but its members are just as extreme as the Tea Party was.

    After Obama was elected, Mitch McConnell became the chief obstructionist in the Senate, and he really went out of control when the Republicans gained control of the Senate in 2014.

    We all thought it couldn’t get worse, and then the least qualified president in our history was elected in November of 2016. The man he chose as his running mate is an EXTREME conservative, who passed numerous restrictive laws when he was governor of Indiana.

    Texas and numerous other states have passed more restrictive abortion laws in recent years. Although many have been struck down by higher courts, some of them have been upheld.

    Sister Joan Chittister defined that it REALLY means to be “pro-life” in 2004, and it’s clear that the Republican Party has exactly the WRONG idea, and she upgraded her comments in May of 2017. Ironically, the states that have made it more difficult to go to clinics like Planned Parenthood, have seen INCREASES in the number of abortions. One county in Texas saw an increase of 191% in a 2 year period.

    http://billmoyers.com/story/what-pro-life-means/

    An early “pro-choice” argument is that the government has no business being in people’s bedrooms. As a result, the last sodomy law in America was repealed in 2003.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States

    Massachusetts was the first state to approve same sex marriage in 2004, and a number of other states eventually followed suit. On June 26, 2015, the Supreme Court ruled that same sex marriage was low legal in all 50 states.

    The link below will allow to read a bit more about the history of abortion in the United Stats:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2011/01/roe-vs-wade.html

    I occasional read the Chicago Tribune online, and recently came across an article about a new book called “Scarlet A’, which was written by a Northwestern professor (and lawyer) named Katie Watson. I asked the local library to order it for me – and they did.

    I finished reading it about a week ago, and would definitely call it a THOROUGH book. After reading the book, I have concluded that I am definitely “pro-life”, but not in the way that term is used by the Republican Party.

    I believe it is wrong to oppose sensible gun laws – but that is what many Republicans do.

    I think it is wrong to support the death penalty, but 31 states do, and Texas has executed the most people, by far.

    I think it is wrong to cut support for food stamps (SNAP), but last month, the Trump administration proposed cutting SNAP by $17 billion in 2019, and $213 billion over the next decade. Although most people receiving food stamps are working, not all of them are able to, but some states are considering imposing work requirements for ALL food stamp recipients.

    25% of the homeless people in our country are veterans. In January, Ben Carson proposed cutting $2 billion from homeless programs, and the Trump budget would slash HUD funding by $8.8 billion.

    I believe that all us have the right to clean water and clean air, but Scott Pruitt is doing his best to undermine the work of the EPA, which was created by a Republican administration.

    I’m of the opinion that the “blue wave” in November of 2018 will return control of Congress to the adults again, and I’m reasonably certain that Robert Mueller’s investigation, and other scandals, will eventually result in Trump’s removal from office

    I’ll continue to be “pro-life” (my definition) and vote for as many Democrats as I can.

  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Republicans aren't pro life. They're pro birth.

    After you're born we don't care anymore. We won.

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    Thanks for recommending Scarlet A. Here's a link to the Tribune review:

    chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/sc-fam-ab...

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    The New York Times also has a review of Scarlet A:

    nytimes.com/2018/02/14/books/review-sca...

    I am very interested in this topic because it is part of the political litmus test in the State of Alabama.

  • Independent
    Washington
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    TJ Wrote:

    Republicans aren't pro life. They're pro birth.

    After you're born we don't care anymore. We won.

    Yes, this is how I also see it in general. It is my perception that those who support and work at women health clinics, are really about helping women make the best decision for their life, and are more Pro-life than anti-abortionist. These clinics are far more about helping\educating women not become pregnant so that they can avoid having an abortion. Abortion is the option of last resort, and most of their time\money is spent on prevention\education\health; they are not saying "Come see us when only after you get pregnant"

    I would love to see a Pro-life organation that provides contraception, education, and health treatment. Does such a thing exist? If not, why not?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Here's a different story about pro-life -- pregnant teenagers as young as age 15 running to Missouri to marry their "rapists" or otherwise they go to jail. From the Kansas City Star:

    Missouri is a destination wedding spot — for 15-year-old brides

    "Every other state requires some combination of a judge’s order, parents’ permission, premarital counseling or proof of pregnancy. Some flat-out prohibit marriages so young. But in Missouri, brides and grooms as young as 15 can marry with no more than the single approving swipe of their parent’s pen, even if the other parent objects.

    "Even children ages 14, 13, 12 or younger can marry in Missouri, as it remains one of 25 states with no minimum age requirement, although at 14 or younger, a judge must approve.

    "But 15? One signature."

    Read the story at the above link of how Missouri has become the destination for kids all over America to get married. For many it's not a choice that they really wanted.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    To republicans, it means thou shalt not kill, but once you're out of the womb, you're on your own pal. At one time I'd thought that republicans who took the position of pro life were willing to adopt those children who were not wanted. Silly me, for thinking such thoughts, I was wrong. If those children, the unwanted ones were kept alive and cared for, they'd be likely to end up going off to more senseless wars.
  • Independent
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    Dockadams Wrote: To republicans, it means thou shalt not kill, but once you're out of the womb, you're on your own pal. At one time I'd thought that republicans who took the position of pro life were willing to adopt those children who were not wanted. Silly me, for thinking such thoughts, I was wrong. If those children, the unwanted ones were kept alive and cared for, they'd be likely to end up going off to more senseless wars.
    That is what you get in an country of which most part still lives in the stone age and believes in "fantasy" preached here via the pulpit as well never went to a "real" school where they teach the "facts" of life.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote:

    Republicans aren't pro life. They're pro birth.

    After you're born we don't care anymore. We won.

    Force the people most likely to have problems into the group targeted to receive the least help.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: To republicans, it means thou shalt not kill, but once you're out of the womb, you're on your own pal. At one time I'd thought that republicans who took the position of pro life were willing to adopt those children who were not wanted. Silly me, for thinking such thoughts, I was wrong. If those children, the unwanted ones were kept alive and cared for, they'd be likely to end up going off to more senseless wars.
    That is what you get in an country of which most part still lives in the stone age and believes in "fantasy" preached here via the pulpit as well never went to a "real" school where they teach the "facts" of life.

    If republicans really and truly cared about human life, they could take their commandment of thou shalt not kill one step further and enact some tangible guns laws and restrictions, but as long as they believe in the 3G's, we're stuck in the stone age.