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Majority of Democratic Senators Call on Senator Franken to Resign

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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Sure you guys/girls; stop being hypocrites; these things happen all over the place, I don't approve of it, but get real that's life.

    Instead let's concentrate on GOVERNING the proper way; Al Franken or not, both parties are in shambles. As well having an leader who is totally unfit to lead this country is an way bigger crime then what Al Franken did. All of this shows an country in despair going downhill mentally as well morally .

  • Independent
    Washington
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    Morning Joe: If there was no Roy Moore and\or trump, Al Franken would not have been forced to resign by his own party. The suggestion is that Franken was asked\required to fall on his sword so that sex harrasment can be used as political weapon against Moore and trump without having a sitting democratic senator(s) with sexual baggage; thus the two political parties would be at a stalemate. The trump republican party wins all stalemates, so they don't need to fight any harder than that.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes I agree. Franken is made the fall guy. As Lawrence O'Donnell discussed last night, Democrats are hypocritical when it comes to Franken and his "inappropriate conduct" versus Robert Menendez who was indicted but only got off on the bribery charges because of a hung jury. Menendez is welcome back into the Senate. Franken is shunned.

    As O'Donnell noted, could it be due to the fact that the Minnesota governor is a Democrat and he will replace Franken with another Democrat, whereas if Menendez was asked to fall on his sword, Chris Christie would fill the vacant slot with a Republican. As Lawrence said, it's all politics.

    On another note, if my wife's intuition can be trusted, there are some women who feel that Senator Gillibrand's "zero tolerance" campaign can backfire in the next election. Not all women are as sensitive as Gillibrand makes them out to be. I knew women at work who are as tough as nails and wouldn't take shit from anyone...unless they themselves invited it.

    There is a vast difference in the cases of harassment. Those guys who expose themselves, for example, deserve to be fired. They're kind of creepy by any standards. Or how about a "golden shower" in a Russian hotel. Where does that fall? Ha.

    However, if Franken's kisses and hugs set the new bar on what is zero tolerance, then I expect that many in Congress are guilty...except Republicans, of course, whose brains are wired differently.

  • Independent
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    I suspect its likely that much of Franken is accused of would not be considered harassment by most women, but as noted in previous posts, some women have a very high bar, especially if they have had legitimate problems with men personally or privately. If a woman has been raped, a simple hug from any guy can evoke the same feelings she had when she was raped, thus she does not want any type of physical contact from men what-so-ever unless she specifically says its OK. A hugger can find himself in trouble at work not knowing that a specific women has been sexual abused.

    I agree that independent women are not all militant feminists; they can understand there are misunderstandings at times between men and women, and there are solutions available so that men like Al Franken are given the opportunity to correct behavior problems. And sometimes that mean nothing more than apologizing for an unwanted hug, not getting fired for it.

  • Liberal
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    The Dems just threw Franklin under the bus and only succeeded in hurting the rest of the country. If anyone thinks the Repubs and their supporters would/will do the same they are sadly mistaken.

    ‘Rolling over on your back and being the "good guy" is for dogs. It’s gets you a pat on the head and a bone to chew on (if you’re lucky). Winners fight back with everything they can find. There is no such thing as winning in politics by being honest, fair or a good guy!

  • Center Left
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    Accurate view pr. We don't have much fight in us anymore. We should. Republicans are working 18 hours a day to give unlimited examples of how horrible they are but we just sit there quietly.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I loved Franken's parting shots at Trump and Moore.

    I could replay them over and over, he's a smart guy.

    Who else are the dems going to ditch like the plague?

  • Independent
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    P.R. and T.J. are both right. What Franken did was not actual the same as Moore or Trump did. I did not see a real reason to remove him. Half of America is like him; let alone if they drink too much. It is time the DNC gets an backbone and fight back. Sorry but the GOP are a bunch of filth which you have to fight all the way.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: P.R. and T.J. are both right. What Franken did was not actual the same as Moore or Trump did. I did not see a real reason to remove him. Half of America is like him; let alone if they drink too much. It is time the DNC gets an backbone and fight back. Sorry but the GOP are a bunch of filth which you have to fight all the way.
    I don't know what the dems set out to prove by ditching Franken, if they were trying to set an example of being more righteous than republicans, it was a poor one. I'll bet there's more accusations of other lawmakers coming on the horizon. It is (harassment) widespread, even in the nooks and crannies of everyday life.
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote:

    ‘Rolling over on your back and being the "good guy" is for dogs. It’s gets you a pat on the head and a bone to chew on (if you’re lucky). Winners fight back with everything they can find. There is no such thing as winning in politics by being honest, fair or a good guy!

    Rumors are that there are many republicans with sexual scandals waiting to be exposed, and the democrats want to expose them, but can't do if they have sitting senators with a little bit dirt on their hands.

    I think it is bad to make the kind of political power play, but they are willing take the risk and were willing to force out Franken to make that move.

    There is no such thing as winning in politics by being honest, fair or a good guy!

    trump would agree, and he is exploiting that very idea.

    trump: ethical and honest people are all losers. If you want to win, you do whatever it takes. lie, deny, break the law, etc. those are the qualities of a true winner. You don't stand for anything other than winning.

    The suggestion is that the only thing wrong with trump is that he chose the wrong political party. If he had decided to run as democrat and won, we'd be celebrating his brilliance and endorsing his sleazy methods for winning.... I can't go along with that thinking, I am too moderate.

  • Liberal
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    I’d like to think Dems are too smart to have supported a Trumpy if he ran as one but...

    This pretty much spells it out in plain English

    https://www.alternet.org/right-wing/al-franken-roy-moore-and-democrats-exploiting-morality-gap

  • Liberal Democrat
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    All of you have come up with some very good thoughts on Al Franken's resignation, but I have a few more ideas to add.

    As Jared mentioned, 30 Democratic senators had asked Franken to resign, which may have been a very shrewd political move. For one thing, it allowed Al Franken to mention the irony of Donald Trump still being in office, and Roy Moore still running for Senate. Left unsaid was the fact that both of them committed far worst crimes that what Franken did.

    As of this morning, the latest poll shows that Doug Jones is 10 points ahead of Roy Moore, which seems to show the wisdom of "they take the low road, and we'll take the high road". Coincidentally, some of Trump's accusers appeared on Megyn Kelly's show yesterday, which will ramp up the pressure on Trump to resign, a course that has already been stated by some of the Democrats in Congress.

    My prediction is that Trump will be out of office within the year due to one or more of the following reasons:

    (1) colluding with the Russians

    (2) money laundering

    (3) sexual harassment charges

    (4) the 25th amendment, which would remove him due to his inability to lead as a result of his mental state.

    I agree with former Minnesota governor Arne Carlson that all of the claims against Franken should be fully investigated, since it is possible that at least some of them are not valid. There has been some speculation that one of his accusers

    (Leeann Tweeden) had been coached by Roger Stone, but all of the sites that printed the story are not ones that I would consider to be valid, ESPECIALLY the story about Tina Dupuy that appeared in Breitbart.

    The fact that 8 women have come forward DOES confirm the fact that there may have been some improprieties, but they should all be examined in more detail.

    It is expected that governor Dayton will appoint his Lt. Governor Tina Smith to serve in Franken's spot until the 2018 mid-terms. Since she has stated that she has no desire to run for the office in 2018, that opens up a very intriguing option for the mid-terms.

    What if the ethics committee ultimately decided that the charges against Franken were not valid? Would that open the door for Franken to regain his seat in the Senate? Since he has been one of the toughest questioners of Trump's nominees, it might be a good move.