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  • Liberal
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    I just heard the dialogue between Trumpy and Macron, in Paris. I must say I was astounded and embarrassed by both of these guys. I thought Macron was one of the "good guys" but he seems to be trying to be Frances' version of Trump.

    Has the whole world gone crazy?

  • Independent
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    Yes very strange; however don't forget France is part of the EU; thus they can't do a lot of things on their own, like trade deals. I bet that Merkel will make sure France follows the EU mandate.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Did we watch a different press conference?

    International politics is messy and often borders on the absurd in front of the cameras, but I would be hard pressed to say that Macron is the French version of Donald.

    Everything Macron has said about Donald both by name and by insinuation has been negative, but anyone who follows international politics understands that world leaders don't call each other out during a press conference. That's just not how it works.

  • Liberal
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    Well, I did listen to it on NPR so I missed the body language, BUT Macron sure sounded like he was Trumpys new best friend. At least Angela Merklel doesn't try and kiss his ass! Not to mention he invited him to France.
  • Independent
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    I think most of the world leaders are waiting it out with the perception that Trump, and his base are outliers, something like a fade that has no long term influence. Trump does not fit well into US's very long history of being a progressive nation, and there is nothing to suggest that the US has been drifting for decades into wanting to elect Trump, have him set aside the US Constitution, and rule as if he has overthrown the US government as a permanently elected President. Trump may have the perpcetion that he was permanently elected, and\or, was he elected along with an amendment of "We elect Trump and give him absolute power"
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    pr Wrote: Well, I did listen to it on NPR so I missed the body language, BUT Macron sure sounded like he was Trumpys new best friend. At least Angela Merklel doesn't try and kiss his ass! Not to mention he invited him to France.

    The vast majority of Macron's answers were in French and translated into English. Not just that, but you can't look at body language while listening to the radio.

    World leaders kiss each other's ass in front of the cameras all the time, including leader Angela Merkel.

    Image result for angela merkel g20 trump

    This is what drives me nuts about die hard liberals. There is plenty of evidence out there that makes Donald look like a fool, but getting pissed off every time a world leader meets with him only makes you look like one.

  • Liberal
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    Actually Macron spoke English quite a bit. You can tell a lot about people by their voice - Trumpy is a prime example.

    I would suggest one major reason Dems have taken a beating recently is because they just tend to go along with this BS rather than fight back. Rolling over to get your belly scratched is great for dogs but not so much us. If Liberals had stood up to a Trumpy and his kind to begin with he might not have become POTUS but, no, we all just said to ourselves "Who would be dumb enough to actually vote for that asshole" and we found out on election night.

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    pr Wrote: Actually Macron spoke English quite a bit. You can tell a lot about people by their voice - Trumpy is a prime example.

    I would suggest one major reason Dems have taken a beating recently is because they just tend to go along with this BS rather than fight back. Rolling over to get your belly scratched is great for dogs but not so much us. If Liberals had stood up to a Trumpy and his kind to begin with he might not have become POTUS but, no, we all just said to ourselves "Who would be dumb enough to actually vote for that asshole" and we found out on election night.

    You began this thread by lamenting that Macron didn't take a shit on Donald's face during a joint press conference and then turned it into a diatribe about liberals being too lazy to vote. I'm all with you when it comes to the latter, but we now have to deal with the former.

    Donald is our President because a handful of people in a handful of states voted for him to be our President, but we now have the President a minority of the population voted for and world leaders have to deal with that.

  • Liberal
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    I agree with you - so what do we do? Lay on our backs and get our bellys rubbed or fight these assholes tooth and nail? I say fight!
  • Liberal
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    Noam has it nail better than anyone else (as usual).

    salon.com/2017/07/14/noam-chomsky-the-l...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Noam Chomsky certainly has some good ideas, but I find him too idealistic in the practicalities of being able to implement his ideas. For example, he notes that almost half the population (the Christian evangelicals for the most part) thinks that the climate change problem is not a real problem "because of the second coming of Christ within a couple decades." That's certainly true...no argument there. But then Chomsky says it should not be dealt with by demonstrations but with "sympathetic interactions" with that segment of the population.

    I'm sorry, but sympathetic interactions with religious nuts who believe the second coming of Christ in a couple of decades absolves them of environmental responsibilities is not my idea of a productive discourse. I am all for compromising with Republicans on many issues, but 0n this one issue I would have a tough time sitting and listening to their reasoning and finding common ground.

    Maybe I'm the oddball out on this one.

    PS -- I should add that "seeking common ground" seems to be the more politically correct words that politicians use instead of "seeking compromises". "Compromise" for many liberals is a four letter word.

  • Independent
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    P.R. I guess Jared does not know how politics work; especially in this country. I bet Macron will go his own way and is "nice" to him, so he can "rule" without US obstruction. Trump is very easy to manipulate as long as you are "nice" to him.

    As an anecdote Trump acted like an little kid in an toy store when they had the parade and overfly of French airforce planes. Also he loved the Louvre etc. and the Eiffel Tower; of course for Melania the shopping at Dior etc.

    Thus the message is "slime" with Trump then you have no problem with him in the future.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes, Macron recognizes what some other world leaders like King Salman of Saudi Arabia have noted that butting heads with Trump will get you no where. On the other hand, by indulging him with flattery and otherwise "showing him respect" it is possible to get Trump, the kid in the candy store, to move closer to your position. If Macron's one achievement through flattering Trump is to get him to embrace much of the Paris Accord on Climate Change, then it might be considered a win for the global initiative.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: P.R. I guess Jared does not know how politics work; especially in this country. I bet Macron will go his own way and is "nice" to him, so he can "rule" without US obstruction. Trump is very easy to manipulate as long as you are "nice" to him.

    I know exactly how politics work, which is why I wasn't surprised in the least when Macron bent over backwards to flatter Donald.

    That was my entire point in my response to PR.

  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: P.R. I guess Jared does not know how politics work; especially in this country. I bet Macron will go his own way and is "nice" to him, so he can "rule" without US obstruction. Trump is very easy to manipulate as long as you are "nice" to him.

    I know exactly how politics work, which is why I wasn't surprised in the least when Macron bent over backwards to flatter Donald.

    That was my entire point in my response to PR.

    Jared, sorry about that; I likely misinterpreted your reaction; my apologies.