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Sanders is ahead in everything.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Sanders is ahead in all polling, highest approval rating, fully vetted and proven. Why not get behind him now?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I'll pass. I prefer someone who doesn't promise me everything in the world...for free!!!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Jared, there’s no free lunch. When govt spends, somebody has to work to make the goods and services government consumes or diverts to the public sector. That’s the real payment to the government, not the tax revenue. The government doesn’t need dollars, it needs real stuff.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Carlitos Wrote: Jared, there’s no free lunch. When govt spends, somebody has to work to make the goods and services government consumes or diverts to the public sector. That’s the real payment to the government, not the tax revenue. The government doesn’t need dollars, it needs real stuff.

    My issue with Bernie is that he doesn’t explain that. He makes broad promises without explaining how monumentally difficult it would be to fulfill those promises.

    Look - I agree with many things that Bernie stands for, but he is a snake oil salesman who has convinced millions of gullible Democrats that he and he alone will magically fix all of their problems. He refuses to have a real conversation with his supporters about the complexities of leading a diverse country of over 300 million people. Could you imagine how disillusioned his supporters will become if he actually got elected and wasn’t able to follow throigh on a single thing he promised?

    That’s all I’m saying. Bernie would be a great governor of a liberal state, but it would be a disaster if he were ever elected President because his supporters would quickly learn that campaign promises are as worthless as a $3 bill.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: I'll pass. I prefer someone who doesn't promise me everything in the world...for free!!!

    I agree with your premise and disagree with Bernie's silence on the subject. The things Bernie talks about were at one time quite affordable. So what Bernie is promising for free are actually things that were close to being free until taken away by unleashing the private sector. A thriving growing economy could provide everything a society needs. Diverting growing money into stagnating money has deprived a country from the benefits of lost labor. Put money back to work and prosperity will prevail.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Carlitos you said "The government doesn’t need dollars, it needs real stuff." But you avoid the solution like touching the third rail. Left to its own devices the country will continue down a non productive path celebrating numbers instead of products. Money velocity is the answer. Products have to be sold to put money in the hands of people to spend.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Carlitos you said "The government doesn’t need dollars, it needs real stuff." But you avoid the solution like touching the third rail. Left to its own devices the country will continue down a non productive path celebrating numbers instead of products. Money velocity is the answer. Products have to be sold to put money in the hands of people to spend.
    Chet, my point is the government and our society can financially afford all the progressive things Bernie is talking about without raising taxes. That includes universal healthcare, education, homeownership, a job for everyone able and willing to work, and etc., etc. The problem with Bernie is he understands that stuff but doesn’t explain it and then he tries to build in “pay fors” that don’t cover the bill.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote: I'll pass. I prefer someone who doesn't promise me everything in the world...for free!!!

    I agree with your premise and disagree with Bernie's silence on the subject. The things Bernie talks about were at one time quite affordable. So what Bernie is promising for free are actually things that were close to being free until taken away by unleashing the private sector. A thriving growing economy could provide everything a society needs. Diverting growing money into stagnating money has deprived a country from the benefits of lost labor. Put money back to work and prosperity will prevail.

    The things Bernie talks about were quite affordable **for white males** at one time, but not for anyone else. Ask a 70 year old black man what life was like for him during the years you speak so glowingly of and I have a feeling you're going to get a completely different response.

    As I said - I like Bernie, but what he's promising his supporters is pure fantasy and his supporters will be more dejected than they've ever been if he were ever elected President. Our system of governance is not set up for people like him and all you have to do is look at Donald's Presidency to see what happens when demagogues are elected President. Sure - they can chip away at things here and there, but they quickly learn that managing a country of over 300 million people is a little more complicated than they convinced their supporters it would be.

  • Center Left
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    Not who I want as president. If he doesn't join the party is he worthy of many millions of Democratic votes ?

    He is a much lesser choice and 2020 can't be another failure. Explain how everything is funded then you have done something Mr. Sanders.

  • Independent
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    I guess that this country wants to stick to its stupid culture of "capitalism/corruption"; Sanders only promoted the European way of social security. Of course that means higher taxes; you don't get anything free there either. However an well planned and managed health care and education system is worth it. Yes this country likes to stay as an "banana republic"; yes all your wishes have come true; this country will sink straight into the swamp as Trump promised.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Of course that means higher taxes"

    That would be inconsequential in a thriving economy.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "He is a much lesser choice "

    Right now Bernie is ahead in every category including a 75% approval rating.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "He is a much lesser choice "

    Right now Bernie is ahead in every category including a 75% approval rating.

    I can't find a single poll that shows Bernie with a 75% approval rating. RealClearPolitics has an ongoing list of all of his polls and they range from the high 30's to the low 60's, but none of them come close to 75%.

    Regardless, Bernie has decent poll numbers because people know his name. It the same reason Oprah and Ellen DeGeneres make the top ten of the most admired women in the world. Just because someone has name recognition doesn't mean they would be a good President.

    We have a different system of governance than the vast majority of other Western democracies. A President isn't a Prime Minister who can build a coalition and rule with an iron fist. And America doesn't have a system of governance where a coalition can break apart and spark new elections that might bring in a new Prime Minister who can build a new coalition.

    We can bitch and moan and cry about how stupid/unfair/etc. that is, but the reality is that it's the type of Federal government we have and it's the type of Federal government we're going to continue to have for the foreseeable future.

    That's why I worry about the Bernie or busters out there because they have convinced themselves that one person will somehow magically fix all of their problems. They genuinely don't seem to understand the basic fundamentals of how our government functions under our Constitution and that is a dangerous thing.

    We're witnessing, in real time, what happens when people vote with their hearts and not with their brains.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "The things Bernie talks about were quite affordable **for white males** at one time, but not for anyone else. "

    That was then. The only thing preventing affordability now is "white males". So why aren't you supporting Bernie to right the wrong of those "white males". If the dilemma of the working class isn't recognized then there will not be a message for any other candidate to run on. Standing on status quo when the country is running amuck with status quo ideas about finance and Wall Street is supporting the very same people that have brought us to where college students now owe more money than the sixth largest economy in the world.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    What’s most important is that Democrats pick up seats and win the presidency in 2020.

    To that end, we need candidates that get the base excited and attract people to vote for Democrats. And ideally without the baggage of the neoliberals or a Clinton or a Sanders or a Biden.

    I have said before I think a Tammy Duckworth-Tulsi Gabbard ticket would provide that rockstar level excitement and capitalize on the prevailing atmospherics. And it would bring our factions together without the baggage.