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The Paris Climate Change Agreement

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Donald Trump's stand against on the Paris Climate Change Agreement is just difficult to understand. As per the Vox article:

    Vox: Quitting the Paris climate agreement would be a moral disgrace

    "No laid-off coal miners will get their jobs back if President Trump pulls the United States from the Paris accord on climate change. No extra oil rigs will sprout in the Gulf. There is no employment upside to an “America First” retreat from global leadership on one of the few issues that can accurately be described as a potentially existential threat to humankind.

    "There is only the profound immorality of abdication — of gleefully passing a mounting problem on to our children, and on to the poor."

    In looking at all the possible reasons for Trump to withdraw, I can only come up with one that makes sense. President Obama was largely instrumental in getting it agreed. His efforts have been widely recognized globally to get 190 countries to put their signatures behind it.

    And that folks is why Trump is against it. As Dutch said in another thread, Trump has committed himself to undo every accomplishment of the Obama administration. Why? Because he hates the guy and is doing it for spite. No other reason makes sense to me. He just can't be that dumb. But hate works wonders on the mind.

    My opinion...

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Donald Trump's stand against on the Paris Climate Change Agreement is just difficult to understand. As per the Vox article:

    Vox: Quitting the Paris climate agreement would be a moral disgrace

    "No laid-off coal miners will get their jobs back if President Trump pulls the United States from the Paris accord on climate change. No extra oil rigs will sprout in the Gulf. There is no employment upside to an “America First” retreat from global leadership on one of the few issues that can accurately be described as a potentially existential threat to humankind.

    "There is only the profound immorality of abdication — of gleefully passing a mounting problem on to our children, and on to the poor."

    In looking at all the possible reasons for Trump to withdraw, I can only come up with one that makes sense. President Obama was largely instrumental in getting it agreed. His efforts have been widely recognized globally to get 190 countries to put their signatures behind it.

    And that folks is why Trump is against it. As Dutch said in another thread, Trump has committed himself to undo every accomplishment of the Obama administration. Why? Because he hates the guy and is doing it for spite. No other reason makes sense to me. He just can't be that dumb. But hate works wonders on the mind.

    My opinion...

    I guess he also did listen to Norquist an total idiot who thinks it will reduce the impact "subsidies" (so that money can then be given to the 1%) and says China and India are building more coal fired plants . Let's power the White House with coal, sounds good to me.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: In looking at all the possible reasons for Trump to withdraw, I can only come up with one that makes sense. President Obama was largely instrumental in getting it agreed. His efforts have been widely recognized globally to get 190 countries to put their signatures behind it.

    And that folks is why Trump is against it. As Dutch said in another thread, Trump has committed himself to undo every accomplishment of the Obama administration. Why? Because he hates the guy and is doing it for spite. No other reason makes sense to me. He just can't be that dumb. But hate works wonders on the mind.

    My opinion...

    I agree 100 percent. Donald almost seems to have a pathological hatred of anything that has Obama's name on it.

    Who cares if he winds up killing the planet when he now has the power to undo years of sensitive negotiations conducted by the hated black President? What Donald doesn't realize is that this will only weaken his negotiating position on various things because the United States is now going to be seen as a country that can't be believed anymore. Donald may give his base of loyal followers a "win" (whatever that means) by pulling out of this agreement, but he just screwed over our country for decades or more because countries will no longer look at the United States as a good faith negotiating partner.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: In looking at all the possible reasons for Trump to withdraw, I can only come up with one that makes sense. President Obama was largely instrumental in getting it agreed. His efforts have been widely recognized globally to get 190 countries to put their signatures behind it.

    And that folks is why Trump is against it. As Dutch said in another thread, Trump has committed himself to undo every accomplishment of the Obama administration. Why? Because he hates the guy and is doing it for spite. No other reason makes sense to me. He just can't be that dumb. But hate works wonders on the mind.

    My opinion...

    I agree 100 percent. Donald almost seems to have a pathological hatred of anything that has Obama's name on it.

    Who cares if he winds up killing the planet when he now has the power to undo years of sensitive negotiations conducted by the hated black President? What Donald doesn't realize is that this will only weaken his negotiating position on various things because the United States is now going to be seen as a country that can't be believed anymore. Donald may give his base of loyal followers a "win" (whatever that means) by pulling out of this agreement, but he just screwed over our country for decades or more because countries will no longer look at the United States as a good faith negotiating partner.

    Yes Jared I fully agree with you this time; this indeed is the most stupid thing Trump did; he will not be allowed to negotiate anything about the Paris accord; the over 200 countries will stick to it because it is voluntary. The US lost its position in the world for sure. China has become the new leader. This will be the start of the downfall of the US , as Rome did. As I said Europe will flourish the US will get back into the 50's.

    Kerry and Obama said some very correct things, but who of the filthy butt crawlers in the GOP will admit the truth?

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    And that folks is why Trump is against it. As Dutch said in another thread, Trump has committed himself to undo every accomplishment of the Obama administration. Why? Because he hates the guy and is doing it for spite. No other reason makes sense to me. He just can't be that dumb. But hate works wonders on the mind.

    My opinion...

    Yes, Trump hates Obama and would love to wipe Obama's Name from the history books. It's frustrating to have a man as president that has the emotional development of child.

    Its also possible that his decision is influenced by the fact the Europeans don't care for him much, and it clear they don't respect him. He can't handle that kind of rejection, and I personally believe he doesn't' care what kind of negative impact it will have on our country, he's ticked off at Obama, and Europe, and he's decided to take his ball and go home with the perception that they will come back to him begging for his forgiveness.

    And, man, oh, man, that speech he gave was soooooo dark and depressing. It was painful to listen to. I had put my DVR on pause several times just to get through it. The way he talks about the US, its like we are living in the wasteland of a post-nuclear war, and their so little hope

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    Another motivating factor for Trump is $$$$$. Looking at it from Trump's perspective\mentality, he sees it as an opportunity to sell\trade (over valued) US "Climate Change" stock for something worth more $$$$ right now. If Trump Inc were in the energy business, such a solar energy, he would be promoting clean energy with the same gusto as he attempts to sells oil, coal, etc.

    I personally don't think Trump actually spends his day thinking about what is going to benefit him personally\professionally, he simply believes Trump Inc is a perfect model on how the US government should work and what the US should value, thus he perceives that what is good for Trump Inc (the past, present, future), will automatically be what is right for the country. He is frustrated that so few accept that (except his base), and the rest of us are just too stupid to see obviously brilliant he is. And he doesn't care if we understand what he says or does, he just wants us to accept that he is smarter\better than any other past president, especially Obama. His ego needs for every single person on the planet to accept that he is superior to Obama. If could revive the dead, he'd try to convince them too. :)

  • Independent
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    Here is neat thing to have; it works better than coal!

    https://www.facebook.com/CollectiveEvolutionPage/videos/10155079664358908/

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Wonder how much Exxon stock Donald acquired from his minion?