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  • Center Left
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    The most recent case of severe injustice took place and too few are acknowledging that it happened. Maybe if we don't discuss it ...

    The NRA should be losing their God damned minds and they would be if he was white.

    As mentioned in the link, the man was a legal gun owner who was with his family. He committed no crime. He's dead and the cop is not charged. It may be fine in your neighborhood but much of America doesn't live in the same comfort zone. Many roll their eyes and quickly scroll past.

    Houston, we have a problem.

    vox.com/culture/2017/6/20/15838472/trev...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I watched Trevor Noah as he went into his discourse of the injustice. He was right on about the NRA. But the larger question here is that "shoot first" is seemingly an all to common occurrence amongst some police as they encounter a black man. Trevor words speak the truth:

    “Every time I watch that video,” Noah began, referring to the Facebook Live video that Castille’s girlfriend, who witnessed the shooting, streamed in its immediate aftermath, “the question I ask myself is, ‘How?’ Just ... how? How does a black person not get shot in America? Because if you think about it, the bar is always moving. The goalposts are always shifting. There’s always a different thing that explains why a person got shot ... at some point you realize, there’s no real answer.”

    It has indeed become that...no real answer. It just happens again and again.

  • Center Left
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    The stories of profiling and the all but fair slant should have them frustrated, confused, angry and without hope. I think the protests are mild with the level of injustice. Civility is the norm but more extreme discontent is natural. Ugly times.
  • Independent
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    Guess what; our present government sows hate and discrimination Trump and his cronies want White Superior Christians only, so that is the result.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Law enforcement are among the lowest paid professionals charged with the most important job there is, maintaing law and order. Paying law enforcement more money and hiring more officers would be a step in reducing tensions. But seems austerity and denial of lower class problems is the DNC attitude.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    We can certainly pay our law enforcement officers more as warranted, but they also need to be screened more carefully including psychological profiles. I respect the professionalism of most peace officers, but a few bad apples can undermine their profession. While the many police encounters that are brought to an amicable ending are never publicized, the ones that end with tragedies by a trigger happy cop tend to stereotype the vast majority of policemen unfairly.

    WTF...the DNC to blame again? You lost me on that one...as usual.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    IMHO, if you're a black man between the ages of 14 to 45, you have a 75/25 chance of not surviving and encounter with a cop.

    From PBS:

    10 Rules of Survival if Stopped by the Police

    1. Be polite and respectful when stopped by the police. Keep your mouth closed.

    2. Remember that your goal is to get home safely. If you feel that your rights have been violated, you and your parents have the right to file a formal complaint with your local police jurisdiction.

    3. Don’t, under any circumstance, get into an argument with the police.

    4. Always remember that anything you say or do can be used against you in court.

    5. Keep your hands in plain sight and make sure the police can see your hands at all times.

    6. Avoid physical contact with the police. No sudden movements, and keep hands out of your pockets.

    7. Do not run, even if you are afraid of the police.

    8. Even if you believe that you are innocent, do not resist arrest.

    9. Don’t make any statements about the incident until you are able to meet with a lawyer or public defender.

    10. Stay calm and remain in control. Watch your words, body language and emotions.

    "young black males are 21 times more likely to be shot dead than their white counterparts"

    pbs.org/black-culture/connect/talk-back...

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    We can certainly pay our law enforcement officers more as warranted, but they also need to be screened more carefully including psychological profiles. I respect the professionalism of most peace officers, but a few bad apples can undermine their profession. While the many police encounters that are brought to an amicable ending are never publicized, the ones that end with tragedies by a trigger happy cop tend to stereotype the vast majority of policemen unfairly.

    WTF...the DNC to blame again? You lost me on that one...as usual.

    Yes, it is Obama's fault, ask Trump
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    We can certainly pay our law enforcement officers more as warranted, but they also need to be screened more carefully including psychological profiles. I respect the professionalism of most peace officers, but a few bad apples can undermine their profession. While the many police encounters that are brought to an amicable ending are never publicized, the ones that end with tragedies by a trigger happy cop tend to stereotype the vast majority of policemen unfairly.

    WTF...the DNC to blame again? You lost me on that one...as usual.

    Yes, it is Obama's fault, ask Trump
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Paying someone more money isn't going to compel a cop not to shoot a black person, or anyone else for that matter. When a person takes an oath to uphold laws, and strap on a pistol and pin a badge on, that's window dressing, they're still supposed to act like human beings, not the animals some seem to be.

    I believe that if a cop shoots someone for not a very good reason, he or she should face the consequences of the law, and be charged and convicted with murder or homicide. Only then will other cops realize it's not them or me, attitudes of cops will change, and only then will it change. It seems the courts are not willing to convict a cop, that needs to change.

    IMHO, a cop is NOT a professional until he or she has a proven track record of being able to adequately communicate with the public and have come to realize that this culture of us vs them attitudes needs to be driven out across the nation.

    There should be laws, and probably are, that when a cop pulls a pistol out, that should be the last resort, not the first.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    We can certainly pay our law enforcement officers more as warranted, but they also need to be screened more carefully including psychological profiles. I respect the professionalism of most peace officers, but a few bad apples can undermine their profession. While the many police encounters that are brought to an amicable ending are never publicized, the ones that end with tragedies by a trigger happy cop tend to stereotype the vast majority of policemen unfairly.

    WTF...the DNC to blame again? You lost me on that one...as usual.

    DNC, in 1972 a family with one income could have money for savings. In 2005 a family with 2 incomes has no money for savings. In 2017 47% of families can't come up with $400 for an emergency. Who is supposed to be looking out for the middle class with jobs to live from if not the DNC? Not the Republicans, they look out for their own.

  • Center Left
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    Dock, I agree with your last 2 posts. It's dangerous for too many to take a long walk because the odds are against them. Every police shooting is followed by the officer stating how they were scared. That's the Monopoly game get out of jail free card.

    Police should receive a fair wage but I am not their biggest fan. Some do a very good job I am sure. In the last 8 years there are thousands of videos of crazy acts done by police. Some hear this and curse about giving everyone the ability to record anything they chose. Smart phones will eventually cause improvements in policing because bad acts will continue to be reported.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    And again today, a ex cop of Milwaukee was acquitted, the us vs them mentality ruled.

    newsjs.com/url.php?p=washingtonpost.com...

    He is an ex cop because Milwaukee fired his sorry ass for the killing. He is facing other charges on a federal level for unrelated issues. BTW, the ex cop is black, but was still a cop who drew first and asked questions later. This needs to stop.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    We can certainly pay our law enforcement officers more as warranted, but they also need to be screened more carefully including psychological profiles. I respect the professionalism of most peace officers, but a few bad apples can undermine their profession.

    I have only had a few encounters with law enforcement, and I am at a 50% ratio between good and bad experiences, and its mostly been traffic related. Never had a gun pulled on me, but had officers who clearly were making efforts to provoke me into doing something that would justify them into using violence. I got the very strong sense a couple of times the officers were very keyed up and close to loosing control. From my perspective, the only thing wrong was that I was doing 30mph on a 25mph street (one example). The officers were attempting to bait\bully me in how they handled the traffic stop, and it was very clear to me that I if I did not remain very claim, I would be harmed. In those couple of incidences, nothing happened, but I betting that before the end of the day, those officers got what they were looking for, and someone else found themselves arrestested\harmed because they took the bait.

    And if we think about it, a career in law enforcement is going to naturally attract individuals who have a personality that either needs or wants to control people and situations. Some are very good at it in a way that puts out fires rather than makes them worse. Others who are are not filtered out by well-vetted hiring system will victimize innocent people because they are not qualified to be in law enforcement.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Paying a person more money may not make a more responsible person but it will attract a different class of person. Pay more and people will want to protect their employment more.