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Can the mess here get any bigger?

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  • Independent
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    1) Trump does not want to release the Dem's memo

    2) Pence refuses to "stand or applaude" during the Olympics in S. Korea for anything else but the US.

    3) US is sending troops to fight China; Wow

    4) The Dem's bow to the GOP about the budget and give up.

    5) The stock market reflects the Trump mess

    6) Syria shoots down an Israeli F16; Israel shoots down an Iranian drone

    7) The Prime minister of S. Korea is going to visit Kim Yung in N. Korea

    Furthermore it is clear that the Dem's are on the loosing end of the stick with no leadership in the party; this was clearly shown by an interview of Ari (MSNBC) and Perez. Sorry but this guy Perez is useless and makes the Dem's laughable. Trump walks all over them right now. Losers is the word. How get people here confidence that the Dems can do the job and vote for them in the mid -term elections? Only because they hate the GOP?

    The Olympics opening was a great show; except Pence was the asshole there to spoil the show; someone even came to him and told him that he had no manners or decency.

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  • Strongly Liberal
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    8. The fat idiot is about to try to fire the entire FBI and make them his personal protectors.

    When does the shooting start ?

  • Independent
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    Dutch, to answer your question: yes. Do not underestimate the stupidity, ignorance and arrogance of the American people.
  • Independent
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    The basic answer is it that it can get worse and will get worse for however long he remains president. There won't even a breif moment where the majority collective agree that trump has done something universally good for the country; it just won't happen. I don't say this to be mean or hateful, nor am I being pessimistic. The reality is that everything that trump touches, dies. That is who he is, and that is what he does.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I watched Kellyanne Conway on TV this morning and that is a woman without a heart or soul. It was incredible to see her spin every adversarial remark into a positive for Trump.
  • Independent
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I watched Kellyanne Conway on TV this morning and that is a woman without a heart or soul. It was incredible to see her spin every adversarial remark into a positive for Trump.

    [this quote below is fictional humor, but why not, what they actually say is fiction anyway]

    KC: "I believe the women are telling the truth, but I believe the men are telling the alternate truth, using alternate facts. Beside we all know women love 'abusive sex' where they beg their their husband beat the shit out of them before having intense; 'makeup sex'. It's normal, men love it"

  • Independent
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    Yes "dictatorship" has arrived; Trump "dictates" and there is no way back, because "democracy" is out of the door. I hope people realize that Congress sold their "soul" to the "devil" Congratulations America.
  • Center Left
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    When does the shooting start ? When there's police, judicial and economic unfairness..... wait.

    Horribly disappointed in our country. Never realized the hate and ignorance were so deeply in everyone.

  • Independent
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    Dutch Wrote: Yes "dictatorship" has arrived; Trump "dictates" and there is no way back, because "democracy" is out of the door. I hope people realize that Congress sold their "soul" to the "devil" Congratulations America.

    Dutch, I believe you really mean that and you foresee trump remaining in his role as President until he decides to step down (or his death), handing over the Presidency to a hand picked successor.

    How does that actually happen; how do you see the US transitioning from a democracy with a iron clad Constitution, to a dictatorship? People are not going to vote to disband the government and Constitution, handing total control over to trump.

  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote:

    Horribly disappointed in our country. Never realized the hate and ignorance were so deeply in everyone.

    Providing alternate perspective. The majority of the nation was unprepared, and didn't think it would happen, that a minority group would take over the WH.

    That minority group (trump's base) that has the WH is operating under a different set if ideas where they seek to keep political control my making the minority more powerful than the majority. It is flipping the democratic paradigm, rather than have a country that services the needs for as many as possible, their paradigm is focus on doing anything\everything to make their minority base (30%) more powerful, but not bigger. Not bigger is a key. They don't want include more people, they want to hover around 30% or maybe less if they can make that base even more powerful. Ideally, maybe even as low 20% with double the political power it has now.

  • Independent
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    wwjd Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Yes "dictatorship" has arrived; Trump "dictates" and there is no way back, because "democracy" is out of the door. I hope people realize that Congress sold their "soul" to the "devil" Congratulations America.

    Dutch, I believe you really mean that and you foresee trump remaining in his role as President until he decides to step down (or his death), handing over the Presidency to a hand picked successor.

    How does that actually happen; how do you see the US transitioning from a democracy with a iron clad Constitution, to a dictatorship? People are not going to vote to disband the government and Constitution, handing total control over to trump.

    The point I like to make (see all my "threads) is that no longer the outdated Constitution (not enough "amended" or "adapted" to the times or present society) works in today's world. It is clear that a "one" party ruling is happening right now; even Perez says "we can't do anything" In the meantime Trump and his cronies have no oversight at all by anyone, as stated by Malcomb Vance. Emolument clauses etc. nor the clause of "foreign" contributions or having "foreign" business dealings or still running his own business, are out of the window and no one cares. He walks over all the "rules" and regulations as well "laws". Every time something pops up, it is not covered by the "laws" or "Constitution" and "all "new" to us, as the lawyers and Congress says. The authority of the President is automatically raised by the apathy of the Congress and others who condone all his craziness. Also he's undoing all the checks and balances and places all the "loyal" candidates all over the place, in order to get control, like in the Justice/legal Dept, as well tries to control the FBI and CIA etc. The "parade" move is again a first step to get control over the military as well; they should salute "him"

    Even Mueller will have a very hard time to get him convicted, because he can "dance" the "dance" as learned from the "mob"; he's a champion in "manipulation" with "lies" and "cheats"

    He's dismantling this whole government and its democracy; kind of "un-noticed", step by step"- "stone by stone"; most people don't even care about this. I've not noticed that there is not any opposition against anything he wants, let alone that people here revolt. Fox News will help him all the way to become an "dictator" as well his cronies in Congress.

    Sorry, but I'm not the only one who has observed this.

  • Independent
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    Dutch, so how does trump stay president longer than currently legally allowed? From your perspective, you're suggesting trump remains president for 10-20 years, or and then hands over power to a hand picked successor (ie one of his sons).
  • Strongly Liberal
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    You are correct , it is a coup de etat . Vlad Putin , is personally directing the dissection of the American government . And it's happening right before your eyes.

    They are working now , in full sight. They no longer deny that they are working to destroy our republic.

    We know they hacked our election. They meet in our White house they are blatant criminals. They say to you ,America , fuck you , every day.

    Vlad Putin makes sure to say to you , fuck you , every day.

    Are we going to take it ? I don't think we are . What do you think of that ?

  • Independent
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    wwjd Wrote: Dutch, so how does trump stay president longer than currently legally allowed? From your perspective, you're suggesting trump remains president for 10-20 years, or and then hands over power to a hand picked successor (ie one of his sons).
    In my opinion; the "thinking" is not that far yet; it is now to get the "basics" of "democracy" undone. The "program" thus far is to create "chaos" (and "debt") then during the "chaos" you can make your "moves"; the same as was done in other countries like Turkey, Venezuela etc.
  • Independent
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    Maindawg Wrote:

    You are correct , it is a coup de etat . Vlad Putin , is personally directing the dissection of the American government . And it's happening right before your eyes.

    They are working now , in full sight. They no longer deny that they are working to destroy our republic.

    We know they hacked our election. They meet in our White house they are blatant criminals. They say to you ,America , fuck you , every day.

    Vlad Putin makes sure to say to you , fuck you , every day.

    Are we going to take it ? I don't think we are . What do you think of that ?

    Yes we are going to take it; there is no strong "wave" right now against it. As with anything you've got to take action right in the beginning of such, otherwise there is no turning back. Don't forget in these days that the "media" plays a huge role. Like Fox news, who is busy with "indoctrination" and "distorsion" of the truth day and night.