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When is America waking up?

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  • Independent
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    Right now the one stupidity after the other is done by the Trump clan. Jared Kussner should be immediately fired from his position in the White House and his security clearance revoked, because he keeps on lying. There are all kind of rules but no one seems to care to apply those. What is wrong with this country?; are we sound asleep; Mueller seems to be sound asleep as well. Plenty of law breaking going on; nobody seems to care. Money laundering, Lying, lying, and lying' Now all of a sudden two more Russian connected people in the meeting about getting dirt on Hillary? Who is going to do something finally? If Obama had done these things he would be in handcuffs and in jail. Sorry to say this country loves corruption and does nothing about it. May I puke

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch -- Have patience. The Mueller investigation is proceeding without headlines by necessity. It is not a trial by journalistic exposure. He is building a solid legal case, and I just hope all the leaks to the media do not compromise his case.

    Democrats are powerless to call Trump on the carpet for anything, except to go on MSNBC and complain. The tribal Republicans are protecting him by blocking every single Democratic action to make him accountable. It is the constituents of members of Congress who need to step up to the plate in big numbers. They are doing that with respect to health care, but the "Russia thing" is probably far too complicated for many Americans.

    And for many of Trump's most hardened supporters the "Russia thing" is just another reason to like the guy. Many Americans like a brash authoritarian leader like Putin and Trump. Some of them are anarchists.

  • Independent
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    They just voted on to get the security clearance of Kussner revoked; guess what, the GOP blocked it; thus Jared Kussner can just go on corrupting this country. Thus Schmidt, as long as the hardened GOP members stick with Trump, nothing gets in their way. Even Trump got an new lawyer. Where is the DNC?? Sorry but I think we are moving closer and closer to an dictorial government; handing in all voter records prove this!
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: They just voted on to get the security clearance of Kussner revoked; guess what, the GOP blocked it; thus Jared Kussner can just go on corrupting this country. Thus Schmidt, as long as the hardened GOP members stick with Trump, nothing gets in their way. Even Trump got an new lawyer. Where is the DNC?? Sorry but I think we are moving closer and closer to an dictorial government; handing in all voter records prove this!
    Patience Dutch, patience. It took 2 years, more or less to get the goods on Nixon.
  • Independent
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    Is America waking up?

    doubtful.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: Democrats are powerless to call Trump on the carpet for anything, except to go on MSNBC and complain. The tribal Republicans are protecting him by blocking every single Democratic action to make him accountable. It is the constituents of members of Congress who need to step up to the plate in big numbers. They are doing that with respect to health care, but the "Russia thing" is probably far too complicated for many Americans.

    And for many of Trump's most hardened supporters the "Russia thing" is just another reason to like the guy. Many Americans like a brash authoritarian leader like Putin and Trump. Some of them are anarchists.

    I wish more people in this country understood civics.

    Democrats are powerless when it comes to holding Donald accountable, at least until after the 2018 elections. And I'm not holding my breath for that because I fear that "Bernie or Bust" so called Democrats will torpedo any chance Democrats have to take over the House and Senate in the same way they did in the 2016 election.

    The only body that is able to hold a President accountable for anything is the Legislative branch. Sure, courts can rule laws or Executive Orders unconstitutional, but the only body that can do anything about a President is the Legislative branch.

    I'm not trying to teach you a civics lesson (because I know you fully understand this), but I am trying to teach everyone else out there that elections actually do matter and voting for a third party, or not voting at all, has its consequences.

    The Republican Party is not going to fully investigate Donald's campaign and they are not going to fully investigate his business dealings before or during his Presidency. They are not going to fully investigate if he paid all of his taxes and they are not going to fully investigate if he is violating the Emoluments Clause. And anyone who believes otherwise is living in a fantasy land.

    Hopefully enough Democrats in the right states recognize that in November 2018, but I'm not holding my breath.

  • Liberal
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    And, I might add - I would really rather have an idiot like Trumpy as POTUS than a religious asshole like Pence. Trumpy is only really interested in how much he can steal from the American people and still have his ego stroked daily by them. Pence puts the Bible first then the party and last and least the general public.

    Trumpy is just an ignorant scam artist and outright thief. Pence actually believes the shit that runs out of his mouth.

    So, it comes down to living in a corrupt world driven by greed and ignorance or a theocracy driven by bigotry and ignorance we are all basically looking for the paddle to get us back down out of the creek.

    Personaly, I'll take greed over Jebezus any day. At least when a greedy person trys to fuck you they don't do it in the name of their god!

    God didn't save the queen (or king) and God ain't gunna save us in spite of what they say in Alabama (or London)!

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Points well taken PR, I too cringe at bible thumpers.
  • Independent
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    Finally Jared admits that our system of government does not work; if only the "legal" branch can do something, then forget it, because that is also in GOP hands, like Sessions and Gorsuch etc. An country which is only run by two parties who are far apart of each other, as well antique laws and an "capitalistic" corrupt system, then you never get out of the corrupt shit. Thus even if in 2018 the "votes" are more favorable to the Dem's, then all the "damage" done by the GOP and their idiot leader (as well the supreme court) can not be reversed or will take forever to do so. Also in 2020 if the "electoral college" stays as it is, it may again sway towards the GOP because of voter "suppression" and "gerrymandering" etc. Also the supreme court may by that time have more nominee's done by the GOP. So things do look bleak, as Jared described, due to self inflicted wounds in this country.

    As I said many times if the system and laws stay as they are, then this country will stay on the downward slope; also the arrogant "island" mentality will isolate it from the rest of the world; indeed it will become an "banana republic" with only the "super manipulating rich" and the "poor" but nothing in between. As P.R. describes the "churches" are part of the "deal"; they spew their "lies" from the pulpit and indoctrinate as much as the can in favor of the Pence doctrine "coupled" to Trump.

  • Center Left
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    So we're selecting between brands of horrible ? Selecting greedy dishonest thievery over a religious nut. How did we get here ? 40% of this country was shocked that a man of color was hired in '08 - terrible - mind blowing. Then in '12 it happened again ! OY VEY. Plus Dems getting the top job twice. Thievery while white is perfectly acceptable in too many minds.

    Poll numbers continue downwards. Buyers remorse....

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Published timeline: Time and place of meeting with Russians and Donald Jr about damaging Hillary material established. Few hours later Trump is on TV announcing he will be presenting damaging information about Hillary next week or so. The meeting was held in Trump towers. I would think that the Trumps would have their meeting rooms equipped with recording equipment. Any high level meeting I have attended was memorialized to protect both sides.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote:

    So we're selecting between brands of horrible ? Selecting greedy dishonest thievery over a religious nut. How did we get here ? 40% of this country was shocked that a man of color was hired in '08 - terrible - mind blowing. Then in '12 it happened again ! OY VEY. Plus Dems getting the top job twice. Thievery while white is perfectly acceptable in too many minds.

    Poll numbers continue downwards. Buyers remorse....

    How we got here is Trump campaigned on what should have been the Democratic campaign acknowledgement and promise : "Lots of good paying jobs" "Make America Great Again" and "Insurance for Everybody".
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote:

    So we're selecting between brands of horrible ? Selecting greedy dishonest thievery over a religious nut. How did we get here ? 40% of this country was shocked that a man of color was hired in '08 - terrible - mind blowing. Then in '12 it happened again ! OY VEY. Plus Dems getting the top job twice. Thievery while white is perfectly acceptable in too many minds.

    Poll numbers continue downwards. Buyers remorse....

    T.J. sorry to say the Dem's made huge mistakes. Of course Jared will not agree that Bernie would have been an better candidate than Hillary. The DNC should have known that by putting solely all their effort into the Clinton's with all their past etc. ( tonight on TV; the "nineties") which was an huge miscalculation. Yes the 40% who are fond of "white superior christians" could not have won, if the stupidity of an "electoral college" would have been changed in the past by the Democrats. Thus we are now stuck with this disaster because we love "antique rules" which don't fit 2017. Again all of this is inflicted by this country itself. Talking about horrible; do something about it America.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I'm getting tired of all the Bernie bromance...the would have, could have, should haves.

    As I said in other posts, Bernie was not vetted by anyone. The Republicans had ton of dirt on Bernie that they held back on. Sure the Hillary supporters like me would have voted for Bernie. I even would have canvassed for him. But once his baggage was put out in the street for everyone to see, many voters would not be able to punch his ticket.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Bernie Sanders net worth is around $500,000 which is poor considering the net worth of other politicians.

    bing.com/search?q=bernie+sanders+net+we...

    Sanders didn't need vetting, he vetted himself, if you've ever watched news clips of him vs republican politician ideology. He seems to be a straight talker, and has caucused with democrats for just about ever. If anyone remembers, Obama wasn't vetted either, he was an unknown black representative from Illinois that republican voters flipped for. In fact, Sanders received more media coverage in the years previous to the 2008 election before anyone knew Obama existed.

    I really don't care about Bernie's baggage, whatever it may be, I'm sure he couldn't hold a candle to the Trump Clan's baggage.