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Help me understand: Why does God abort all these babies?

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    If you are a person of "faith" and you believe in "God", I would assume that your god is all-powerful and responsible for all that transpires.

    Then, you could perhaps explain to me, particularly if you declare yourself to be "pro-life", how it is that God aborts so many fertilized eggs early in a sizable minority of pregnancies. It is a basic biological fact of life, many fertilized eggs are flushed out in the menstrual cycle because they failed at a certain stage of their existence. Why, if there is a God, does God permit this to happen since every fertilized human egg is the sacred, sanctified life of a human being in the womb? This is basic biology and science and the blind "faith" of some fails to assimilate these basic facts and truths.

    Of course, if you, as a person of faith, can shut out all the facts of biology and science and can believe in a lie, you can easily overlook basic biology and science and believe that your "god" holds human life, especially in the womb, to be sacred.

    Perhaps you could explain to me why a beloved aunt and uncle experienced so many "aborted" pregnancies (or miscarriages). Of course, you must factor in that my aunt had an rH blood factor and science and medicine had not yet progressed to the point where they could prevent her abortions by the hand of God, which is what a miscarriage is.

    Was science and medicine evil and wrong in thwarting the will of God in the cases of pregnancies involving the rH factor?

    Please, oh please, persons of faith, please enlighten me about why your God permitted, and still permits, abortions, miscarriages, etc.?

    And why some, mostly male and stupid and Republican, want to prosecute innocent women who have miscarriages (abortion by the hand of God)?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    You make some great points. I stopped trying to figure out religious peoples hypocrisy when it comes to women's rights because I came to realize there is no way I will ever be able to square that circle.

    Republicans rallying cry appears to be that it's OK for God to abort a fetus, but not OK for a rape victim to do the same.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    You make some great points. I stopped trying to figure out religious peoples hypocrisy when it comes to women's rights because I came to realize there is no way I will ever be able to square that circle.

    Republicans rallying cry appears to be that it's OK for God to abort a fetus, but not OK for a rape victim to do the same.

    Republican zeal to ensure every birth comes to term is matched only by their zeal to deny rights to the same.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    The answer to every problem is register absolutely every willing human being in hopes that they will vote in November and whenever possible afterwards.

    The non crazy people have to outnumber Republicans. Now we need to follow with a tablespoon of discipline.

    Some medical issues have no easily explained answers. Very frustrating indeed.

  • Independent
    Washington
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    Karen, with pro-life evangelicals there is no rational\logical argument that will ever get them to think rationally. Their rationalization for everything that is rational is some version of "It is God's will, and it is not for man to question the ways of God" or if it is a evangelical leader, he is likely to say "God came to me and told me...."

    If you want to debate them, says back to them "God came to me and told me that women have the right to chose". I am being slightly serious and absurd. They likely will call into question such a statement, and I've said "You may not like what God has told me, but I know what he said, and that is good enough for me"

    It is possible to have rational discussions with pro-life people who recognize there are problems with being 100% pro-life without exceptions.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Like many "red" states, Arizona has a few wacky people who keep trying to reduce access to abortion.

    In Arizona, one of those people is Cathi Herrod, who heads an organization called the Center for Arizona Policy. Since the organization was founded in 1998, she has introduced 156 bills in the legislature, and a number of them have passed.

    Just the other day, she introduced SB1394, a bill that is designed purely to make women more uncomfortable. E.J. Montini's column from this morning's Arizona Republic provides more detail:

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2018/02/08/lawmakers-two-faced-plan-harass-abortion-seekers/319036002/

    We all would agree with Ms. Herrod that it would nice to even even fewer abortions in America than we have now, which happens to be at a 40 year low. Where the Republicans are dead wrong is in how to achieve that . Incidentally, the last time that abortions went UP in America (2006)was when a Republican was president

    The ONLY way to reduced abortions even further is to mandate comprehensive sexual education in all schools starting in middle school, and to INCREASE funding for Planned Parenthood, since they provide both family planning and contraceptives. Praying the rosary outside of clinics won't accomplish anything - but I know people who have done that.

    It is no accident that 8 of the 10 states that have the highest teen pregnancy rates are all "red" states, and they have virtually no sexual education other than abstinence. Just saying "no" does not work especially well when you are dealing with a 17 year old with a hard on, and it does not take into account that 70% of today's teenagers have had sexual intercourse by the time that they are 19.

    The most zealous Republican voters fail to comprehend the fact that Republican lawmakers are NOT pro-life, and the best proof of that is a statement by a Catholic nun named Joan Chittister:

    Catholic Nun's Quote on Abortion | POPSUGAR News

    I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Like many "red" states, Arizona has a few wacky people who keep trying to reduce access to abortion.

    In Arizona, one of those people is Cathi Herrod, who heads an organization called the Center for Arizona Policy. Since the organization was founded in 1998, she has introduced 156 bills in the legislature, and a number of them have passed.

    Just the other day, she introduced SB1394, a bill that is designed purely to make women more uncomfortable. E.J. Montini's column from this morning's Arizona Republic provides more detail:

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2018/02/08/lawmakers-two-faced-plan-harass-abortion-seekers/319036002/

    We all would agree with Ms. Herrod that it would nice to even even fewer abortions in America than we have now, which happens to be at a 40 year low. Where the Republicans are dead wrong is in how to achieve that . Incidentally, the last time that abortions went UP in America (2006)was when a Republican was president

    The ONLY way to reduced abortions even further is to mandate comprehensive sexual education in all schools starting in middle school, and to INCREASE funding for Planned Parenthood, since they provide both family planning and contraceptives. Praying the rosary outside of clinics won't accomplish anything - but I know people who have done that.

    It is no accident that 8 of the 10 states that have the highest teen pregnancy rates are all "red" states, and they have virtually no sexual education other than abstinence. Just saying "no" does not work especially well when you are dealing with a 17 year old with a hard on, and it does not take into account that 70% of today's teenagers have had sexual intercourse by the time that they are 19.

    The most zealous Republican voters fail to comprehend the fact that Republican lawmakers are NOT pro-life, and the best proof of that is a statement by a Catholic nun named Joan Chittister:

    Catholic Nun's Quote on Abortion | POPSUGAR News

    I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."

    Excellent quote that exposes the right wing.

    "That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth."

  • Independent
    Washington
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    it is equally true that being Pro-life does not make a person opposed to women having the legal right to make the decision for themselves.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    It only affects the poor people and church indoctrinated red States. The "rich" will always find a way to get an abortion far from the church or public view. The only reason the church is against abortion or birth control is as follows; in order to get "power"over the people, the more followers the more their "coffers" get filled, because the "babies" will also be indoctrinated and join the church. The Catholics invented this in Europe way back when the child death rate was very high, so they lost lots of future "paying" members. It's as simple as that.
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    Dutch Wrote: It only affects the poor people and church indoctrinated red States. The "rich" will always find a way to get an abortion far from the church or public view.

    This will become more true if the Supreme Court were to reverse Roe V. Wade.

    If reversed, there will always be exceptions that allow abortions, such as health, rape, AND exceptions that wealthy people will be able to take advantage of.

    Also, note that rich people can afford to fly out of the country for doctor visit. Will abortion laws somehow prevent out of country options for those who can afford it? We know plan parenthood would be providing "out of country" information to women if it were to become illegal again.

    BTW, I doubt the Supreme Court will ever overturn Roe V Wade. Its has been the law of the land for to many decades for them to find a flaw in the ruling that has been upheld against many challenges. And the SC hates to reverse its own decisions; politics won't do it. If Right Wing wackos want to make it illegal, they will need to put it into the constitution, and that never will happen.

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    Karen,

    I will try to answer the question. There is no God, at least in the manner portrayed in so-called scripture. One group of Semites was not “chosen”. Rather they chose the concept of monotheism which they did not invent. Christians didn’t get it right. Neither did Islam. They claim they did but they are wrong. I am more along the lines of Jefferson.

    So as to your question nature is the cause. I remember reading somewhere that becoming pregnant is difficult. If nature allows conception and implanting then chances are obviously better. But that is no guarantee.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Indeed all of this "messing" is "human"' created. Also all "god's" are "human" created/invented. Only humans interfere in "humans"; it is part of the "power" play. Nature or "how the cookie crumbles" is determined solely about place and time and how things come together or not. Everything is "accidental" in life. No one controls it; neither does outer space or a fantasy long dead "Jesus" person cooked up by the first book writers. People always look for a "scape goat"; yes blame Trump!