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  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote:

    Very good article by GQ with Keith Olbermann. He thinks Trumps days are numbered. The crazy mad conman may be in deep waters.

    gq.com/story/keith-olbermann-my-work-is...

    T.J. good story; let's hope it works.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Olbermann makes some good points, but I don't think the Republican Party will allow impeachment proceedings for two reasons: 1) Trump's ability to control the messaging, and 2) Trump's solid base.

    Trump is a fighter, and somehow he always hogs the media not allowing his opponents to get their points across. And president being outrageous seems to work in his favor as far as the media and his base is concerned. Not much has changed since the campaign.

    If the establishment Republicans pull the plug on Trump, they could lose a big chunk of Trump's base who revere him like a messiah. They need those votes, especially the religious right that votes passionately.

    It's the same scenario Lyndon Johnson faced in 1963 when he passed the civil rights bill and lost that pesky southern coalition forever. Furthermore, I do not believe they will trade Trump for Mike Pence. In any case, Pence could also be facing charges.

    If they want to get rid of Trump they will allow him to "gracefully" finish his term no matter what charges Mueller might find against him.

    However, I do think Democrats stand a chance of winning back the House in 2018 if their candidates can get a hold of the messaging. It will be very tough though.

    My opinion...

  • Independent
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    Schmidt, I agree with a lot of what you wrote in regards to elected republicans. It important observation that their reaction to trump more as an Autarch than an elected president. They fear him, they do not respect him, they do not like him, they hate what he is doing their party, and hate what his doing to the country, and most of all they are extremely afraid of what he is going to do next. He is King Jeffery in the Game Of Thrones.

    Given all this, it shows how deep\strong their fear is of trump, which also suggests how quickly\easily they will turn on him. There is no loyalty or anything beyond fear that keeps them in line.

    ...back to listening to relaxing music on Pandora. :)

  • Independent
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    Trump knew that Flynn lied to FBI

    Q1: What are the implications of trump knowing Flynn lied?

    Q2: Did trump tell FBI months ago, or is the FBI just hearing about it from trump's tweet?

    Q3: Is the president required to inform the justice system if any of his staff commits a crime. In the business world, people are fired all the time for committing crimes, but not all crimes are reported for business reasons.

    EDIT: WH is now reporting that trump's personal attorney wrote the tweet, not trump.

    Q4: What if trump later claims that other implicating tweets were not written by him. Something like "I wrote most of the tweets, but some tweets were written by others, and didn't read them"

  • Center Left
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    Thumbs up on the link. Really crazy from the roots up. This whole mess frustrates most. Our best hope is that we gain in the midterms and offer a strong candidate in 2020.

    The unhappy citizens will help our cause. Hopefully we offer far more than - We are not them - Obviously we have web address for the party but no strong message reaching social media. It's not the informative post or clever Meme on Facebook that matters. It's the dozens of conversations that follow those between friends, family, coworkers, and neighbors that set a message foundation. I believe we don't effectively get a message into the garage conversations between neighbors while they're drinking a beer in the evening. We hold the minority title proudly. We should aggressively learn to reach the people. We should actively make the statement and reach out to citizens in every format.

    Forgive my frustration.

  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote:

    Thumbs up on the link. Really crazy from the roots up. This whole mess frustrates most. Our best hope is that we gain in the midterms and offer a strong candidate in 2020.

    The unhappy citizens will help our cause. Hopefully we offer far more than - We are not them - Obviously we have web address for the party but no strong message reaching social media. It's not the informative post or clever Meme on Facebook that matters. It's the dozens of conversations that follow those between friends, family, coworkers, and neighbors that set a message foundation. I believe we don't effectively get a message into the garage conversations between neighbors while they're drinking a beer in the evening. We hold the minority title proudly. We should aggressively learn to reach the people. We should actively make the statement and reach out to citizens in every format.

    Forgive my frustration.

    I forgive your frustrations! Sorry to say, I'm no longer frustrated, only very disappointed in the "brains" in this country. By the way how are you going to convince "hardcore" Trump supporters? Even the "congress" has no backbone; so how do you fight this?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    The Atlantic: The Odds of Impeachment Are Dropping

    As the article states, the impeachment is less a legal process than a political one. Today that would require all Democrats and 22 Republicans in the House to vote yes on impeachment. Not likely in today's political climate. While a majority of the House might vote for impeachment if the Dems retake the House in 2018, the chances of then getting two-thirds of the Senate to ratify the impeachment is getting slimmer every day.

    The reason is simple: Republicans vote with their tribes. Just look at how they voted on Tax Reform despite overwhelming public opinion against. Republicans will weather the Trump presidency rather than being seen turning on a fellow Republican. And that includes Mitch McConnell.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    The Atlantic: The Odds of Impeachment Are Dropping

    As the article states, the impeachment is less a legal process than a political one. Today that would require all Democrats and 22 Republicans in the House to vote yes on impeachment. Not likely in today's political climate. While a majority of the House might vote for impeachment if the Dems retake the House in 2018, the chances of then getting two-thirds of the Senate to ratify the impeachment is getting slimmer every day.

    The reason is simple: Republicans vote with their tribes. Just look at how they voted on Tax Reform despite overwhelming public opinion against. Republicans will weather the Trump presidency rather than being seen turning on a fellow Republican. And that includes Mitch McConnell.

    Its mainly because they have the majority numbers. Once they become a minority in house\senate, they will turn on trump and each other. They will never back him,the best trump can get is fear based passive submission. Other than his hardcore base, nobody respects him, nor think is wise\smart\ethical\etc.

    Where I live, which I think is representative of a majority of republicans through our country, they don't consider trump a republican as they see themselves, and would not vote for him again unless HC were to get the nomination again. Example, Joe Biden would get a vast majority of republican votes in the state of Washington if he were to run against trump.

    With that said, I am not yet convinced that trump is going to make through 2019. He's getting worse and worse, not stabilizing; our country will get to a breaking point that will force him from office. Collectively as country, we do have a breaking point, it just not clear where it is at.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd Wrote: Its mainly because they have the majority numbers. Once they become a minority in house\senate, they will turn on trump and each other. They will never back him,the best trump can get is fear based passive submission. Other than his hardcore base, nobody respects him, nor think is wise\smart\ethical\etc.

    I don't want to burst your bubble, but the Senate map is truly abysmal for Democrats in 2018. Like nearly impossible abysmal. Twenty-three Democrats and two Independents that caucus with the Democrats are up for reelection while only eight Republicans are up for reelection. It's true that Corker and Flake are retiring, but we shouldn't get our hopes up in either of those races because they both reside in deeply red states.

    If that weren't bad enough, ten Democratic Senators are up for reelection in states that Donald won.

    2018 has the potential to be a good year for us in the House, but Democrats decision to sit out the 2010 election may very well come back to bite us in the ass even if Democrats show up in droves. I'd be shocked if Democrats retake control of the House, but I'm done making predictions after Donald's victory.

    2018 has the potential to be catastrophic for us in the Senate. It's going to take a monumental get out the vote effort on the Democrats part in order for the party to keep the Senate close and it's going to take a damn miracle for Democrats to not just win the twenty-five seats up for reelection, but to win three seats held in safely Republican states in order to retake the majority.

    I'd rather head to Vegas and bet all of my savings at the roulette table than predict that Democrats will retake the Senate in 2018.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yesterday, trump praised former general Kelly, his liar, now, if he spills his guts to Mueller and implicates trump in a cover up, that'll change, trump will act like a rabid dog that's been wounded and take to twitter to pull Kelly down into the sewer like he has tried to do with others who went against him.
  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    wwjd Wrote: Its mainly because they have the majority numbers. Once they become a minority in house\senate, they will turn on trump and each other. They will never back him,the best trump can get is fear based passive submission. Other than his hardcore base, nobody respects him, nor think is wise\smart\ethical\etc.

    I don't want to burst your bubble, but the Senate map is truly abysmal for Democrats in 2018. Like nearly impossible abysmal. Twenty-three Democrats and two Independents that caucus with the Democrats are up for reelection while only eight Republicans are up for reelection. It's true that Corker and Flake are retiring, but we shouldn't get our hopes up in either of those races because they both reside in deeply red states.

    If that weren't bad enough, ten Democratic Senators are up for reelection in states that Donald won.

    2018 has the potential to be a good year for us in the House, but Democrats decision to sit out the 2010 election may very well come back to bite us in the ass even if Democrats show up in droves. I'd be shocked if Democrats retake control of the House, but I'm done making predictions after Donald's victory.

    2018 has the potential to be catastrophic for us in the Senate. It's going to take a monumental get out the vote effort on the Democrats part in order for the party to keep the Senate close and it's going to take a damn miracle for Democrats to not just win the twenty-five seats up for reelection, but to win three seats held in safely Republican states in order to retake the majority.

    I'd rather head to Vegas and bet all of my savings at the roulette table than predict that Democrats will retake the Senate in 2018.

    We just see things very differently. My perspective is more optimist because you suggest voters who are unhappy with trump politics (lying, intimidation, tolerance for illegal activities, tolerance for racism, tolerance for sexual harassment,etc), feel defeated to the point of saying privately to ourselves "There no point to vote because trump has already won". One thing for sure, trump did not get elected by having voters behind him that felt that way when the numbers were looking like HC was going to steamroll over him in a national election.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    S.C. Mueller subpoenas Trump & family accounts-records from Deutsche Bank.

    reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-deutsc...

    Hmmm, looks like Mueller IS following the money trail, it probably leads to Trump's doorstep at the white house.

  • Independent
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    Dockadams Wrote:

    S.C. Mueller subpoenas Trump & family accounts-records from Deutsche Bank.

    reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-deutsc...

    Hmmm, looks like Mueller IS following the money trail, it probably leads to Trump's doorstep at the white house.

    Again as usual a bit late; in the Dutch Zembla documentary over Trump and his family made last year, Deutsche Bank was mentioned as the money source for Trump; he owes them billions as well may have been an go between that company to launder Russian money. This document shows the dealing and wheeling of the Trump family , including Kussner's dealing in diamonds from Angola. My wife asked NBC to publish this, but no reaction; also I question if Mueller has it; that would have saved him lots of time and research.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:

    S.C. Mueller subpoenas Trump & family accounts-records from Deutsche Bank.

    reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-deutsc...

    Hmmm, looks like Mueller IS following the money trail, it probably leads to Trump's doorstep at the white house.

    Again as usual a bit late; in the Dutch Zembla documentary over Trump and his family made last year, Deutsche Bank was mentioned as the money source for Trump; he owes them billions as well may have been an go between that company to launder Russian money. This document shows the dealing and wheeling of the Trump family , including Kussner's dealing in diamonds from Angola. My wife asked NBC to publish this, but no reaction; also I question if Mueller has it; that would have saved him lots of time and research.

    Isn't Mueller charging Manafort with money laundering? justice.gov/file/1007271/download

    Manafort joined Trump's campaign in March 2016.

    I'm thinking more indictments are coming, Kushner, Trump Jr., and some others who knew about money laundering. A pack of criminals. I hope trump keeps incriminating himself with his tweets.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Trump Jr. refusing to answer questions in the congressional inquiry,

    should be charged with obstruction and contempt.

    washingtonpost.com/video/politics/schif...