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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Unless the government mandates and subsidized universal batteries, universal quick changing battery designs and universal battery changing stations throughout the USA battery powered cars will only reach a small fraction of their potential. Electric cars will have to have the same ease of use as gasoline cars do in order to replace gasoline cars. If universal battery changing stations aren't a reality then the next biggest blight on the country will be abandoned electric cars in need of batteries. Quick charging stations will be a novelty for retirees to meet and shoot the breeze. Replacing gasoline cars will save in every aspect.*** And I hate electric cars. The love of my life is my 500 HP, 110 Decibel V8 S10 pickup truck. I grew up when 50s cars could be had from the factory with superchargers, fuel injection, cross ram double 4 barrels and 3 2s.

    ***Only if there are universal batteries and battery changing stations for general access .

  • Center Left
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    I really hope electric cars become feasible because it will be a clean way forward. Logistically it's not there yet. Up to 200 miles there's no problem. Tesla is on board. The difference maker will be improvement in battery technology. Hopefully a battery getting closer to 500 miles and improvement in charging technology will open the gates. We shall see what happens.
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    I just read an article about this. In 1999 this guy had an interview with Kodak. It did not go well. He talks about the facts that a combustion engine has so many hundreds of moving parts, that an electric engine has about twenty moving parts. He points.out that economics are reality. And just like Kodak, Exxon is doomed. And he thinks it will happen very quickly too. Like just a few years.

    Now I've been around since rotary phones and I remember when computers used floppy discs and my dad was 14 before he had a tv. I watched a movie last week shot in 1951 featuring Jimmy Stewart. They did not have TV in 1951. Anyone know how fast that change happened?

    By 2021 we will be able to buy self driving electric cars that will last for a million miles.

    They days of the combustion engine are numbered.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: I really hope electric cars become feasible because it will be a clean way forward. Logistically it's not there yet. Up to 200 miles there's no problem. Tesla is on board. The difference maker will be improvement in battery technology. Hopefully a battery getting closer to 500 miles and improvement in charging technology will open the gates. We shall see what happens.

    Improvementd in charging technology and battery power relegate the EV to a very small segment and the limited range will never make a dent in the gasoline car dominance. Working people won't put up with limited range and timely charging stations. In reality the EV is severely limited. Universal battery charging stations will eliminate the need for the purchase of a battery. Changing stations will maintain the batteries better giving them a longer life and the changing charge can reflect the maintenance and replacement of batteries. Replacing gasoline cars with electric cars will put millions of people out of work. EVs use only a fraction of the number of parts as a gasoline car. Repair costs will approach zero comparatively. But the elephant in the room is EVs may never be affordable without government subsidies. The energy industry faced the same problem in the early 1900's. There were a plethora of alternatives to gasoline powered cars at the beginning. There were engines that ran off the fumes of incomplete combustion from an onboard small furnace, steam cars and electric cars. But cheap gasoline ran them out of business. EVs may need subsidies.

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    Well Chet , we will reach peak oil by 22 or so. And technology will catch up. It is rapidly doing so there are like a thousand orders for Tesla to fill right now. Those who doubt tech are always left in the dust.

    Corporations who buy and conceal technology are criminals who commit crime against humanity. Gm ,Exxon along with many other corporations are guilty of this and much more. At some point , even they can't stop progress. You have been lied to Chet. You need to wake the fuck up . Because ten years from now there won't be any gas engines even allowed on most roads. The very idea that we spent over 140 years being lied to and driving these rediculess machines that weigh thousands of pounds and so many people were maimed and crushed by them when we should have pursued elec cars from 1880 on. Hell the first cars were electric. We,our nation had a wonderful ele tric street car system over 100 years ago. !!!! We never needed gas powered cars and trucks. It's all a scam a crime against humanity from the beginning. Hell prohibition is a crime against humanity we lock up innocent people every day over a goddamd plant.

    You have been lied to chet.wake the fuck up

  • Center Left
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    I agree the electric possibilities are endless. Trouble is money often equals power and Exxon and all the others have huuuge money, jobs, and they own so many politicians. We need to untie that knot. Chet, you had the replaceable battery idea a long time ago. Don't be closed minded because we don't yet know the solutions. It will be a challenge but things are getting much better. A Tesla used to be quite expensive but many of their cars have come down quite a lot in price.When it all gets worked out our grandchildren will have far cleaner air to breath. Let's hope consumer demand for more maintenance free vehicles and less dependence on fossil fuel cars keeps high. We don't know what's ahead. I am hopeful.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes technology is moving along ultra fast, not only in parts of the USA, but also Europe, Japan, China and India...some countries that we seem to think of as "developing". Once China purges itself from coal (and they have a plan to do exactly that) then coal energy will be history.

    Battery operated cars and charging stations will be common place on the roads before I die (and I'm 70). And I won't even have to drive...my robot will just answer to my command. I'll drink a cold beer as we motor down the road, and I won't even have to worry about a DUI.

    Oh to be young again.

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    One way to make something in the US adopted\common\affordable by the population, have the government mandate that the military adopt it. I think GPS was something first use\created by US military. Solar power?
  • Liberal
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    Maindawg Wrote:

    I just read an article about this. In 1999 this guy had an interview with Kodak. It did not go well. He talks about the facts that a combustion engine has so many hundreds of moving parts, that an electric engine has about twenty moving parts. He points.out that economics are reality. And just like Kodak, Exxon is doomed. And he thinks it will happen very quickly too. Like just a few years.

    Now I've been around since rotary phones and I remember when computers used floppy discs and my dad was 14 before he had a tv. I watched a movie last week shot in 1951 featuring Jimmy Stewart. They did not have TV in 1951. Anyone know how fast that change happened?

    By 2021 we will be able to buy self driving electric cars that will last for a million miles.

    They days of the combustion engine are numbered.

    While I can agree with much of what you say, we out definately did have TV in 1953! Regular broadcast TV was available in many major US markets by 1947 or 48 and almost universally by 1950. I was 7 years old in 1950 and we had a TV that received 2 stations in Boston.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Maindawg Wrote:

    Well Chet , we will reach peak oil by 22 or so. And technology will catch up. It is rapidly doing so there are like a thousand orders for Tesla to fill right now. Those who doubt tech are always left in the dust.

    Corporations who buy and conceal technology are criminals who commit crime against humanity. Gm ,Exxon along with many other corporations are guilty of this and much more. At some point , even they can't stop progress. You have been lied to Chet. You need to wake the fuck up . Because ten years from now there won't be any gas engines even allowed on most roads. The very idea that we spent over 140 years being lied to and driving these rediculess machines that weigh thousands of pounds and so many people were maimed and crushed by them when we should have pursued elec cars from 1880 on. Hell the first cars were electric. We,our nation had a wonderful ele tric street car system over 100 years ago. !!!! We never needed gas powered cars and trucks. It's all a scam a crime against humanity from the beginning. Hell prohibition is a crime against humanity we lock up innocent people every day over a goddamd plant.

    You have been lied to chet.wake the fuck up

    "You have been lied to chet.wake the fuck up"

    What have I been lied to about that you think I believe?

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    "Corporations who buy and conceal technology are criminals who commit crime against humanity. Gm ,Exxon along with many other corporations are guilty of this and much more"

    "Great Street Car Scandal" is the probably the biggest atrocity pulled by giant corporations. If not for the oil, tire and car manufacturers buying all the trolley systems and letting them go bankrupt the United States today would probably be criss crossed with mass transpirtation. The trolley cars were electric cars and they were abolished by oil, rubber and car companies.


    And I suspect they are working against electric cars today. They are somehow getting the electric car movement away from interchangeable batteries. Tesla had the interchangeabld battery system perfected. A Tesla could pull into their changing station and change batteries as quick as refueling with gasoline would take. Tesla invested a lot of time and money in the interchangeable battery and changing station. And now they are backing away from it. Why??? Did they get to Elon Musk?

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    Maindawg Wrote:

    Well Chet , we will reach peak oil by 22 or so. And technology will catch up. It is rapidly doing so there are like a thousand orders for Tesla to fill right now. Those who doubt tech are always left in the dust.

    Corporations who buy and conceal technology are criminals who commit crime against humanity. Gm ,Exxon along with many other corporations are guilty of this and much more. At some point , even they can't stop progress. You have been lied to Chet. You need to wake the fuck up . Because ten years from now there won't be any gas engines even allowed on most roads. The very idea that we spent over 140 years being lied to and driving these rediculess machines that weigh thousands of pounds and so many people were maimed and crushed by them when we should have pursued elec cars from 1880 on. Hell the first cars were electric. We,our nation had a wonderful ele tric street car system over 100 years ago. !!!! We never needed gas powered cars and trucks. It's all a scam a crime against humanity from the beginning. Hell prohibition is a crime against humanity we lock up innocent people every day over a goddamd plant.

    You have been lied to chet.wake the fuck up

    "Well Chet , we will reach peak oil by 22 or so."

    Peak oil is now 2060 and some say the concept may not be assigned at all. New discoveries and techniques are pushing peak oil well into the future.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Yes technology is moving along ultra fast, not only in parts of the USA, but also Europe, Japan, China and India...some countries that we seem to think of as "developing". Once China purges itself from coal (and they have a plan to do exactly that) then coal energy will be history.

    Battery operated cars and charging stations will be common place on the roads before I die (and I'm 70). And I won't even have to drive...my robot will just answer to my command. I'll drink a cold beer as we motor down the road, and I won't even have to worry about a DUI.

    Oh to be young again.

    Sounds young to me.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    24285978 I the GM part number for a battery for their electric car. Cheapest price I could find was a little over $11,000.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Hmmm, driving an electric car could be, or must be akin to having 1/4 tank of gas in a gasoline powered car driving on rural roads in Oklahoma and not seeing or finding gas stations on every corner, you just keep driving and driving hoping to find a gas station very soon, very soon, or, you'll be walking for miles and miles.

    What if you don't have a smart phone? Do or will electric cars have wireless service in them? If so, will the car's computer have an app or apps to help you find a charge stations?

    chargepoint.com/