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What is going on now, trump, Pelosi, Schumer

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  • Independent
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    I personally don't like any of the three, and would not trust any deal they made together. We all know trump will flip on anyone, anytime (except the Puttin), so are Pelosi and Schumer really serious about becoming trump's new best friends?

    trump just fucked over 800,000 dreamers, now he's flipped and say it was it was wrong. So why would Pelosi and Schumer be so eager fill the gap vacated by dejected republicans who trump has publicly denounced.

  • Center Left
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    A measly pitiful assemblage of beings. From Rudolph the red nose reindeer: The island of misfit toys.

    I think he laughs through every single day. This clown show should be mostly ignored. He says Melania, Let me tell you what they accepted today....

  • Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd Wrote:

    I personally don't like any of the three, and would not trust any deal they made together. We all know trump will flip on anyone, anytime (except the Puttin), so are Pelosi and Schumer really serious about becoming trump's new best friends?

    trump just fucked over 800,000 dreamers, now he's flipped and say it was it was wrong. So why would Pelosi and Schumer be so eager fill the gap vacated by dejected republicans who trump has publicly denounced.

    Trump wants to win, he wants to be the winner in anything and everything, even if it means he can get democrats to cuddle up to him, he will appear to his base he has won-something.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Ummm...the minority Democrats just got a massive policy win by attaching the debt ceiling to a bill that gave billions of dollars in hurricane aid without having to give a single concession.

    Why in the world would any Democrat be mad about that?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    But, but, but, we're supposed to be the party of NO now.
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    Dockadams Wrote: But, but, but, we're supposed to be the party of NO now.

    Haha. Except when we are able to pit Donald against his own party!

    I'm a-ok with the Democrats working with Donald if they are able to split the Republican Party and pass bills that are center to center-left. We should fight fire with fire, but why not work with Donald to pass things that Democrats actually agree with?

    Spoiler alert - Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders isn't President. Let's learn to be ok with our leadership working with Donald on things that will split the Republicans. I loathe Donald with every fiber of my being, but I have no problem with Democrats working with him to pass things that we actually agree with.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: But, but, but, we're supposed to be the party of NO now.

    Haha. Except when we are able to pit Donald against his own party!

    I'm a-ok with the Democrats working with Donald if they are able to split the Republican Party and pass bills that are center to center-left. We should fight fire with fire, but why not work with Donald to pass things that Democrats actually agree with?

    Spoiler alert - Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders isn't President. Let's learn to be ok with our leadership working with Donald on things that will split the Republicans. I loathe Donald with every fiber of my being, but I have no problem with Democrats working with him to pass things that we actually agree with.

    The art of the deal, okay, what's the catch? What kind of strings are attached to a deal? Trump never gives something for nothing, we all know that.
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    The Dems got the repukes off the hook by getting 15 billion to Texas. They should have sat back and let them fight among themselves. I say screw Texas , they keep saying FU to the rest f the nation ,they want to secede ,let them ask their beloved repukes for the money. By the way , where will they get another 15 billion for FLA?

    Pelosi is just another criminal.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: But, but, but, we're supposed to be the party of NO now.

    Haha. Except when we are able to pit Donald against his own party!

    I'm a-ok with the Democrats working with Donald if they are able to split the Republican Party and pass bills that are center to center-left. We should fight fire with fire, but why not work with Donald to pass things that Democrats actually agree with?

    Spoiler alert - Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders isn't President. Let's learn to be ok with our leadership working with Donald on things that will split the Republicans. I loathe Donald with every fiber of my being, but I have no problem with Democrats working with him to pass things that we actually agree with.

    Dependents how things get structured\agreed. Yes, in this simple case all democrats did was propose what they wanted, and trump agrees. Nothing gambled, and nothing traded away.

    My concern is that they end up working with trump on getting back something trump has already taken away, and concessions to trump are at the expense of other important issues.

    trump takes away X by rolling back of President Obama policies because he hates President Obama.

    democrats give away A,B,C to get X back. And it could be argued that X is more important than the combined value of A, B, C. But trump took away X because he knows its a powerful bargaining chip that Democrats want back. What will trump demand not to issue an executive order to deport dreamers after the 6th month deadline expires? I suspect he can demand pretty much his entire campaign promises in trade for allowing dreamers to legally stay, otherwise deportations begins.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd Wrote:

    Dependents how things get structured\agreed. Yes, in this simple case all democrats did was propose what they wanted, and trump agrees. Nothing gambled, and nothing traded away.

    My concern is that they end up working with trump on getting back something trump has already taken away, and concessions to trump are at the expense of other important issues.

    trump takes away X by rolling back of President Obama policies because he hates President Obama.

    democrats give away A,B,C to get X back. And it could be argued that X is more important than the combined value of A, B, C. But trump took away X because he knows its a powerful bargaining chip that Democrats want back. What will trump demand not to issue an executive order to deport dreamers after the 6th month deadline expires? I suspect he can demand pretty much his entire campaign promises in trade for allowing dreamers to legally stay, otherwise deportations begins.

    That's unfortunately what might happen with things and why elections matter. Democrats wouldn't be in this pickle if more people in a handful of states didn't stay home last November.

    The silver lining is that Donald doesn't seem to really understand how government functions and the give and take of Congressional negotiations. His deal with the Democrats seemed more designed to stick a thumb in Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell's eye than anything else. If he continues to make deals with Democrats that give us 90% of what we want then I'm a-ok with it, but I hope the Democratic leadership in both houses holds firm on things that are sacrosanct to Democrats.

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    Dockadams Wrote: The art of the deal, okay, what's the catch? What kind of strings are attached to a deal? Trump never gives something for nothing, we all know that.

    That's the crazy thing - there is no catch. Congressional Democrats offered a three month extension of the debt ceiling and disaster aid to Texas and Trump, according to sources in the room, immediately accepted it with zero questions asked.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: The art of the deal, okay, what's the catch? What kind of strings are attached to a deal? Trump never gives something for nothing, we all know that.

    That's the crazy thing - there is no catch. Congressional Democrats offered a three month extension of the debt ceiling and disaster aid to Texas and Trump, according to sources in the room, immediately accepted it with zero questions asked.

    IMHO, something smells bad in DC. Is the deal really to poke his thumb into McConnell and Ryan's eye? If he's going to go against his own party, he might as well flip to being a democrat, and give everyone everything they (we) want, and clean up his act about building a wall, deporting immigrants, and banning Muslims, as well as dropping his twitter crap, and speaking in a nicer way when talking about the population as a whole. I'm one democrat that doesn't want him though, he would need to seriously mend his ways.
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    Dockadams Wrote: IMHO, something smells bad in DC. Is the deal really to poke his thumb into McConnell and Ryan's eye? If he's going to go against his own party, he might as well flip to being a democrat, and give everyone everything they (we) want, and clean up his act about building a wall, deporting immigrants, and banning Muslims, as well as dropping his twitter crap, and speaking in a nicer way when talking about the population as a whole. I'm one democrat that doesn't want him though, he would need to seriously mend his ways.

    I don't want him either, but Democrats should learn to take yes for an answer. Congressional Democrats got everything they wanted and didn't have to give anything up in return. I'm not naive enough to think that is going to become the new normal, but we might as well be happy about this one.

    Donald is a terrible human being who very well may tear this country apart at the seams and I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that he is the one person in this country who can decide to start a nuclear war, but that's for another thread.

    The Democrats got everything they wanted in this specific deal. That's just fine with me.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    We'll need to wait and see what happens. This short term budget deal is just that. When the congress gets together for further budget negotiations, we'll see if he holds democrats and republicans over a barrel by saying he gave them (D's) what they wanted in disaster relief. The so called (fat lady) hasn't sung yet. There's no catch or stings attached right now, but this isn't over, I don't think.
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    Dockadams Wrote: We'll need to wait and see what happens. This short term budget deal is just that. When the congress gets together for further budget negotiations, we'll see if he holds democrats and republicans over a barrel by saying he gave them (D's) what they wanted in disaster relief. The so called (fat lady) hasn't sung yet. There's no catch or stings attached right now, but this isn't over, I don't think.

    Then Democrats will have to deal with that when/if it happens.

    Here's the thing - Congressional Democrats have zero say when it comes to budget negotiations because budget reconciliation bills aren't subject to the filibuster. We can bitch and moan and try to convince the couple "moderate" Republicans to not go along, but Congressional Democrats have little to zero power when it comes to budget bills.

    Everything else is (at least for now) subject to a filibuster and I have a strong feeling Senate Democrats aren't going to roll over and sign off on something that goes against everything we stand for. I may be proven wrong, especially when it comes to Dreamers and other top Democratic priorities, but I sure hope I'm not.