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Dutch and educating the voters.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch keeps stressing the need of education for voters to make the right choice. What good is education to close minded subjective electorate. When I joined the sight at the beginning of the campaign I stressed the possibility of Trump victory. I pointed out from the very beginning that he attracts followers and there is no apparent reason for the attraction. I laid out objective support and also said that attacking him will not defeat him but only strengthen his support. On Oct 28th described the scenario for his victory. Said that the reason he was behind in the polls was that people lied to pollsters because they were too embarrassed to say they supported Trump. I said he wanted to win the election but didn't want to be president.

    So what good would education be if people won't consider objective data because they have already formed opinions?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Trump is a businessman focusing on successful events. A politicians is motivated by ongoing successful institutions. Trump will destroy the concept of a society always looking for wins in an event based agenda. He didn't try to win the election and he even says the Democrats should have won the election. The Demicratic status quo needs to focus on Trump not wanting to be President and not interested in benefiting people through his Presidency.
  • Liberal
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    For starters - education, particularly in the areas of history, morality, etc would help some of these people make the correct decision when they vote.

    Unfortunatly, the average IQ is 100 and that means there are many low intelligence citizens as there are high intelligence or perhaps 75% of the population is average or below average in intellect. Unless we can educate these people in the basic concepts of what is really in their best interests and how they can determine when and why they are being lied to and by whom things will never change. Unsophisticated people are very easily mislead and controlled and education at least leads to sophistication.

    Religion also plays a huge role in this. Religion(s) don't want educated, worldly thinkers, they want followers, easily fooled, easily manipulated to do the "work" of their leaders. Religion and politics go hand in hand they both prey on the uneducated, underinformed and easily fooled members of society for their power. There is a reason a Trumpy has all of a sudden become the darling of the religious right - he recognizes they are easy marks for his brand of control and all he has to do is repeat a few catch phrases "Make America great again", etc, etc and all the deep rooted ignorance they have been "blessed" with their whole life takes over and they become their (and our) worst enemies.

  • Independent
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    It is valid to conclude that Trump's hardcore base will never ever ever ever change their mind.

    As Trump pointed out himself, he could shoot someone outside of Trump Tower for no reason at all, and his hardcore base would still vote for him. Basically, it's impossible to sway everyone, so there is no point trying to win over ever single voter.

    However, there is just as many, if not more people who voted for Trump but are not "Loyal" to him. Those are the voters who may change their mind if they have not changed their mind already. Simply not having Hillary Clinton on the ticket will bring back many independent voters and Democratic voters who didn't care for her.

    I remain convinced Trump will be long gone by the 2020 campaign season and it will be Pence vs Democratic nominee. Trump will be forced out or resign. Bottomline, Trump hates being president and will continue to escalate his bad behavior until he does something extremely serious that require congresses to take action because they have no other option.

    BTW, I am going on the record he'll be the first president to publicly, and intentionally, say word "fuck" at a press conference, rally, or where ever. Watch, he will say it, and may go further than just saying "Fuck"

  • Center Left
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    I hope he's out as well but I doubt he will be. He's faced challenges but he frames it all as far as his presidency as success. I think he may not enjoy it but he's profiting all of the time. The biggest fight is boredom.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I'll take a wild stab at this and say the reason Dutch suggested educating people is because most of Trump's supporters are largely uneducated Podunk townspeople who probably barely finished high school, let alone even gave going to college a thought. It's been reported that the majority of voters who went for Bernie and Mrs. Clinton had some or more college educational backgrounds, so, there you have it.

    The question is, how do you educate someone whose lifelong ambition is to be a coal miner like their daddies? How do you get those headstrong ignoramuses into the classroom?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "The question is, how do you educate someone whose lifelong ambition is to be a coal miner like their daddies? How do you get those headstrong ignoramuses into the classroom?"

    Problem is our "education" has been about preparing people for jobs. There is always hanging over people's heads how you need an education to get ahead and naturally the more education a person gets the more focused it is on a job and income. The only value is more education more money. That automatically throws any social responsibility out the window. As a matter of fact "social responsibility" is not even a valid consideration. Winner take all is the model.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "I think he may not enjoy it but he's profiting all of the time."

    He is making the best out of a bad situation. For the first time in is life he has to listen to and answer subordinates. People in his old life that he could destroy financially. Now he "is" the apprentice being judged and challenged at every turn. I am thinking he hates it. He used to be the last word. Now he has to answer.

  • Independent
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    pr Wrote:

    For starters - education, particularly in the areas of history, morality, etc would help some of these people make the correct decision when they vote.

    Unfortunatly, the average IQ is 100 and that means there are many low intelligence citizens as there are high intelligence or perhaps 75% of the population is average or below average in intellect. Unless we can educate these people in the basic concepts of what is really in their best interests and how they can determine when and why they are being lied to and by whom things will never change. Unsophisticated people are very easily mislead and controlled and education at least leads to sophistication.

    Religion also plays a huge role in this. Religion(s) don't want educated, worldly thinkers, they want followers, easily fooled, easily manipulated to do the "work" of their leaders. Religion and politics go hand in hand they both prey on the uneducated, underinformed and easily fooled members of society for their power. There is a reason a Trumpy has all of a sudden become the darling of the religious right - he recognizes they are easy marks for his brand of control and all he has to do is repeat a few catch phrases "Make America great again", etc, etc and all the deep rooted ignorance they have been "blessed" with their whole life takes over and they become their (and our) worst enemies.

    P.R. I could not have said it any better; yes it is the uneducated masses who absolutely have no "norms" or "culture" to speak of, nor any knowledge of the world around them let alone of politics or economy.
  • Independent
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "The question is, how do you educate someone whose lifelong ambition is to be a coal miner like their daddies? How do you get those headstrong ignoramuses into the classroom?"

    Problem is our "education" has been about preparing people for jobs. There is always hanging over people's heads how you need an education to get ahead and naturally the more education a person gets the more focused it is on a job and income. The only value is more education more money. That automatically throws any social responsibility out the window. As a matter of fact "social responsibility" is not even a valid consideration. Winner take all is the model.

    Chet, I guess you don't seem to understand what I mean with education. Education should not be done as it is here. It should contain all the things to prepare you for the world as well analytic thinking and the "mental" issues with the society we live in. Just training to get a job, that does not make you an self thinking "reality" person. Army training nor the church educates you, like P.R, said; that is one of the major problems here.