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Saudi's Royal Welcome to Trump

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    TrumpNew York Times, May 18, 2017: Saudi Arabia, Ignoring Trump’s Slights, Will Give Him a Royal Welcome

    Saudi Arabia is going all out for Trump's visit giving him the red carpet treatment. They have invited 37 heads of state and at least six prime ministers to an “Arab Islamic American Summit”. Absent from the list are Iran's and Syria's leaders.

    Along with King Salman, Trump will inaugurate and give a speech about Islam at the Global Center for Combating Extremist Ideology. Trump will also deliver the keynote address at a conference about social media.

    An international counterterrorism conference is planned, also a forum for chief executives, an art exhibition inside the Royal Court and a concert featuring the American country musician Toby Keith.

    As the NYT notes, "The number of events scheduled throughout the Saudi capital, Riyadh, on Saturday and Sunday is staggering, as the Saudis seek to project their country as a dynamic place, a leader in the Arab and Islamic worlds and a close ally of the United States. The Stars and Stripes are flying in Riyadh’s streets, intermixed with Saudi flags."

    My opinion is that the Saudi's know how to play to Trump's big ego. Not only all the fanfare about Trump, but also a message of "anti-Obama". “Any new president has to be better than President Obama, because no one was worse for us than Obama,” said Salman al-Dossary, a writer for the Saudi-owned newspaper Asharq al-Awsat.

    How can Trump ignore that...they pretend to love him and they hate Obama.

    I can pretty well guess that the Saudis will get everything they want from Trump out of this visit. And Trump will be beaming from all the adulation. Kind of sick.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yawn.....in a country where women are considered as second or no class citizens, Trump should drop smart bombs there, kill all the dominant male hierarchy, and take their oil from them.
  • Independent
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    Kussner is helping selling them billions in weapons; who is getting all the "kickbacks"? Let alone all the "property"/ buildings/golfcourses/etc. of Trump in that area. Lots of these "leaders" have Russian contacts as well ; thus fit right in with Trump and his cronies.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes many in the media are highlighting the $110 billion arms deal that Kushner supposedly negotiated on his own...even making a call to the head of Lockheed Martin in the middle of the negotiations to ask for a discount on the missile defense system. Like "what a deal maker...just like his father-in-law". Wow.

    However, as the NYT pointed out, much of the $110 billion deal was really a carryover of prior deals with the Obama administration, the last of which was a $115 billion deal.

    America has always supplied arms to Saudi Arabia regardless of who is president. It's a big business for American military contractors. Obama seemed to downplay the deals. Nothing worth making headlines, especially for the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. With the Trump team it's a different story. Just watch how Trump blows his trumpet on the really big deal for American workers.

    It's all about the messaging.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Sure the $110 billion arms deal will be highlighted as a win for Trump, although much of it was already in place with the Obama administration who kept these deals low key. The real reason for the pomp and ceremony is that the Saudis hated Obama for his Iran nuclear deal and for not protecting Mubarak in Egypt. Plus Obama put restrictions on the Saudis on use of the arms against Yemen. With Trump it will be "look away" as the Saudis practice genocidal actions in Yemen.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: Sure the $110 billion arms deal will be highlighted as a win for Trump, although much of it was already in place with the Obama administration who kept these deals low key. The real reason for the pomp and ceremony is that the Saudis hated Obama for his Iran nuclear deal and for not protecting Mubarak in Egypt. Plus Obama put restrictions on the Saudis on use of the arms against Yemen. With Trump it will be "look away" as the Saudis practice genocidal actions in Yemen.
    Yes Schmidt; he loves dictatorships and wants to be King
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I can pretty well guess that the Saudis will get everything they want from Trump out of this visit. And Trump will be beaming from all the adulation. Kind of sick.

    yep, his ego is akin to hardcore heroin addict who will do\say anything to get his fix. Maybe slightly overstated, but not by much. He gets a massive rush from being adored, and will likely sign pretty much they put in front of him, and imagine them calling him King Trump or His Majesty, with the explanation that such references are specific to their cultural and it just means they consider him King of the US. "We admire your work, King Trump!", "Dinner is ready Your Majesty"

    He is likely to come back with many signed agreements that gives away the entire farm, so to speak. Not only deals that democrats don't like, but likely deals Republicans hate even more the democrats.

    "Holy shit! You agreed to give nuclear weapons to every single country you visited"

    "They asked, and it would have been rude to say no. Should have I have said 'no?' after they made me the official honorary Lord and Cheif. Nobody else has ever been a Lord and Chief in their country, so I am the first one ever! I even have a plaque with my name on it to prove it!".

  • Independent
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    I saw this morning the speech Trump gave there. I was not impressed. First all "slimy" talk then the stupid part came, stating that he would not meddle in the world and that he would not "DICTATE" what people should do; then he started "DICTATING" and insulting Iran. I guess he has no clue whatsoever (neither the speech writer) on how the Arabic world thinks and acts. The most stupid thing he did to say on the end : "God bless America" thus not the Arabian area where he was an guest; they probably loved that one. Shaking my head in unbelief. Just selling weapons sure helps peace; what a joke.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Nice juicy arms deal for the Saudi's, what have they done, and what are they doing for us regarding terrorists?

    "The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. Fifteen of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia,"

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_...

    We give them lucrative arms deals, and they still shit on their women, and could care less about Americans being attacked, Saudi Arabia must be a shitty country to live in.

    Okay, so what did they buy from Boeing and other defense corporations? What will they do actively to prevent their citizens from infiltrating America and causing great pain and heartache for Americans?

    I liked it when they hated Obama. Donald can stick that gold medal where the sun doesn't shine.

  • Liberal
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    I would like to know who really is writing what he is reading. Certainly not a Trumpy he isn't that intelligent. He speaks as if he is reading cue cards or simply repeating what "someone" told him he should say. He is nothing more than a psychologically damaged nut case acting out a role to the best of his ability (and not very good at it).
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I can certainly understand how the USA is "wedded" to Saudi Arabia, but I hate it, and hate the whole hypocrisy of how we pretend to be allies. Saudis wants our military toys and we want their oil. That's about the only thing we have to keep us tied together at the hip. They have nothing culturally to share with the world other than being the country of Mecca and Medina for Muslims. Their country is void of intellectualism...nada. Nothing. Modernization or evolution of their religious practices has been squashed ever since the ban on ijtihad, or critical thinking, a punishable form of blasphemy implemented in the parts of the Muslim world including Saudi Arabia in the 10th Century.

    When it comes to the various denominations and sects of Islam, the Saudi's practice and export of extreme version of Sunni Islam called "Wahhabism" or more technically "Salafism" is contrary to every norm of the civilized world. The treatment of women, the beheadings, the public lashings, the absolute power of the monarchy is against everything that we preach about democracy in the world. It is an iron fisted autocracy that squashes all protest and dissent. You'll find a more liberal society in North Korea than you'll find living as a citizen in Saudi Arabia...unless you are a member of the ruling class.

    And certainly you'll find a more acceptable form of Islam in the Shia of Iran.

    The true roots of ISIS ideology lie with the Saudi's export of Wahhabism in Saudi funded madrassas throughout the Muslim world. What they teach in these madrassas is hate against the "other"...people of other faiths but also Shia. And of course westerners, especially Americans. The ISIS ideology is an extreme form of Wahhabism. However, without the teachings of Wahhabism throughout the Muslim world, it is debatable whether ISIS ideology could be so successful in taking up roots in Iraq and Syria.

    I also agree that America's thirst for oil and intervention in the Middle East is a big factor in the rise of ISIS, but if we are to start defeating ISIS in a big way, the teaching of hate in the Saudi sponsored madrassas would be a first step. I doubt that even came up in the discussions with Trump. It was a contentious point with Obama in dealing with the Saudis and one of the reasons that they didn't like Obama. Plus Obama attached strings to the military toys they delivered to the Saudis...no bombing the shit out of Yemen. Oh and Obama also was seeking appeasement towards Iran trying to bring them out of isolation and to become a contributing member to the Islamic and world community, like they were before the CIA intervened in Operation Ajax to steal their oil.

    My view is that Americans have much more in common with the Iranians and their culture than the Saudis.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Vanity Fair: Donald Trump Dances to Saudi Arabia’s Tune

    The Art of the Deal is in the eyes of the beholder. The Saudis got just about everything they wanted that Obama would not give them. What did Trump get in return? He got serenaded by King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud.

    Trump went away feeling triumphant...another win to boast about.

  • Independent
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    Yes, both your "threads" are right on. Please tell me what is wrong with this country? And how we can change it? I'm out of here and working at it.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Not to keep beating on this topic, but as the Hill reported last November after the election, Trump registered eight companies with ties to hotel interests in Saudi Arabia.

    During a rally on August 21, the day Trump created four of those companies, he said he gets along well with Saudi Arabia.

    "They buy apartments from me," Trump said during the Alabama rally. "They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”

    In January of this year, Trump said on Fox News he "would want to protect Saudi Arabia.

    So it's not hard to see why Trump wants to have good relations with Saudi Arabia. It's all about the money...his money.