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North and South Korean talks

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  • Independent
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    I hope these talks will be positive; my other hope is that the US and especially Trump does not meddle/tweet in it.

    Furthermore I hope that N.Korea does attend the Olympic Games; also I hope that S. Korea will distance itself more and more from US interference on this peninsula. Look at the present Vietnam as an example; it did work. Why is the US the only one against unification; it could have saved us trillions having military there at the N/S border since 1951?

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    This conflict is a hell of a lot more complicated than placing 100% of the blame on the shoulders of the United States. The stalemate in that region has been going on for nearly 65 years and has befuddled leaders of all major nations since the signing of the armistice in 1953.

    China is quite content with the current arrangement because they are terrified of a wealthy democratic state on its southern border and aren't terribly excited about millions of North Korean refugees flooding into their country. Russia is quite content with the current arrangement for many of the same reasons.

    I'm typically a dove when it comes to the military and think our military might should be used only when absolutely needed, but I'm still a realist. It's unrealistic to think we're going to pack up shop and send the roughly 30,000 military personnel in South Korea back to the states. It's also unrealistic to think that completely withdrawing from that part of the world will somehow bring about an era of peace, harmony, and goodwill towards man.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    This conflict is a hell of a lot more complicated than placing 100% of the blame on the shoulders of the United States. The stalemate in that region has been going on for nearly 65 years and has befuddled leaders of all major nations since the signing of the armistice in 1953.

    China is quite content with the current arrangement because they are terrified of a wealthy democratic state on its southern border and aren't terribly excited about millions of North Korean refugees flooding into their country. Russia is quite content with the current arrangement for many of the same reasons.

    I'm typically a dove when it comes to the military and think our military might should be used only when absolutely needed, but I'm still a realist. It's unrealistic to think we're going to pack up shop and send the roughly 30,000 military personnel in South Korea back to the states. It's also unrealistic to think that completely withdrawing from that part of the world will somehow bring about an era of peace, harmony, and goodwill towards man.

    Jared, thanks for yr reply. However you did not answer that trillions of money have been spent on our defense of this border. I'm of the opinion it is none of our business; neither north or south Korea ever attacked us, thus why meddle in it. If the Chinese or Japanese wants something different about those countries let them negotiate that together, not us. China has the leverage there, not us either, we are champions in bullying and demanding, let the people there determine their own future. Don't forget we started that war there, because we hated "communism" not because they attacked us!! Thus again 100% our own fault and our own inflicted wound as so many things.
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, thanks for yr reply. However you did not answer that trillions of money have been spent on our defense of this border.

    There's nothing to answer because it's not a question. We've spent a lot of money in South Korea. That's a fact. All I'm saying is that it's more complicated than how much money we've spent over there.

    Dutch Wrote: I'm of the opinion it is none of our business; neither north or south Korea ever attacked us, thus why meddle in it. If the Chinese or Japanese wants something different about those countries let them negotiate that together, not us. China has the leverage there, not us either, we are champions in bullying and demanding, let the people there determine their own future.

    This is where I think your position is naive at best. You may think it's none of our business, but we still have over 30,000 soldiers over there who are tasked with maintaining the peace whether you like it or not. Packing up and leaving tomorrow will undoubtedly lead to war because South Korea would be a sitting duck. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions would perish in a matter of days.

    The Korea debate is a terribly complex problem which is exasperated by the fact that both countries are led by man-babies with an inferiority complex.

    Dutch Wrote: Don't forget we started that war there, because we hated "communism" not because they attacked us!! Thus again 100% our own fault and our own inflicted wound as so many things.

    I'm well aware of that fact, but I can't go back in time and change history. All I can do is think about what can be done in the present to avoid a nuclear war between two sociopaths who compare the size of their buttons like they are school children on a playground.

    Unfortunately they aren't school children and the playground is the planet. And unlike preteens trying to show their classmates how big and bad they are, these two madmen have the potential to kill tens of millions of people.

  • Independent
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    Jared, instead of me, you are naive! Today it was stated by N.Korea that they will certainly not attack S.Korea and want to attend the Olympic games and have discussions about the "military" on both sides of the border. They also said that their missiles are only pointed at the US. Therefore what I said above is may be not to your liking as an "patriotic island inhabitant" . Thus I stick to what I said; i.e. The US should stay out of these talks or any agreements between those two countries. Let's hope that the 30,000 US military can go home eventually if these talks succeed without US bullying or interference.
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, instead of me, you are naive!

    Oh come on Dutch. "I know you are but what am I" is something Donald would say.

    Dutch Wrote: Today it was stated by N.Korea that they will certainly not attack S.Korea and want to attend the Olympic games and have discussions about the "military" on both sides of the border.

    I'd take what the North Korean government says with a giant grain of salt. The last time the South hosted the Olympics and blacklisted the North the North blew up a passenger airplane and killed all 115 people on board. The South wants to avoid a repeat of that at all costs, which would explain why they were more than happy to strike a deal that would allow the North to participate in the games.

    However, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a broader deal that begins to cool the rising tensions between the two governments.

    Dutch Wrote: They also said that their missiles are only pointed at the US.

    If you actually believe that there are no missiles pointed at South Korea then you have lost all touch with reality.

    There are over 15,000 short range, heavy artillery pieces aimed directly at Seoul along the DMZ, and those are the ones that the North hasn't even bothered to hide. There's likely tens of thousands of more in underground bunkers scattered throughout the DMZ that are just waiting for the Dear Leader's orders to be let loose.

    None of these thousands of short range missiles can come close to striking US territory (Guam is 2,131 miles from North Korea), let alone the US mainland.

    The number of weapons the North have that could directly threaten the US are dwarfed by those that can destroy Seoul and much of Japan.

    Dutch Wrote: Therefore what I said above is may be not to your liking as an "patriotic island inhabitant" . Thus I stick to what I said; i.e. The US should stay out of these talks or any agreements between those two countries. Let's hope that the 30,000 US military can go home eventually if these talks succeed without US bullying or interference.

    It has nothing to do whether I like it or not or because I'm an "island inhabitant." What you're claiming is simply not factual.

  • Independent
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    It seems that you prefer "war" above "peace". I just quoted what the news said about what N.Korea said; sure you can have your own opinion, but I have mine from an European view. Just read the history of Vietnam ; this is similar.
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    Dutch Wrote: It seems that you prefer "war" above "peace". I just quoted what the news said about what N.Korea said;

    I'm a dove, Dutch. I hate war. Accusing me of preferring war over peace is absurd.

    Reread what you just wrote. You're quoting what the North Korea government said, but didn't take a second to figure out if their statement was true or not. A simple fact check would show you that the North Korean government was blatantly lying. Do you honestly believe that they don't have any missiles aimed directly at Seoul?

    Dutch Wrote: sure you can have your own opinion, but I have mine from an European view. Just read the history of Vietnam ; this is similar.

    My opinion is immaterial. As is yours. It's a fact that thousands of North Korean missiles are aimed directly at Seoul. It's a fact that hundreds of thousands of innocent people on both sides of the Korean Peninsula will die in a matter of hours if war broke out.

    I'm also well aware of the history of the Vietnam conflict. That's not germane to this discussion though.

  • Independent
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    Jared if you read my initial mail correctly, it said the N. Korea and S.Korea want to discuss the exact thing you are focused on. Thus not having these short range weapons pointed at each other. Yes, the long range weapons will stay pointed at us. Therefore my hope is that the tensions along the border will be reduced, so eventually we may not need 30,000 US soldiers there. If we meddle in it then of course we make things worse, we're experts in that. Especially with Trump you will never know.

  • Independent
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    Trump called Mr. Moon ; Mr Moon complimented Trump (the only tactic which works with Trump); in turn Trump boasted that "he" initiated the talks etc. thus an huge lie. But yeah in the meantime China as well S. Korea have found out how to "play" our 7 year old child.
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    Dutch Wrote: Trump called Mr. Moon ; Mr Moon complimented Trump (the only tactic which works with Trump); in turn Trump boasted that "he" initiated the talks etc. thus an huge lie. But yeah in the meantime China as well S. Korea have found out how to "play" our 7 year old child.
    Trump now claims he's "friends" with Kim; and "talked" to him ( but won't admit he did or did not). Mr "fake" for sure.