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    If anyone in America would like to know what kind of government we have today all they have to do it read Elizabeth Warren's new book "This Fight is Our Fight" since this book give a perfect description of a corrupt, lawless Oligarchy and there is every indication that this Oligarchy is the most corrupt in human history and one cannot hope to destroy this Oligarchy until the American people admit it is an Oligarchy.

    Since America is no longer a Republic there is no reason for states to remain in the Union. California should secede and establish its own Republic since this warmongering, corrupt, lawless Oligarchy in Washington DC intends to ignore California's laws and turn its National Parks, Wilderness areas, croplands and beaches into toxic waste dumps.

    Recently the EPA approved a deadly poisonous chemical to be used on America's crops and this toxic deadly chemical made California's field workers deathly ill and this is only the beginning of that rotten Oligarchy turning America into vast toxic wastelands because of its greed, corruption and stupidity.

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    If you took the money out of politics, you'd hear a giant sucking sound, and see an exodus of politicians leaving DC in droves, and what you'd end up with is a large amount of uneducated fools run the country.

    A 12' high electrified fence should be put around the nation's capital to keep lobbyists out.

    Some money, paid to elected officials is okay, but too much money going to them is bad, they become greedy.

    You need a college education to understand our laws, college costs money. After all, you don't want someone with only a high school education to head the department of state. The reason people attend college is to obtain a good paying job, and better themselves. Maybe term limits like a president has is the answer to greedy politicians? Oh, and once a politician leaves office, he or she shouldn't be allowed to lobby any lawmaker or representative for anything, no more bridges to nowhere. The reason a person should be a lawmaker or representative is to serve the people, not the other way around.

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    Connie Wrote:

    If anyone in America would like to know what kind of government we have today all they have to do it read Elizabeth Warren's new book "This Fight is Our Fight" since this book give a perfect description of a corrupt, lawless Oligarchy and there is every indication that this Oligarchy is the most corrupt in human history and one cannot hope to destroy this Oligarchy until the American people admit it is an Oligarchy.

    Since America is no longer a Republic there is no reason for states to remain in the Union. California should secede and establish its own Republic since this warmongering, corrupt, lawless Oligarchy in Washington DC intends to ignore California's laws and turn its National Parks, Wilderness areas, croplands and beaches into toxic waste dumps.

    Recently the EPA approved a deadly poisonous chemical to be used on America's crops and this toxic deadly chemical made California's field workers deathly ill and this is only the beginning of that rotten Oligarchy turning America into vast toxic wastelands because of its greed, corruption and stupidity.

    Yes Connie, indeed California is the only clear thinking State left; so they should be able to make their own laws also about chemicals etc. The Pruit guy is an absolute idiot who hates the EPA and the world, no wonder if you come from Oklahoma.
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    Connie Wrote: If anyone in America would like to know what kind of government we have today all they have to do it read Elizabeth Warren's new book "This Fight is Our Fight" since this book give a perfect description of a corrupt, lawless Oligarchy and there is every indication that this Oligarchy is the most corrupt in human history and one cannot hope to destroy this Oligarchy until the American people admit it is an Oligarchy.

    Ugh...It's so frustrating when people put words into other peoples mouths. I have read Senator Warrens book and never once did she use the word oligarchy. Not once!

    Connie Wrote: Since America is no longer a Republic there is no reason for states to remain in the Union. California should secede and establish its own Republic since this warmongering, corrupt, lawless Oligarchy in Washington DC intends to ignore California's laws and turn its National Parks, Wilderness areas, croplands and beaches into toxic waste dumps.

    Have we had a military coup that I missed?

    The way we elect a President is unique, but I'd hardly say that we are no longer a Republic because of it. That's a hard argument to make considering we've had the electoral college since the ratification of our Constitution in 1787. I want nothing more than to get rid of the electoral college and allow the popular vote winner to win the Presidency, but you lose me when you start talking about oligarchy's and other nonsense.


    What do you expect to happen if California secedes? Do you honestly believe that the federal government with thousands of nuclear warheads at their disposal will just stand by idly and allow it to happen?

    Have you ever studied what happened the last time states seceded from the union? Spoiler alert - it led to the deaths of over 620,000 people. And that was when the population of our entire country was smaller than the population of California today.

    So you might want to think twice about encouraging a state to secede. That is unless you long to see millions of people die in order to get your point across.

    Connie Wrote: Recently the EPA approved a deadly poisonous chemical to be used on America's crops and this toxic deadly chemical made California's field workers deathly ill and this is only the beginning of that rotten Oligarchy turning America into vast toxic wastelands because of its greed, corruption and stupidity.

    What in the world does an EPA rule have to do with an oligarchy ruling our country? Seriously. I try not to bash liberals, but this is just freaking crazy talk.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    First succession talk is ultra right wing. "United We Stand" is the answer and the answer in part to all such problems. I totally understand and agree with Connies General ideas. First Amendment robs us of everything a government should be.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I totally understand and agree with Connies General ideas.

    Talk like that is the reason Democrats continue to lose national elections.

    We do not live in a "lawless oligarchy" and we do not live in the most corrupt country in "human history." Statements like that belie the facts and show a complete and total ignorance of world history.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: First Amendment robs us of everything a government should be.

    The First Amendment allows you to criticize the government without fear of being labeled an enemy of the state. That is a hell of a lot better than being censored and possibly jailed for speaking your mind.

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    I thought this was fun. Many aren't fans of Trump draining every billable dollar where he has facilities. His conflicts won't be addressed because the only one with that much courage is.... that's right we have nobody.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I totally understand and agree with Connies General ideas.

    Talk like that is the reason Democrats continue to lose national elections.

    We do not live in a "lawless oligarchy" and we do not live in the most corrupt country in "human history." Statements like that belie the facts and show a complete and total ignorance of world history.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: First Amendment robs us of everything a government should be.

    The First Amendment allows you to criticize the government without fear of being labeled an enemy of the state. That is a hell of a lot better than being censored and possibly jailed for speaking your mind.

    Jared, I guess you refuse to see the "future" of this country; may be not an "oligarchy" but surely no longer an Democracy, more or less an "banana republic" . If we elect "liars in chief" who only wants to destroy everything Obama did then that is going to be the result, if you like it or not. Hopefully the "checks" and "balances" stay intact, but with Trump he will do everything to undo such. Certainly I don't see an "strong" DNC arising from the ashes, neither I see Trumps "base" dwindling, so it will be an uphill battle to correct things back to "normal". May be I'm negative, but this country is no longer "number one" but may end up in Trumps "swamp", like they said on the news an comparison with the Titanic is appropiate if the crew consists of hard headed GOP members.
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    "But even more alarming is how the Roberts Court has advanced this agenda—by contorting and perverting the First Amendment."***

    Government bought and paid forwhile over the years the Democratic Party has been incrementaling along neglecting USA people for sensational causes.

    *** thedailybeast.com/the-supreme-court-tur...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Democrats don't have to get nasty, just focus on the middle class and get down to business.
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, I guess you refuse to see the "future" of this country; may be not an "oligarchy" but surely no longer an Democracy, more or less an "banana republic" . If we elect "liars in chief" who only wants to destroy everything Obama did then that is going to be the result, if you like it or not.

    I'm no prophet, so I would never claim that I'm able to see the future.

    Connie claimed that Senator Elizabeth Warren validated her belief that the United States is a "corrupt, lawless Oligarchy" that is the most "corrupt [oligarchy] in human history." I called bullshit.

    Calling America a banana republic would make the management of the former United Fruit Company fall out of their chairs laughing. Do you understand the genesis of the term banana republic?

    And if we didn't want a liar in chief as our President then maybe voters in a handful of swing states shouldn't have stayed home or voted for someone who had zero chance of winning.

    Dutch Wrote: Hopefully the "checks" and "balances" stay intact, but with Trump he will do everything to undo such.

    I don't disagree that he will try, but this is what happens when people elect a wholly unqualified narcissistic sociopath to lead our country. Maybe some "Bernie or Bust" assholes should have thought about that before staying home last November.

    Dutch Wrote: Certainly I don't see an "strong" DNC arising from the ashes, neither I see Trumps "base" dwindling, so it will be an uphill battle to correct things back to "normal".

    The DNC isn't as weak as you're insisting it is. The Democrats problem is that too many of us live in the same states and we aren't spread out. Until our Constitution is changed, I can totally foresee election after election going for the popular vote loser. Is that the Democrats fault or the fault of our forefathers?

    Again - "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line." Trump's base won't erode because Republican voters firmly believe that any Republican is a million times better than even the best of Democrats. On the other hand, many Democrats are so firm in their beliefs that they will constantly vote against a Democrat because they aren't ideologically pure enough.

    If Democrats want to take over again then some on the fringe need to accept that they aren't going to get every single damn thing they want.

    Dutch Wrote: May be I'm negative, but this country is no longer "number one" but may end up in Trumps "swamp", like they said on the news an comparison with the Titanic is appropiate if the crew consists of hard headed GOP members.

    I'm not as competitive as I was when I swam in college, but I'd venture to say that we're still "number one," whatever that means. We are the first melting pot country in the history of the world. That has to say something about us, right?!?

    What it took to get there (slaughtering the Native Americans, slavery, etc.) is shameful and should never be overlooked, but I also feel that I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I can be for reparations for Native Americans and decedents of slaves while also loving my country and believing that we are (and still can be) a great country.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Democrats don't have to get nasty, just focus on the middle class and get down to business.
    Democrats focusing on the middle class would be a start, but voters need to lose bits and pieces of social security, Medicaid, Medicare, EBT, and a few other program cuts to realize, hey man! that's not what we wanted! American voters, at least some, need to be shown something bad that affects them before they wake up.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Jared, I guess you refuse to see the "future" of this country; may be not an "oligarchy" but surely no longer an Democracy, more or less an "banana republic" . If we elect "liars in chief" who only wants to destroy everything Obama did then that is going to be the result, if you like it or not.

    I'm no prophet, so I would never claim that I'm able to see the future.

    Connie claimed that Senator Elizabeth Warren validated her belief that the United States is a "corrupt, lawless Oligarchy" that is the most "corrupt [oligarchy] in human history." I called bullshit.

    Calling America a banana republic would make the management of the former United Fruit Company fall out of their chairs laughing. Do you understand the genesis of the term banana republic?

    And if we didn't want a liar in chief as our President then maybe voters in a handful of swing states shouldn't have stayed home or voted for someone who had zero chance of winning.

    Dutch Wrote: Hopefully the "checks" and "balances" stay intact, but with Trump he will do everything to undo such.

    I don't disagree that he will try, but this is what happens when people elect a wholly unqualified narcissistic sociopath to lead our country. Maybe some "Bernie or Bust" assholes should have thought about that before staying home last November.

    Dutch Wrote: Certainly I don't see an "strong" DNC arising from the ashes, neither I see Trumps "base" dwindling, so it will be an uphill battle to correct things back to "normal".

    The DNC isn't as weak as you're insisting it is. The Democrats problem is that too many of us live in the same states and we aren't spread out. Until our Constitution is changed, I can totally foresee election after election going for the popular vote loser. Is that the Democrats fault or the fault of our forefathers?

    Again - "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line." Trump's base won't erode because Republican voters firmly believe that any Republican is a million times better than even the best of Democrats. On the other hand, many Democrats are so firm in their beliefs that they will constantly vote against a Democrat because they aren't ideologically pure enough.

    If Democrats want to take over again then some on the fringe need to accept that they aren't going to get every single damn thing they want.

    Dutch Wrote: May be I'm negative, but this country is no longer "number one" but may end up in Trumps "swamp", like they said on the news an comparison with the Titanic is appropiate if the crew consists of hard headed GOP members.

    I'm not as competitive as I was when I swam in college, but I'd venture to say that we're still "number one," whatever that means. We are the first melting pot country in the history of the world. That has to say something about us, right?!?

    What it took to get there (slaughtering the Native Americans, slavery, etc.) is shameful and should never be overlooked, but I also feel that I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I can be for reparations for Native Americans and decedents of slaves while also loving my country and believing that we are (and still can be) a great country.

    Please ask Schmidt what an banana republic is; he worked in one!!! Just an question; why are you defending everything here? While the whole world is laughing at us; I read most of the European news papers which indeed think this country is an other Rome. Are you that indoctrinated? Just for the fun of it; put all things which Trump said/did/screwed up/lied etc.in one big cartoon then indeed we have become the "nuthouse" of the world. Yes number one in "stupidity"
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    The U.S. Is Number One -- But in What?

    The country is tops when it comes to violence and weapons exports but ranks low in healthcare and education.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    The U.S. Is Number One -- But in What?

    The country is tops when it comes to violence and weapons exports but ranks low in healthcare and education.

    Well said Chet! I like to add also "number one" in pleasing the rich instead of the poor.